Apple Announces Redesigned iMac With M1 Chip and Seven Color Options

[Ethosik]

Ok, I can write a list of random games and TV shows as well. You don't NEED 8TB, you WANTED to install that particular amount of storage for convenience. Like you said you have all these external devices you could have stuck 256GB on your PC and then copied and moved stuff between the drives frequently.

All that post demonstrates is that if you purchased one 256GB iMac for all those uses you listed your Supernatural at 548GB is more than double the storage already. Goes to show you could not live with a single 256GB Mac for your personal usage excluding work. Hence at least 1TB SSD should be the standard across the board on all Macs. Heck I just stated 1TB as a general remark. If you want to get serious at least 2TB should be the standard sizing in 2021. Should have been the standard years ago.

You could store more and reduce the frequency that you need to move things to external drives lessening the read/write cycles on the SSD increasing its longevity.

Well I guess my other post wasn't the last. Have you actually read what I have posted AT ALL? Point me to where I state that 256GB is good for ANY use case? This is just getting ridiculous now, 2TB needs to be a minimum?

And if you REALLY want to play that game that I do not NEED 8TB, then you don't need 1TB.

Supernatural - I can just have one EPISODE downloaded at a time - 1.9GB of space TOTAL. There you go, I made 256GB work.

 

[UK-MacAddict]

Not everyone has to agree with what you say. You think 256 is enough and I disagree.

 

[Ethosik]

I said there are valid use cases for 256GB. Look at who this iMac is geared towards and I have stated this before too. Students (IN the classroom which locks down what can be installed), teachers and business employees (which locks down their device too), general home users (just browsing Facebook and Facetiming does not need 1TB), secretaries and so on. Apple is not targeting this towards the UBER GAMER, or ULTRA PRO. Obviously, if you want to install games and work in Final Cut Pro - good news! You can get more space!

So this is just a really weird argument you are having.

"More than 256GB is NEEDED!"
"I have a system that has 8TB of space"
"You don't NEED 8TB...."

Just seems very odd the arguments you are making. I am making your point FOR you in SOME configurations but you are still fighting with me about it. All my point was is that 256GB is ALL that is needed for - repeat after me now....slowly......SOME USE CASES.

 

[UK-MacAddict]

Well I guess my other post wasn't the last. Have you actually read what I have posted AT ALL? Point me to where I state that 256GB is good for ANY use case? This is just getting ridiculous now, 2TB needs to be a minimum?

And if you REALLY want to play that game that I do not NEED 8TB, then you don't need 1TB.

Supernatural - I can just have one EPISODE downloaded at a time - 1.9GB of space TOTAL. There you go, I made 256GB work.

Can this be your last post please?

You mentioned students, teachers, your parents and others would be fine with 256GB. According to you nobody can ever fill a 256GB drive, just because you yourself do not.

Yes I believe 2TB should be a minimum, with build to order options after that.

We can agree to disagree. You do not need 8TB and I do not need 1TB, its just something we want in our machines.

Made it work by attaching external drives and you would be constantly moving files back and forth shortening the lifespan of that tiny 256GB SSD. Since you like to keep all the episodes having a larger SSD would help you out. Otherwise you'd be moving one episode at time back and forth when you want to watch them.

 

[Ethosik]

According to you nobody can ever fill a 256GB drive, just because you yourself do not.

Again when did I EVER state this? From the very beginning I stated my work computer (one use case) is just fine on 256GB. My parents (only Facetiming and using Facebook) get by just fine on 256GB. My brother that just does their banking and taxes on their computer gets by just fine on 256GB.

ALL I have EVER said from the beginning of all of this is....there are valid use cases for 256GB. I have also proved YOUR point that there are use cases that require MORE than 256GB - that I have an 8TB setup - that I fill up to 6-7 TB.

So again, who are you arguing with? I never said NOBODY can fill up 256GB. I ONLY said there are valid use cases where 256GB is enough. NOT ALL USE CASES.....just some valid ones.

 

[UK-MacAddict]

I said there are valid use cases for 256GB. Look at who this iMac is geared towards and I have stated this before too. Students (IN the classroom which locks down what can be installed), teachers and business employees (which locks down their device too), general home users (just browsing Facebook and Facetiming does not need 1TB), secretaries and so on. Apple is not targeting this towards the UBER GAMER, or ULTRA PRO. Obviously, if you want to install games and work in Final Cut Pro - good news! You can get more space!

So this is just a really weird argument you are having.

"More than 256GB is NEEDED!"
"I have a system that has 8TB of space"
"You don't NEED 8TB...."

Just seems very odd the arguments you are making. I am making your point FOR you in SOME configurations but you are still fighting with me about it. All my point was is that 256GB is ALL that is needed for - repeat after me now....slowly......SOME USE CASES.

My opposition to this is that there are valid use cases where 256GB for general home users is not enough. Situations where their computers are not locked down, such as when they are purchased by themselves, and they are free to do whatever they like with them.

It seems odd thats you keep having this argument as well. Now you repeat after me, even slower.....256GB in SOME cases is nowhere near enough.

Lets just end this as we agree to disagree.

 

[Ethosik]

It seems odd thats you keep having this argument as well. Now you repeat after me, even slower.....256GB in SOME cases is nowhere near enough.

By definition, when someone says something is good for SOME cases, it means its not good for other use cases. SO OBVIOUSLY I am ALSO stating 256GB is NOT valid for some use cases.

 

[UK-MacAddict]

By definition, when someone says something is good for SOME cases, it means its not good for other use cases. SO OBVIOUSLY I am ALSO stating 256GB is NOT valid for some use cases.

So then we are both right, depending on the use and the individual. End of story, happy days.

 

[Ethosik]

So then we are both right, depending on the use and the individual. End of story, happy days.

Yes I have stated this since the first post

 

[Ankaa]

You don't NEED 8TB, you WANTED to install that particular amount of storage for convenience.

Newsflash: optimizing workflow always is about convenience.

Do I NEED 8TB internal storage? No, I don't. Would it save an extra plug and an extra USB cable (let alone extra space those big hard drives take up) with all those additional bottlenecks and potentials for something to go wrong/kaputt? Absolutely.

Start working with big data and let's talk again, ok?

 

[UK-MacAddict]

Newsflash: optimizing workflow always is about convenience.

Do I NEED 8TB internal storage? No, I don't. Would it save an extra plug and an extra USB cable (let alone extra space those big hard drives take up) with all those additional bottlenecks and potentials for something to go wrong/kaputt? Absolutely.

Start working with big data and let's talk again, ok?

Basically you agree with me. All Macs should come with bigger hard drives as standard and you want a Mac with at least 8TB of storage for optimised work flow, ok got you.

I have lots of completely filled external drives. That’s the point. Macs should not be coming with 256GB of storage because you will need to plug in loads of extra drives causing desk clutter and bottlenecks etc. Having a larger internal drive to start with will mean you can store more before having to move it on.

 

[Aethelstan]

I said there are valid use cases for 256GB. Look at who this iMac is geared towards and I have stated this before too. Students (IN the classroom which locks down what can be installed), teachers and business employees (which locks down their device too), general home users (just browsing Facebook and Facetiming does not need 1TB), secretaries and so on. Apple is not targeting this towards the UBER GAMER, or ULTRA PRO. Obviously, if you want to install games and work in Final Cut Pro - good news! You can get more space!

So this is just a really weird argument you are having.

"More than 256GB is NEEDED!"
"I have a system that has 8TB of space"
"You don't NEED 8TB...."

Just seems very odd the arguments you are making. I am making your point FOR you in SOME configurations but you are still fighting with me about it. All my point was is that 256GB is ALL that is needed for - repeat after me now....slowly......SOME USE CASES.

As an elementary school teacher I need to tell you that we regularly amass more than 500 GB of files locally. Yes we use Google Drive for a lot of shared documents, but lessons plans, PowerPoint presentations, videos to share and videos we make along with all other files add up. The laptops we’re given are typically 512 GB and up. I prefer to use my own MacBook Air for teaching and graduate courses. I can tell you quite simply both as a teacher and graduate student that 512 GB should be the minimum along with 16 GB of RAM as Zoom, along with document cameras and loads Chrome tabs take their toll. I said in another post that the $1,499 model should’ve included 512/16 as standard. As such, I cannot recommend this current iMac to our staff.

 

[groovebuster]

I waited a few days, but the new iMac still doesn't grow on me. They design is fantastic, except for the front. The front is a complete failure. But that's what I am looking at all the time as a user. Also they are kind of "underequipped" considering the price. 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD in a powerful machine like this for the entry model does not compute in my world for US$1.5k. And if you are going for more RAM and SSD capacity, prices become very quickly ridiculous. As usual with Apple. If I look at the premiums they are charging for this on the Mac mini, a maxed out iMac with 16GB RAM and 2TB SSD will be probably around US$2,400. No way, José.
I was looking forward to use one of these puppies as fixed setup for my home studio, so that I don't have to fiddle around with my 15" MacBook Pro, carrying it around all the time in the house and playing cable spaghetti every time I am connecting it to all my audio equipment.
I really hope they will coming up with an iMac Pro later on that looks more pleasing for a working environment is worth the money.
I am still speechless about the front design failure... IF they had to keep the chin, the why not making it metal in the same color as the back and also putting a small Apple Logo again in the middle? In addition with a black bevel? Johnathan Ive really left the house. Under his direction a machine like this would never have left the house...

 

[quarkysg]

Also they are kind of "underequipped" considering the price. 8GB of RAM and a 256GB SSD in a powerful machine like this for the entry model does not compute in my world for US$1.5k.

Actually, isn't the price the same as the 21.5" iMac that was replaced? You get a bigger display with a more powerful machine compared to the one it replaces.

the why not making it metal in the same color as the back and also putting a small Apple Logo again in the middle?

I guess looking at a darker colour is a distraction and probably straining the eye (over a long period of time) compared to a lighter tone? I guess that's why the stand is also lighter in shade. Scratching my head on the Apple logo tho.

 

[macjoshua]

I actually think I would like it better if it weren't for the faded color on the chin. I would get annoyed by that pretty quickly, which is why I would only consider the silver model (though I would never buy one of these).

 

[Ethosik]

As an elementary school teacher I need to tell you that we regularly amass more than 500 GB of files locally. Yes we use Google Drive for a lot of shared documents, but lessons plans, PowerPoint presentations, videos to share and videos we make along with all other files add up. The laptops we’re given are typically 512 GB and up. I prefer to use my own MacBook Air for teaching and graduate courses. I can tell you quite simply both as a teacher and graduate student that 512 GB should be the minimum along with 16 GB of RAM as Zoom, along with document cameras and loads Chrome tabs take their toll. I said in another post that the $1,499 model should’ve included 512/16 as standard. As such, I cannot recommend this current iMac to our staff.

And its great, there is an option for you to get more storage. But to state 256GB has ZERO use cases is just false. Even if I needed 8TB for something else and I had a MacBook Pro, there is an 8TB upgrade option right on the site. Isn't it great we have these things called options? Person A only needs 256GB. Person B needs 8TB. That is why we configure systems. I NEVER buy the base for MY needs, but my company (storage wise), family friends and more uses the base 256.

This....was....my....entire...point. Different use cases need different space. I recently visited my college campus (I used to work in IT there so even with lockdown I was able to visit old co workers). They have hundreds of computers in half a dozen computer labs in several buildings. They all have 256GB storage. Office and Browsers. Some special computers have additional tools like Math and Physics stuff, but its still not 256GB. Every week these computers are re-imaged so any extra files on there are deleted. I was the one that helped start that process, glad to see its still being used.

 

[colourfastt]

I was really looking forward to the reintroduction of the 24-inch model. And the "leaked" guesses at the colors intrigued me. I admit: I like Space Gray. The Apple reveal disappointed me. I like the vibrant, bold colors Apple placed on the backs of the iMacs, but the pastels and the white bezel on the front leave me cold. I can't look at that all day. Looks like a Barbie Dream House iMac. I guess I'll just plug along until something different shows up.

This particular colour line-up is hardly new for Apple.

 

[colourfastt]

But there are people out there who use their Macs for gaming, what's your point? Just because YOU do not do something on your computer does that mean everyone else in the world doesn't?

You're taking the whole gaming thing way too seriously. I was merely saying if a £450 games console can put in a 1TB PCIe 4 SSD then Apple charging considerably more can stop trying to rip off customers and include one as well. A non gamer who is into movies would fill a 256GB easily.

How about you understand and acknowledge just because you think 256GB is enough the majority of people out there would always opt to have more built in as standard. Just because you say 256GB is enough doesn't mean you are right.

I'm pretty certain you don't need 8TB for your Windows PC and I know you're lying about 256GB being enough for your work laptop. You just can't admit to it.

I didn't really want to get into this, but ...

I use my MBA for both personal and work (because I own my business) and only use 200G of the Air's 512G SSD—most of that is the iTunes folder. If I were to remove my personal files from the MBA I'd be using FAR less than 100G of the SSD. So, as I see it, the new iMacs with 8G of RAM and a 256G SSD is quite reasonable for basic consumer use; people in the real world aren't concerned with the esoterica that MR denizens are. They just want a computer they can turn on, use Google, and have a word processor and spreadsheet (satisfied by either Google Docs and Sheets or MS Word and Excel online—both of which are free).

 

[hot-gril]

I fear we will never see user-swappable RAM on iMacs again. Just M series with integrated RAM.

That'd suck unless the RAM just got cheap enough that it doesn't matter.

 

[BillyBurke]

The chin... why?

Well, they have to put the logic board and its peripherals somewhere, don't they?

 

[9927036]

Well, they have to put the logic board and its peripherals somewhere, don't they?

Indeed. How about behind the screen. Like in an iPad. Or even like the 27 inch iMac. Now that is innovation. 🤣

 

[9927036]

That'd suck unless the RAM just got cheap enough that it doesn't matter.

Agreed. I just have a bad feeling about the "Pro" iMac.

 

[HowardEv]

I have an idea for how to improve the iPad Pro that will thrill all the iMac fans here: take out that heavy expensive battery and make it so it has to stay plugged in at all times. That will make it better somehow. And put the cpu and speakers in a chin, so it can be even thinner. What do you think? Awesome idea right?

 

[HowardEv]

Well, they have to put the logic board and its peripherals somewhere, don't they?

They could put them in a separate box, and just stop making all-in-ones. It'd be so much neater to have just one thunderbolt cable going to the display, and all the other cables connected to the box. Displays could come in a variety of sizes, independent of the cpu in the box. And both would have room for a battery, so they don't have to be plugged in.

 

[Aethelstan]

And its great, there is an option for you to get more storage. But to state 256GB has ZERO use cases is just false. Even if I needed 8TB for something else and I had a MacBook Pro, there is an 8TB upgrade option right on the site. Isn't it great we have these things called options? Person A only needs 256GB. Person B needs 8TB. That is why we configure systems. I NEVER buy the base for MY needs, but my company (storage wise), family friends and more uses the base 256.

This....was....my....entire...point. Different use cases need different space. I recently visited my college campus (I used to work in IT there so even with lockdown I was able to visit old co workers). They have hundreds of computers in half a dozen computer labs in several buildings. They all have 256GB storage. Office and Browsers. Some special computers have additional tools like Math and Physics stuff, but its still not 256GB. Every week these computers are re-imaged so any extra files on there are deleted. I was the one that helped start that process, glad to see its still being used.i

And its great, there is an option for you to get more storage. But to state 256GB has ZERO use cases is just false. Even if I needed 8TB for something else and I had a MacBook Pro, there is an 8TB upgrade option right on the site. Isn't it great we have these things called options? Person A only needs 256GB. Person B needs 8TB. That is why we configure systems. I NEVER buy the base for MY needs, but my company (storage wise), family friends and more uses the base 256.

This....was....my....entire...point. Different use cases need different space. I recently visited my college campus (I used to work in IT there so even with lockdown I was able to visit old co workers). They have hundreds of computers in half a dozen computer labs in several buildings. They all have 256GB storage. Office and Browsers. Some special computers have additional tools like Math and Physics stuff, but its still not 256GB. Every week these computers are re-imaged so any extra files on there are deleted. I was the one that helped start that process, glad to see its still being used.

My argument wasn’t the lack of choice. BTO options have always been around. It’s the value proposition as another poster indicated. At $1,299 the 256/8 is perfectly suitable and a good value. At $1,499 the device should come with 512/16 standard. Back when 128 GB was standard, SSD’s were prohibitively expensive. That’s not the case now, and neither is RAM. File sizes continue to grow and in order to make this iMac as future proof as possibly you’re getting into the Pro price category which we’ve all agreed this iMac isn’t made to be, and therefore with limited storage, memory and ports, it’s not a good value. I’m fine with the design and don’t see a big deal about the bezels or chin. If $1,499 got me 512/16 it’d be an immediate buy.