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Would the base model be OK for my parents? They still use their Mac Mini 2012

For their use, the only issues are in Notes because they use iPhone 13s which support more features in iOS and current macOS. Their Mac Mini stopped having OS updates and therefore Notes and Photos are obsolete (?)
It would be perfect. If they are using a 2012 and only upgrading because its not getting updates they are they target market for this computer. Just double check how much storage they are currently using. Existing machine could have a much larger spinning disk.
 
We have to wait and see the M4 Studios which may (will) change things, but today 64 GB RAM is very much a sweet spot for folks like me doing still images and graphics. That is a very significant [also opinion-leading] market segment, hardly "absolutely microscopic."

Last week the Mac Mini was a good value, attractive to many stills/graphics users - - except for the 32 GB RAM limitation of the old Mac Mini being not quite enough for a new box. Today the Mac Mini is still a good value, attractive to many stills/graphics users, but now with 64 GB RAM making it a fully acceptable choice.

I have a lot of friends that are photographers and don't think I know one that went with more than 32GB of RAM. I agree that 64GB is a very atypical configuration. We can argue about 8/16/..32 all day long but 64GB is much more than anyone I know uses.
 
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To be honest, "1.8x" really does not sound impressive "on paper".

80% faster. That is impressive sounding. That means they made 20% gain in performance from generation to generation. Again, very impressive.

A rookie mistake by Apple? Or they are too honest (which is also a mistake)?

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No rookie mistake, they just know their audience - they do not really care for big sounding numbers.
Also 1,8x is a factor - so it less fixated on the percentage of computing rather on the effective turn out on the work you do.
 
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They have started sending more devices over from China on ships rather than on planes. It’s better for CO2 but it does slow down the initial pipeline fulfillment.
Understandable, but then you’d think why didn’t they ship early to have available on announcement. The iMac, and I guess particularly the MacBook refreshes are pretty much drop in M4 upgrades, so I just don’t get the 2 week delay—it’s not like they are taking pre-orders for some new redesigned product. I think in the past when upgrades were done, Apple usually just stated “these are available online and at our store starting today”
 
because Jony Ive doesn't work at Apple any more - now the guys from Cupertino can be less ideology and more pragmatic driven.
Soooooo glad that guy is gone.
Now maybe we can have Mac hardware that is USER FRIENDLY, for people who actually USE their compter, instead of being (*!!#!*) art museum 'pretty'.
 
As Apple just adjusted the trade in values of previous Mac models, does anyone have any thoughts on how long the current values will hold? My base model M2 Mini has a trade in of $260.00. I'd like to get a base model M4 after the first of the year and was wondering if the new trade in value would hold for a while.

I certainly don't need a new Mini, but the smaller footprint is super intriguing for my workspace preferences.
 
I've never fully understood this. The M2 Mac mini I use at work has 512GB internal (as I struggled with 256GB in the past). Somehow 125GB is occupied by System Data. 1/4 of usable space gone just like that. Wish we had more control over how storage is used.
Download daisy disk software. It is wonky and clunky, but it actually sees very hidden files. The issue is that “system data” is totally not macos, but a lot of things it keeps as needed for “maybe in the future “ use.

My system data was taken by carbon copy cleaners hidden files which were backups. I had to install carbon copy again and uninstall the hidden backups. But daisy disk helped me to locate the culprit.
 
why buy apple storage though. you can buy a wd black 4tb drive for under $300 and pop it in a thunderbolt 5 bay if ya need crazy performance or a thunderbolt 4 bay for less. they also make an 8tb drive for $649 today. apples storage prices are insane and only make sense to pay on portables like laptops
Because my 2TB WD drive runs pretty hot in my Satechi USB4 enclosure that is pretty bulky. Attached to my m2pro Mac Mini.
 
No of course not. There's no way Apple would price it at $599 for the base model if they did.

Apple's prices to upgrade the internal storage are outrageous, but I'm happy to only pay $599 and get 256gb. 256gb is still a huge amount of space for the main system drive. Cheap external storage is ok for everything beyond that. I don't see much difference between 256gb and 512gb because 512gb isn't big enough for everything anyway, so I'm going to need external storage either way... and then might as well go for 1 or 2 TB.
I believe the 512 is faster than the 256 and those 256's fill up faster than you think - with what, I have no idea? But I recently bought an M2PRO and half my 512 is full. I run most everything off an external drive.
 
I have a question for the good folks on this forum. I know there's a separate section of the forum for questions from dummies, but this seems like the place where the new Mini discussion is happening right now.

Should I buy a new Mac Mini with 4 TB storage, or a unit with less storage paired with a 4 TB external hard drive? The external hard drive costs literally one tenth the price of the additional storage in the Mini.

I'm an amateur photographer and have nearly filled my 2 TB drive on my old 2014 Mini that I'm finally replacing. Lots of photos and videos.

Here are my more specific questions:

1. If I add a 4 TB external hard drive to my Mini, will I need to purchase the model with the M4 Pro chip? I noticed that the 4 TB model only comes with the M4 Pro, probably because the large drive needs all that processing power?

2. When putting Photos or iTunes on an external drive, how does that work with a backup drive through TimeMachine? Would I plug in another external drive to back up the entire computer plus the external drive with Photos and iTunes (so, two external hard drives)?

3. When using an external drive for photos and music, are contents encrypted the same way they are on the Mini's internal hard drive?

4. Is there a specific model of 4 TB external drive that any of you would recommend to use with the new Mini?

More generally, is there any downside to using an external drive rather than having all 4 TB within the new Mini?

Thank you.
 
Buying the M4 Pro version. If I'm spending an extra $200, better off going to the 14-core CPU/20-core GPU or upgrade to the 1TB SSD Internal?
I choosed 14/20 for better speed. Ssd can be easily expanded by extern ssd. But cpu and gpu is fixed forever
 
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They could've gave the new Mac mini the same ports as the studio minus the two usb-c ports in the front which are the same ports on the back of an M2 pro Mac mini as well. It's not that hard
 
There is a lot to like about this new Mac Mini, but the one area that would concern me is the RAM. On my 2020 Intel iMac, I'm at 14 GB RAM in use with just six tabs open on Firefox (it would be higher if I was using Chrome or Safari). Not much else running outside of Norton. I'm on Sonoma. Luckily, I have 32 GB RAM but 16 GB seems to be cutting it really close even for basic, everyday tasks. I can see offering that on the $599 model but you'd like to see 24 GB standard on the $799 and 32 GB standard on the $999. Especially since these probably are tough if not impossible to upgrade. I don't see 16 GB being sufficient for much for too much longer.
 
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Almost tempted to buy a mini pro and sell my 16” mbp m3 pro. Already have a portable 16” monitor and use an external keyboard and mouse because the mbp sits on a Roost. The mini fits just as easily in my backpack and is $2K cheaper with more memory. Most places I work remotely from have power outlets available anyway.
 
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I believe the 512 is faster than the 256 and those 256's fill up faster than you think - with what, I have no idea? But I recently bought an M2PRO and half my 512 is full. I run most everything off an external drive.
Yeah I didn't mean you couldn't fill it up, I just meant its plenty big for a main drive. You can easily fill it with random data, media, etc... but the OS and applications won't run out of space if you restrict that other stuff to an external drive. Even if you did install an app that has a large amount of data, you could sym link directories to point to another drive.

No reason not to use external storage when Apple prices the upgrades so outrageously, especially for a $599 computer.
 
Not gonna lie, that is one good looking redesign. Smaller footprints and front facing USB-C ports is really a nice touch. The storage though is a bit small. I'm a desktop user and I'm used to using multiple drives and customization. Storage upgrade is crazy expensive and using external NVMe just take the cleanliness away.
 
No of course not. There's no way Apple would price it at $599 for the base model if they did.

Apple's prices to upgrade the internal storage are outrageous, but I'm happy to only pay $599 and get 256gb. 256gb is still a huge amount of space for the main system drive. Cheap external storage is ok for everything beyond that. I don't see much difference between 256gb and 512gb because 512gb isn't big enough for everything anyway, so I'm going to need external storage either way... and then might as well go for 1 or 2 TB.

Yes, Apple asking $200 for a mere upgrade from 256 to 512GB storage. That is insane, you can buy at least a 2TB NVMe SSD for that price!
 
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