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Apple Announces Plans to Establish iOS App Design and Development Accelerator in India
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That's only for the youngest recruits and has nothing to do with claims of a so-called engineer shortage.
As the article points out, there are tons of older more experienced engineers available in the US. It's just cheaper to hire kids instead. Which is penny wise and pound foolish, because then everything takes longer and costs more in the end.
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On a semi-related note, one misleading notion I often see repeated is Cook's handwaving comment about needing to build things in China because of not enough industrial engineers in the US. Nonsense.
First off, when Cook said, "You can take every tool and die maker in the United States and probably put them in a room that we're currently sitting in. In China, you would have to have multiple football fields.", he was either being sly or ignorant. Yes, there are about 5,000 COMPANIES in the US which might fit in that room. But the 50,000+ engineers themselves in the US would take 8 to 11 football fields.
More importantly, there's no need for lots of extra tool & die makers in the US because most manufacturing in the US is automated now. We don't need an engineer to design every one of a hundred manual workstations, like you do in China where cheap industrial engineers and cheap manual labor replaces computers and automation.
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But that is not the truth Bro. There is lot of success I have seen collaborating with Indian talent. It might be on a case to case basis
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There is still a lot of salary difference between tech workers of both the countries and there is lot of cost advantage for the companies. India has an unrivaled youth demographic 65% of its population is 35 or under, and half the country's population of 1.25 billion people is under 25 years of age and majority of them are unemployed and can work for low cost so engineering salaries can never go up in India at the rate you have projected. Companies will always look for enthusiastic and youthful workforce this is where India outpaces other nations.
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Show me a company in the world which does not work for profits.
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We will never have customizable Macs in the manner of which you're hoping, and that's fine with me.
Yes Tim flew to India and Apple started posting press releases because they were afraid you were not impressed by his trip to China. That must be what is happening.When China doesn't play along, shift focus to the next best thing... Oh Apple
Sorry, you got me wrong.
In India, they can't even choose how much ram they'd want, nor upgrade the processor or ssd drives.
It's usually a preset condition to choose from when they buy, so one doesn't get that little customisation.
The problem becomes worse now as its all glued down.
At least when I purchased my MacBook Pro, I was able to buy a top end processor (still had just 8Gb ram) but was able to upgrade the inner specs myself with 16GB ram and a 500GB SSD when I was living in London.
They all work for profit, though some take pride in making thier goods local and contributing to the surrounding community. The question is , how much you want to penny pinch and maximise profit.
So do you want american companies to stop exporting? Just manufacture goods locally and sell with in America? Do you know how much an Iphone cost if manufactured in America? Apple is pricing iphone at $650 if manufactured in China ($1-$3 per hour)and the same Iphone if manufactured in US($10-$15 per hour if at all they can find labor in US at that cost) it will cost around $4000 and will not able to market the product beyond US. With the kind of approach you posted no company can grow beyond US.
Apple is selling phones all over the world and making profits so you guys are fine if they manufacture in US and sell everywhere in world but do not provide jobs to them? Companies are trying to retain jobs in US by employing workers from various countries so that they can sell products all over world as well help US economy. I think you know that workers who work in US have to pay their taxes in US. You cannot be a protectionist and grow. American market is saturated for the companies to grow.
American companies cannot effort to loose the business of more than 2.5 billion people.
All humans belong to a single community dude.
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An iPhone made in the US could be sold at $650, the profit would be lower. You missed my point . It's not being able to make a profit, it's how much you can maximise your profit
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No Sir it is not possible it will definitely costs more. Minimum wage here in US is $10 - $15. Do you think you can hire a tech worker for $10 -$15? Companies have to maximize profits and has to sell more products they do not have an option. Apple's share value collapsed after posting its latest quarterly results is the best example for that.
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So your logic is to not employ people in China, and also not employ people in the US (since your answer is to automate). Basically, Apple should work hard to not employ people. Congrats. Now the people in China that were making IPhones don't have money and the people in the US still don't. You have made more people's lives worse.
Given something far more complex such as a Mac Pro went up just 18% by moving manufacturing to US, and keeping the profit margin.....I'm sure there is room.
Apple share value went down cause sales are down, nothing to do where the product is made, it's cause the price is high and innovation is lacking. Share price will keep dropping unless apple kicks starts some innovative products and can convience Wall Street they are doing something other than new paint jobs and slight changes to existing products....and some new watch bands
Mac Pro as a total product is not manufactured in US. Just we have an assembly line that is the primary reason cost went up by just 18%. If the total components are manufactured here in US it will be very expensive. What is the market share of Mac Pro worldwide? I think most of the sales of Mac Pro are in US so it makes sense to assemble or manufacture here.
Read this
http://www.cnet.com/news/a-us-made-mac-pro-is-a-token-gesture/
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Automation does not mean a factory has no employees at all.
Automation does mean there's less need to hire tons of super cheap labor.
As for jobs in China, Foxconn itself is planning to replace many/most of its workers with robots.
You're still lowering the number of people employed for the sheer purpose of nationalism. There's no other reason for it.
And when Foxconn does it themselves? Who are they doing it for?
Be dramatic all you want, but the number of people employed in manufacturing, whether it be toothpaste tubes, automobiles, or smartphones, will continue to drop.
All I'm saying is, Cook's talk about a lack of American tool&die or industrial engineers, was just misdirection.
To be honest , the Mac Pro is a dead product line, I expect to to be discontinued , and yes it was PR stunt to have it build in us.
look, TC is awful for innovation , but has an hawk eye for penny pinching and maximising profit, if he can find a place cheaper than China to make Apple products he will do so. Though he will pretend he cares so much about China as he recognises they buy lots of Apple products .
Yes and no. Technically, we would have to build out our stuff and we would have to get even the base level of people to do that. I'm not sure we have a huge number of people who would drop their jobs just to work for Apple. As for what it is when Foxconn does it? Greed. But at least they're not pretending it's anything but making more money.
Sorry but this is completely inaccurate. The tech industry as a whole is understaffed by over 100,000 engineers.
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I actually have worked in places that have outsourced positions and it certainly has its caveats. From your experience, it sounds like you have worked at companies with poor leadership that don't understand how to leverage offshore successfully. I would never attempt to use offshore to replace talented engineers here for a number of reasons. There are cases where if you have well-defined worked and good communication you can use offshore to supplement your engineering effort. You are also incorrect is stating that there is plenty of talent available in the US. The world as a whole is lacking the talent needed to solve the problems we need to solve. It is extremely hard to find and retain talented engineers in this market. Hence why engineering salaries are some of the highest out of college. People getting 100k positions out of school should be enough to tell you that the shortage is a reality.
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I'd give up on the argument, and I'm really going to stop responding myself. He won't budge on the idea that the US has all the resources needed to do everything. Nationalism is a hard drug to quit.
Not entirely accurate. Per department of labor rules and regulations the H1B visa salary has to be 'in range' of its American equivalent; to protect American talent. What you are missing though is that the reason programs like H1B exist, is that some true talent does get imported from overseas, sometimes.
Most folks who oppose H1B are mediocre entitled 'IT' folks who just graduated college and want a $200K job that gives them a 30 hr work week and great lifestyle; or the other extreme; ancient 'IT' folks with 20+ clock-in-clock-out job, no desire or drive to evolve, and they wonder why they've been replaced by foreign talent.