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Yeah, the convex shape probably wouldn't work. But there's no specific need for that, just a deeper rectangular shape would be ok.

I do hope there is a different design for the larger one... seems more likely that there won't be, but I hold out hope!
I hope the different design for the larger iMac ditches all-in-ones for a separate computer and display, with batteries to work through a power outage or take to the patio, with just one usb c cable to hook up (or how soon until a wireless connection?).
 
I hope the different design for the larger iMac ditches all-in-ones for a separate computer and display, with batteries to work through a power outage or take to the patio, with just one usb c cable to hook up (or how soon until a wireless connection?).

A portable 27” iMac to carry around? I have my doubts. One could hope for less chin again but since that has been deemed the iconic design element I guess we’ll have to stare at its ugliness with that product as well.
Non reflective bezels and displays would be a start but we’ll see.
 
OK, I've had a quick and simple stab and what *I* think they should've done :)

Sure, keep the colours, no problem. Keep the same colours even, just make sure they're ether bold or pastel, not both. Extend the colour around the whole frame and match the stand. Maybe taper the stand slightly, optional extra.

As for the side, I don't care at all. But here it's twice as thick at the bottom. If it has to be thicker still, so be it. I've never once looked at the side of mine.

(This isn't all the colours, btw, just some. I did orange too, looks really nice. Oh, and I added dark grey).

We can have a poll now :)


To use a word that's been thrown around a lot in this thread: those mock-ups look UGLY.
 
All of you complaining about the chin ... aside from the fact that it may or may not be necessary from a technical standpoint (which I do think it is, even if some on here with no engineering degree claim otherwise on the basis that the iPad has no chin)... do tell me, which one is an iMac?

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Signature looks are kind of an important thing and Apple's always done a tremendous job at that. Doesn't mean everything always appeals to everyone's taste, but you can't deny they're really rocking that particular game (think white iPod earphones for example)
 
All of you complaining about the chin ... aside from the fact that it may or may not be necessary from a technical standpoint (which I do think it is, even if some on here with no engineering degree claim otherwise on the basis that the iPad has no chin)... do tell me, which one is an iMac?

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Signature looks are kind of an important thing and Apple's always done a tremendous job at that. Doesn't mean everything always appeals to everyone's taste, but you can't deny they're really rocking that particular game (think white iPod earphones for example)
I was think along those lines. Without the chin it just looks like a giant iPad on a stand.
 
I was think along those lines. Without the chin it just looks like a giant iPad on a stand.
This is where I think they missed a great opportunity with this iMac to bring some merging of the products lines.

With the M1 and being able to run iOS apps on MacOS, why not make a converged device? Something that can easily be docked into the stand to use as your iMAC, but pick up and go like an iPAD. Apple has the tech. They now have the OS.

But for some reason their aversion to even trying touch on anything but the i-devices seems to really be holding them back from trying new things.
 
some merging of the products lines.

With the M1 and being able to run iOS apps on MacOS, why not make a converged device? Something that can easily be docked into the stand to use as your iMAC, but pick up and go like an iPAD.

But for some reason their aversion to even trying touch on anything but the i-devices seems to really be holding them back from trying new things.

I keep seeing people asking for something like this. There's just something that a lot of people don't seem to realize:

Current iPads, especially the Pro, are mighty powerful machines and they are fully capable of being the only computer for a LOT of people. Especially those that merely email/write and check the internet for a living as well as many in the creative/artistic fields.

But there just are things you cannot (yet?) do on a mobile OS. There are people who actually need a dedicated desktop OS. The previously mentioned folks may not be aware, but Macs are for example widely used in the Sciences and they have very different software/computing needs.

Just because both devices come with an M1 chip does it mean they can actually do the same things. Why exactly are there no fans in the iPad but in the iMac?

iPads exist for a specific use case. And they are designed for that.
Macs exist for a specific use case. And they are designed for that.
And they aren't actually mutually interchangeable, but often perfectly do complement each other.

I don't know why people always want to merge things to make *one* device that can do a lot but will not be able to do *everything* or just do it 'so so' because there inherently will be compromises. Specializations exist for a reason because they are *really* good at doing what they're designed for instead of doing average on a merge level. Average will be enough for some, maybe even most, people, but it will not be enough for others. And not everyone needs or can afford a fullblown Mac Pro.

For the same reason it doesn't make sense to actually make a touch iMac or Macbook. Just because other companies have done it in the past means it's actually sensible. It's a cool gimmick. People who only occasionally use their computer may use it. But people who actually spend hours among hours working on their computers will not use it. (I've had family members with touch laptops, so this isn't a hypothetical).

Instead of trying to make a "one fit all" device, make separate devices , keep those simple, but as a result be able to make sure that what they can do they can do excellently.
 
I keep seeing people asking for something like this. There's just something that a lot of people don't seem to realize:



For the same reason it doesn't make sense to actually make a touch iMac or Macbook. Just because other companies have done it in the past means it's actually sensible. It's a cool gimmick. People who only occasionally use their computer may use it. But people who actually spend hours among hours working on their computers will not use it. (I've had family members with touch laptops, so this isn't a hypothetical).

Instead of trying to make a "one fit all" device, make separate devices , keep those simple, but as a result be able to make sure that what they can do they can do excellently.

you spent a lot of words to say nothing and actually provide zero real reason why what I was recommending isn't possible.

first:
Current iPads, especially the Pro, are mighty powerful machines and they are fully capable of being the only computer for a LOT of people. Especially those that merely email/write and check the internet for a living as well as many in the creative/artistic fields.


You're right. the iPads are (especially the new Pro's with M1) as powerful as the new iMac with M1. essentially, there's very little difference now in the hardware stack. The primary difference now is software. One runs iOS natively, the other runs MacOS. And both are perfectly cromulent on Apple's M1 hardware. essentially interchangable. So why have two computers, running seperate operating systems, that are essentially the same thing. That's keeping two product lines for the sake of it.

But there just are things you cannot (yet?) do on a mobile OS. There are people who actually need a dedicated desktop OS. The previously mentioned folks may not be aware, but Macs are for example widely used in the Sciences and they have very different software/computing needs.

My recommendation was not to build it aruond iOS. build it around MacOS, which can now run iOS apps. Mac OS is the key differentiator here. unlike iOS which to me feels about 5 years out of date and super restrictive, MacOS is a full blown OS that doesn't have these limitations. However, I also truly doubt that Apple doesn't have the engineering / software prowress to be unable to have "smarts" to be able to adapt from tablet use to desktop use on the fly. Literally MICROSOFT has figured it out. Android can do it. But Apple still refuses to.



Just because both devices come with an M1 chip does it mean they can actually do the same things. Why exactly are there no fans in the iPad but in the iMac?
Ummm. How much time do you have for me to explain thermal properties of CPU's, Cooling and thermal limits? these however might affect overall performance, but they do not in any shape or form limit the capabilities and featuresets of the CPU's. An M1 running in an Ipad is going to give you the same compatibility as an M1 running in an iMac, or MacPro, or Air. the featureset doesn't change jsut because of active cooling vs passive. if this were the case, someone like myself who has a custom watercooled PC would be able to do an infinitely MORE things with my PC than say a regular laptop user. When in reality, a laptop user can run the same software I can. Just not at equal performance.

iPads exist for a specific use case. And they are designed for that.
Macs exist for a specific use case. And they are designed for that.
Nonsense. Both are just computers running their own Operating system. How would an M1 iPad on a stand with keyboard/mouse attached be any different than this iMac? simply put, there isn't. it's still just a computer. We already see this evidenced with the iPad Pro and the magic stand turning it essentially into a full enough laptop. this idea that it is a one fit design and only for that purpose is absolutely nonsense. the iPad is far more capable than being a spefici use case device.

I don't know why people always want to merge things to make *one* device that can do a lot but will not be able to do *everything* or just do it 'so so' because there inherently will be compromises. Specializations exist for a reason because they are *really* good at doing what they're designed for instead of doing average on a merge level. Average will be enough for some, maybe even most, people, but it will not be enough for others. And not everyone needs or can afford a fullblown Mac Pro.

While not everyone can / has usecase for a hybrid device. They are useful. The problem is, there's no specialization in Apple's product lines. these devices are generic. They're not "pro" and they're not truly specialized equipment. How functionally to a user would being able to put your iPad pro on a stand and use it like an iMac change the functional use cases of either? It doesn't because we already see users doing this today with the magic stand turning the iPad into a functional laptop. this whole paragraph of yours says literally nothing of value.

For the same reason it doesn't make sense to actually make a touch iMac or Macbook. Just because other companies have done it in the past means it's actually sensible. It's a cool gimmick. People who only occasionally use their computer may use it. But people who actually spend hours among hours working on their computers will not use it. (I've had family members with touch laptops, so this isn't a hypothetical).
Apple has provided ZERO compelling reason for not making their computeres themselves touch compatible. Their initial defense was "gorilla arm" and years later and touch becoming standard UI option for every other tech has proven this claim to be bunk. Apple chosing to ignore touch is a business decision for some reason. And I can tell you your anecodotal eperience with a couple family members is frankly, worth zero. Touch screen laptops are ever increasing in sales. the entire UI of phones and tablets we all use is touch based. claiming your luddite family doesn't like touch so touch is bad is well. Irrelevant and as meaningless as the rest of your claims

Instead of trying to make a "one fit all" device, make separate devices , keep those simple, but as a result be able to make sure that what they can do they can do excellently.
One size fit all devices aren't what I'm claiming. However, an entry level iMac, that is priced around the same price as na Ipad, running the same hardware, same featureset, was a perfect opportunity for Apple to try instead of playing it safe. I by no means think that this hybrid approach is going to replace a mac pro. or the larger more powerful imac (pro). But in this particular case? This was the perfect opportunity to merge the baseline imac and iPad to create a new product linup of moduler and portable computer devices.

I get it. YOU don't like the idea. but the way I invision it. If you don't need to be portable? Than don't. Keep the device docked on the stand 100% of the time and you've still got an imac.

But hey, isn't it nice instead of having to make sure your data is synced to the cloud, and accross devices, and connected properly. you had one device that you could just pick up and go? and it's 100% the same content, software and ffeatures no matter where you are?
 
All of you complaining about the chin ... aside from the fact that it may or may not be necessary from a technical standpoint (which I do think it is, even if some on here with no engineering degree claim otherwise on the basis that the iPad has no chin)... do tell me, which one is an iMac?

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Signature looks are kind of an important thing and Apple's always done a tremendous job at that. Doesn't mean everything always appeals to everyone's taste, but you can't deny they're really rocking that particular game (think white iPod earphones for example)
Why is the iMac with a chin the ‘iconic’ standard, unable to be changed, when one iteration at least (the Pixar-esque) iMac had no chin? Products are allowed to evolve and improve - nobody cares about retaining a particular look when undesirable aspects are kept for that sake.
 
I keep seeing people asking for something like this. There's just something that a lot of people don't seem to realize:

Current iPads, especially the Pro, are mighty powerful machines and they are fully capable of being the only computer for a LOT of people. Especially those that merely email/write and check the internet for a living as well as many in the creative/artistic fields.

But there just are things you cannot (yet?) do on a mobile OS. There are people who actually need a dedicated desktop OS. The previously mentioned folks may not be aware, but Macs are for example widely used in the Sciences and they have very different software/computing needs.

Just because both devices come with an M1 chip does it mean they can actually do the same things. Why exactly are there no fans in the iPad but in the iMac?

iPads exist for a specific use case. And they are designed for that.
Macs exist for a specific use case. And they are designed for that.
And they aren't actually mutually interchangeable, but often perfectly do complement each other.

I don't know why people always want to merge things to make *one* device that can do a lot but will not be able to do *everything* or just do it 'so so' because there inherently will be compromises. Specializations exist for a reason because they are *really* good at doing what they're designed for instead of doing average on a merge level. Average will be enough for some, maybe even most, people, but it will not be enough for others. And not everyone needs or can afford a fullblown Mac Pro.

For the same reason it doesn't make sense to actually make a touch iMac or Macbook. Just because other companies have done it in the past means it's actually sensible. It's a cool gimmick. People who only occasionally use their computer may use it. But people who actually spend hours among hours working on their computers will not use it. (I've had family members with touch laptops, so this isn't a hypothetical).

Instead of trying to make a "one fit all" device, make separate devices , keep those simple, but as a result be able to make sure that what they can do they can do excellently.
For my usage case, I would prefer to draw on an iMac with a Surface Studio/Lampshade iMac style floating hinge for several reasons:

1) No need for a separate display for tool palettes
2) Can multitask with several applications open at once without apps crashing
3) More room to draw comfortably
4) Full macOS.

The Surface Studio is not viable for me as the pen experience is sub par, it has old internals, not as many art apps and a very high price tag.

I‘d still use the iPad for consumption, but I’d prefer a Mac that does it all.

YMMV.

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Wish I had a need for this 24” iMac, but I want more RAM and GPU power.
 
How would an M1 iPad on a stand with keyboard/mouse attached be any different than this iMac? simply put, there isn't.
Are you kidding me? An M1 iPad on a stand can not be as fast as this iMac because it is hobbled by a built-in battery. The iMac has no battery so therefore is significantly lighter and less expensive, and goes faster because it stays plugged in to the wall for full desktop speed and power. Right, everyone?
 
Ya but my point is at no time in apples history did you have a Mac mini iPad and iMac all running the same performance. Their lines have become so bloated at the consumer level
Rather premature comment given no one has a new iMac to test for performance yet? Because it has the same chip it is not a given it will be the same performance.
 
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Yes! I’d be happy if the bezels and chin matched the same material and color as the back. These new iMacs are reminding me of the ugliest Nano ever made.
Quite agree and there are other considerations that make that a better solution. In Spain Apple are now required to give 3 year guarantees, with the EU likely to follow suit. Although at present computers do not come into the Right to Repair, they will and Apple should think of that before the event.

It would have been a much better design to have NO bezels and the frame wrap round the screen by 3-4mm holding the monitor in, with assembly and access being from the back. That way it would be a full screen to the edge of the frame, and the whole assembly screwed into the frame at the back, rather than the awful glue and suction that is a nightmare to make changes to SSD's or repairs.

I'd go even further. I'd certainly take away Ethernet from the brick, by all means save space with a power supply, and if it cleans up supply and is spike protected so much the better.

The Ethernet is A PORT, the headphone Jack is A PORT and should stay with the other ports.....but not necessarily on the monitor/cpu/gpu. The upstand has a cut out for the power supply still, and there is no reason why all the ports could not be connected via one multifunction cable into the iMac, with default supplied iMac having a cable reaching to the upstand underneath the monitor connecting to a mini hub the width of the upstand situated on the upstand out of sight from the front, with the micro hub in the same colour as the rest of the machine, with headphone jack, ethernet, SD and USB/Thunderbolt ports. Where the screen is tipped upwards to reveal all the ports and where they would be easily accessible.

The Micro Hub could be movable if users wished and with a longer wove multifunction cable could be moved to wherever a user wanted it, if they did not want it in its configured position.

Would keep the lines of the iMac cleaner, give more ports, easier accessibility and keep a little more out of the main case which may even reduce the chin further.

Logo should go back though. Can't believe they left it off.

By having unit accessed by screws from the back, screen would go in first and be held in by the frame. More accessible for repairs etc., no glue or suction cups required and with right to repair likely at some stage to include computers, makes sense, let alone the increased guarantees that will be demanded by the rest of the EU in line with Spain's requirement now for a 3 year guarantee.

Some may bulk at the idea of a micro hub in an AIO, but it would be integral to the unit as standard, and does have benefit in being movable for any user who wants multiple devices connected without it showing on the worktop.

The existing cut out in the stand provides easy cable access for other cables to connect to ports.
 
"Hey you know people love the iMac for its versatility of ports and upgradability right, let's remove all of them and make them use a dongle like on an ultrabook instead. For familiarity sake" - iMac design team 2021
What is this fascination by critics to post about dongles, sd, etc. Have you not heard of a mini hub!
 
Are you kidding me? An M1 iPad on a stand can not be as fast as this iMac because it is hobbled by a built-in battery. The iMac has no battery so therefore is significantly lighter and less expensive, and goes faster because it stays plugged in to the wall for full desktop speed and power. Right, everyone?

did you think this comment through?

Having a battery in a device has zero impact on it's performance. Yes, Devices / Operating systems are often programmed in order to downclock performance to save battery life.

This is 100% software controlled and can be determined on the fly by plugging it in. Pretty much every single battery enabled computer today already does this.

this is a moot argument you're making and is completely, Utterly well. Moronic.
 
did you think this comment through?

Having a battery in a device has zero impact on it's performance. Yes, Devices / Operating systems are often programmed in order to downclock performance to save battery life.

This is 100% software controlled and can be determined on the fly by plugging it in. Pretty much every single battery enabled computer today already does this.

this is a moot argument you're making and is completely, Utterly well. Moronic.
Thank you! It's actually the argument people give me when I ask for a battery in the Mac mini. I thought I'd try sarcasm to make a point.
 
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Thank you! It's actually the argument people give me when I ask for a battery in the Mac mini. I thought I'd try sarcasm to make a point.

Sorry I missed the sarcasm on that one!

it was satire written so well it could easily be mistaken for a regular poster on here :D
 
Going back for any reason looks bad on the marketing slides, as if the perfect forum had been achieved already. A terrible message to send hence not going to happen I guess.
And still Apple did just that with the new iPhones: reusing the design of the iPhone 4 of 2010.
 
And still Apple did just that with the new iPhones: reusing the design of the iPhone 4 of 2010.

Good point but at least in that exception they didn’t come up with that slide of “design evolution” from the first to the last generation to acknowledge that change. That would have been a fun one.
 
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They could put them in a separate box, and just stop making all-in-ones. It'd be so much neater to have just one thunderbolt cable going to the display, and all the other cables connected to the box. Displays could come in a variety of sizes, independent of the cpu in the box. And both would have room for a battery, so they don't have to be plugged in.
Well, apart from the battery it already exists: it’s called a Mac Mini.
 
Doesn't have to be. It was not in the Intel iMacs.
The Intel iMacs, including the one on which I'm typing this, are more than 3 inches deep in the center (not counting the support), where the CPU and cooling components are located. The top part of the "chin" in those systems is where the rear ports (USB, Thunderbolt, &c.) are located, and at those locations, thicker than the M1-based iMac.

So you're comparing Apples to.... older Apples.
 
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