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$600 for such powerful machine is amazing price. How much are the competing Wintel machines are selling for?
 
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$599USD. M4, 16GB RAM? This thing is going to sell like hotcakes

I am afraid not. Most people have migrated to the "mobile" world. Back in 2004-09 everyone wanted a laptop. Now most people do not own a laptop, a smartphone is all they need/want and some migrated to an ipad. Those who want a computer usually opt for an all-in-one laptop.

the space for a desktop machine remains in a very tight niche for the general public, and even those who buy 1 will probably buy 1 for the whole family like back in 1993. Outside from games, its been really long time since I heard someone opt for a desktop tower PC.
 
Apple used to have the button on the keyboard - I miss that.
Fun fact, if you use an old adb keyboard with an adapter like I do the power button is actually a recognized key (though it wont power on the machine)
There is a lot to like about this new Mac Mini, but the one area that would concern me is the RAM. On my 2020 Intel iMac, I'm at 14 GB RAM in use with just six tabs open on Firefox (it would be higher if I was using Chrome or Safari). Not much else running outside of Norton. I'm on Sonoma. Luckily, I have 32 GB RAM but 16 GB seems to be cutting it really close even for basic, everyday tasks. I can see offering that on the $599 model but you'd like to see 24 GB standard on the $799 and 32 GB standard on the $999. Especially since these probably are tough if not impossible to upgrade. I don't see 16 GB being sufficient for much for too much longer.
in use or wired? I’d suspect a great deal of your memory use is cache
 
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There is a lot to like about this new Mac Mini, but the one area that would concern me is the RAM. On my 2020 Intel iMac, I'm at 14 GB RAM in use with just six tabs open on Firefox (it would be higher if I was using Chrome or Safari). Not much else running outside of Norton. I'm on Sonoma. Luckily, I have 32 GB RAM but 16 GB seems to be cutting it really close even for basic, everyday tasks. I can see offering that on the $599 model but you'd like to see 24 GB standard on the $799 and 32 GB standard on the $999. Especially since these probably are tough if not impossible to upgrade. I don't see 16 GB being sufficient for much for too much longer.
It is very unusual for 6 browser tabs to take up that much RAM. either they are all very complex web apps or they are running JavaScript with a lot of memory leaks. The software usage you describe would work just fine in 8GB of RAM. 16GB would be no problem. It helps that browser tabs are easy for the system to swap to SSD.

Oh, god! Now we are arguing that 16GB is hopelessly inadequate.
 
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It is very unusual for 6 browser tabs to take up that much RAM. either they are all very complex web apps or they are running JavaScript with a lot of memory leaks. The software usage you describe would work just fine in 8GB of RAM. 16GB would be no problem. It helps that browser tabs are easy for the system to swap to SSD.

Oh, god! Now we are arguing that 16GB is hopelessly inadequate.
It was inevitable. This is the MacRumors forum, 2/3 of posters are here to let the rest of us know how bad Apple is, and how every decision they make is bad!
 
Wow this looks cool! Very tempting!

Aren't you glad Apple made Desktop ARM SoC's not only viable, yet performance and cost competitive to X64-64? I feel, for the Mac + Arm, Apple hasn't been this far ahead since a) the golden age ,and b) since Mac OS X years. It's been a VERY long time since the Mac Mini has looked so promising, and what a way to knock it out the park with the M4 Pro, in 2024. THIS is the Mac Mini I've always wanted and have been waiting for.

But why the HELL does it NOT come in BLACK! Its Ol' Hallow'eve!!
[I'll be buying this because there is nothing on Windows that comes close - I was even thinking the HP Z9 Mini now i shudder to even think of that]

To dongle or not to dongle. That is the question. I’ll get one for myself over the holidays.
I'm over it. So is half the Apple community since 2020, and now just about every Windows Laptop user since 2022. Docks are on the way out and the Monitor (especially Apple's and Dell's are full 100W hubs).

WHY'S IT GOT A HEADPHONE JACK ON THE FRONT!
Because I want it, because most of us want it. We need it, We want it, so Apple finally GIVE IT! NOW finally!
Wow impressive upgrade for the M4 Pro. 14 core CPU (10 perf and 4 eff) , this is a big upgrade over the M3 Pro, and three thunderbolt 5 ports.

"oh pull-yur thong-owt-my-arse Erroll" you cheeky devil you.

Oh yeah Thunderbolt 5 ... full 120gbits/sec data throughput and so much more ... and Apple delivered this on the MINI !

[If ONLY Apple brought that kind of love back with the iPhone Mini ] I mean its been more than 2 generations and 2 years since the last iPhone 13 mini.

Just still hanging on to that with iOS finally getting a native desktop mode environment like Samsung Dex. Yeah I had some nice edibles today. ;)

I’m buying this
You and me both .... yet my purchase will be later close to the holidays as I'll be moving soon.
No 32GB RAM option on the Pro, 24GB as standard, or £400 more for the next upgrade. Typical apple ********...

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Ain't bothering me 1 bit!

I just started working again and still a full time student. Pricing seems fair to me here in Canada. Until December I'll be buying some stock and hoping for a split.
 
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$600 for such powerful machine is amazing price. How much are the competing Wintel machines are selling for?
Mac Mini is all about CPU, it is great for coding and such, but PC users would benefit more with stronger GPU than faster CPUs.

Most built PC came with $300 CPU paired with $1K GPU because that CPU is good enough for their purpose.
 
They were thinking people want to plug headphones in and its a convenient place to do so.
No they were not. They currently don't even sell headphones with the headphone jack, not even Airpods Max. It's a desktop computer without a decent speaker. So you connect it to speakers. If you want to use headphones, get an airpods, and that's their answer too. So it's weird to have the headphone jack on the front. And btw, they did exactly that with the mac studio.
 
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Think we'll have to wait until next year. I don't think it makes sense for Apple to update the Studio Display and/or XDR at the same time as they announce MacBook Pros (tomorrow). Today would have been the day!
Not if it’s an XDR replacement, then tomorrow makes sense! I agree though, probably next year.
 
No 32GB RAM option on the Pro, 24GB as standard, or £400 more for the next upgrade. Typical apple ********...

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It's annoying but TBH I can't see myself needing more than 24GB. Whereas with a loooot of previous Macs it's been more like 'the base model is just there for the headline pricing... nobody's gonna buy it as it's severely crippled'.
 
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Does it work as seamlessly as an internal drive? Struggling with my 256GB 2015 MacBook Pro. Even though I genuinely feel I have no sizeable files on it, it always seems to struggle to have updates installed due to lack of space.
It works extremely well. I record YouTube videos using my iPhone 15 Pro. Then transfer them to my T6 drive, plug it in to my MBP and edit from there.

However the Mac Mini has Thunderbolt 4 or 5 which means that you can use external drives that support that which is even faster than USB3 for a Samsung T6/T7.
 
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Good to see the new mini with 16GB as base RAM/unified memory and with no price increase.
 
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Thinking about storage options. Does Apple allow you to create back ups of the iPhone/iPad to a Mac on to a external drive? Otherwise I may need to opt for the 512GB option, annoyingly.
 
Treated myself to one, 16GB/512GB SSD. Currently using an M1 MacBook Air (8GB) in clamshell mode so it'll be a nice upgrade. £100 off with EDU pricing so not too shabby. This is the most excited I've been about getting a new Apple product for a long time; roll on next Friday!!
 
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Why would you put the headphone jack on the back, it's meant to plug in headphones, why would I reach around to the back of the unit to plug in headphones.

Because due to a trend Apple pushed most people now use Bluetooth headphones, it is therefore odd to put this port right on the front of this new machine. Also if you’re using speakers that plug in through this port it has to plug in on the front.
 
256GB as the base SSD would be ok, if the upgrade prices were of the market. But since they are of produce, meh.

As for the price, I can't wait to see the price here in Greece at at least double for any model.
 
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Solid numbers, nice to see, impossible to read them all 😀


Anyone please has recommendation for durable/reliable dock ?

Mac mini, i am impressed, only one thing, where is the catch ? If any.
One NAND chip for every 256GB ? Or two for 128+128 ? Looking forward to teardown before buying. Still has a fan, well apparently has to have, which means one day you will have get your hands dirty and remove dust.
 
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