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I respect your views but I honestly don’t buy it, phones are still gonna be made no matter what I do with mine etc, and eco waste in my honest view isn’t a thing; it doesn’t damage the planet or world in any way, but I respect your views
E-waste is a very real thing. Mostly in ways we don’t often think of. Often when we throw something away it goes into the trash. Let’s say a large group of people actually do the right thing and drop it off at a proper e-waste bin. It still needs to be sorted, which takes energy to do that. A lot of that stripping of the materials uses magnets, chemicals, and heat. Often these are also toxic (chemicals) so you have to do something with that. So the issue sort of scales up and in the US, and many other countries, they don’t have the infrastructure to handle e-waste all that well. This isn’t even taking into the account where that energy comes from and how it affects the world.

Batteries are generally what people think of when it comes to electronic waste but there are lots of other materials as well like mercury that also can get into ground water. Thankfully there’s often is a lot of regulation on that but not everyone listens and there’s not exactly police watching and checking what people throw away.

So people throwing away their electronics by themselves does create e-waste but what really causes the big stuff is processing it. There are valuable materials in those electronics that aren’t economically viable for an individual to extract but companies that can get them out to make a profit will often use hazardous ways to get them.

In the long run this is still good because the more ’Proper‘ recycling we do as a civilization the more likely it will get refined and better. Companies like Apple learn that certain materials are harmful so they find new ones to replace them so they are more recyclable.

There are lots of ways to debate this topic and no one agrees on anything really. One thing is for sure that giving people an option to repair can impact e-waste and may likely contribute to a healthy environment. We’ll just have to wait and see.
 
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This seems like a Trojan horse. Why invite Individuals to fix their own phone, when they made the iPhone 12/13 even harder to fix? They can turn this around and tell legislators "See, we let people fix their own phone and 69% botched the job and had to go to Apple to get it replaced."
This seems like a soft promise to legislators so that Apple doesn't lose to "Right to Repair" laws.
What Apple needs to do is end the contracts that prevents selling of crucial iPhone parts to 3rd parties, and provide technical manuals to third parties. Even if you go to Apple store to get a repair done, all that Apple does is outsource the work to an exploitative 3rd party company that underpays their techs, and make lots of bad mistakes.

In the 80's when concerns about plastics littering the environment where brought up, the oil companies said that they will make plastic recyclable. In the US, there are virtually zero recycling plants today and it's outsourced to other countries who either burn it, dump it, and unlikely, recycle it.
 
Curious how they’ll deal with people who are over confident and f**k it up
They will happily take it in for genuine apple pro triage & repair or sell replacement because you botched it your overconfident self. In your fine print.
 
The heat from that anti-monopoly threat must have gotten to them.

If this is true, it's a win for customers!
 
Apple want customers to be able to personally repair their own phones or give it to an Apple authourised repair center. I think this is Apple's way to stop Independent repair shops from getting in on the repair business and taking money away from Apple.
 
No way I want to open up an iPhone to fix it -- just how many phones are going to be permanently damaged by unqualified people working on them -- I bet more than get fixed!!

Now a laptop or desktop, I'm probably up to that, but I really, really, really, hate those pentalobe screws, the head strips more than they don't, even with the proper tools. Put a real screw in those laptops like a torx, or even a crosspoint, then maybe. fwiw, Lenovo has been doing self repair on some laptop problems for quite some time. (and they have better screws. :)

I was going to take apart my 2017 15" MBP to take out the swollen batteries, but the case is deformed enough I can't get those pentalobe screws out, the torque one can apply with that awful screw design is not enough to get them out. (and yes, I have the proper tools, I bought them just to do that!)
 
While there are plenty of Apple customers who are capable of, for example, replacing the display on their iPhone, I also foresee quite a number of people who think they are and end up doing more damage to the phone by trying repairs themselves.
This.

People will try fixing the device, break it, and then go to a Genius Bar tech expecting a free replacement.

This is great for consumers who know what they are doing, a nightmare for Genius Bar techs who will have to deal with the fallout from botched home repairs.
 
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Apple today announced the "Self Service Repair" program, allowing users to complete their own repairs via a new online store dedicated to parts and tools.

apple-self-service-repair-announcement.jpg

The Self Service Repair program will give customers who are comfortable with the idea of completing their own repairs access to Apple genuine parts, tools, and manuals, starting with the iPhone 12 and iPhone 13 lineups. The scheme will be introduced in phases, adding more repairs and supported devices over time. Apple chief operating officer Jeff Williams said:

The first phase of the program will focus on the iPhone's most commonly serviced parts, such as the display, battery, and camera, but more kinds of repairs will become available later next year. Apple silicon Macs with the M1 chip, including the MacBook Air, 13-inch MacBook Pro, Mac mini, and 24-inch iMac, will be next to join the scheme.

The Self Service Repair program will be facilitated by a new Apple Self Service Repair Online Store, offering more than 200 individual parts and tools to complete iPhone 12 and iPhone 13 repairs at launch.

Customers who want to perform a repair will first be encouraged to consult the Repair Manual before placing an order for parts and tools using the Apple Self Service Repair Online Store. After the repair has been completed, customers who return their used or broken part to Apple for recycling will receive credit toward their purchase.

Apple cautioned that Self Service Repair is intended for "individual technicians with the knowledge and experience to repair electronic devices," and encouraged "the vast majority of customers" to visit a professional repair provider with certified technicians for "the safest and most reliable way to get a repair."

The company also highlighted the significant global expansion of service locations with access to Apple genuine parts, tools, and training, as well as the growing number of Independent Repair Providers that sit alongside Apple Authorized Service Providers.

The Self Service Repair program will be available to users starting early next year in the U.S. and expand to additional countries throughout 2022.

Article Link: Apple Announces Self Service Repair Program, Starting With iPhone 12 and 13
Well, not so fast with happiness.. just wait for the parts prices :)
 
While there are plenty of Apple customers who are capable of, for example, replacing the display on their iPhone, I also foresee quite a number of people who think they are and end up doing more damage to the phone by trying repairs themselves.
The policy is meant to increase revenue... just wait till you see what the "replacement parts" actually cost. AND for that "more damaged"part, totally double dipping, first they got you for the cost of the part THEN they got you on paying for the repair. On the way to a 3T market cap!
 
No way I want to open up an iPhone to fix it -- just how many phones are going to be permanently damaged by unqualified people working on them -- I bet more than get fixed!!

Now a laptop or desktop, I'm probably up to that, but I really, really, really, hate those pentalobe screws, the head strips more than they don't, even with the proper tools. Put a real screw in those laptops like a torx, or even a crosspoint, then maybe. fwiw, Lenovo has been doing self repair on some laptop problems for quite some time. (and they have better screws. :)

I was going to take apart my 2017 15" MBP to take out the swollen batteries, but the case is deformed enough I can't get those pentalobe screws out, the torque one can apply with that awful screw design is not enough to get them out. (and yes, I have the proper tools, I bought them just to do that!)
Take it to the store, swollen batteries and the damage they caused are covered for a certain time. Outside of warranty, a top case replacement under a battery fee should be 199.
 
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While there are plenty of Apple customers who are capable of, for example, replacing the display on their iPhone, I also foresee quite a number of people who think they are and end up doing more damage to the phone by trying repairs themselves.
You are so right. Many will mess up, for example, replacing the screen adhesive improperly and then claiming Apple phones IP6 ratings are false.
 
Jaw, meet floor. I bet the parts will be expensive enough to make "pay an extra tenner to get a brand new phone" the more sensible option though.

anyone else think Louis Rossmann is gonna find a reason to lose his sh*t over this?

? If there's anything to lose **** over, I'm sure he'll find it!

In general though, this is what he's been fighting for for years.
 
This was not on my Apple bingo card.

(but RIP poor iFixit. Getting Sherlocked suuuucks)
I think not. Why would you buy an Apple battery and tools when you can have an item of comparable quality much cheaper from iFixit?
iFixit will still be around.
 
No way I want to open up an iPhone to fix it -- just how many phones are going to be permanently damaged by unqualified people working on them -- I bet more than get fixed!!

Now a laptop or desktop, I'm probably up to that, but I really, really, really, hate those pentalobe screws, the head strips more than they don't, even with the proper tools. Put a real screw in those laptops like a torx, or even a crosspoint, then maybe. fwiw, Lenovo has been doing self repair on some laptop problems for quite some time. (and they have better screws. :)

I was going to take apart my 2017 15" MBP to take out the swollen batteries, but the case is deformed enough I can't get those pentalobe screws out, the torque one can apply with that awful screw design is not enough to get them out. (and yes, I have the proper tools, I bought them just to do that!)
Try a drop of one of that liquid wrench applied with an earbud and let it sit for 5 mins and see if it comes off easily. I am guessing they all have some thread locker applied to it.
 
Jaw, meet floor. I bet the parts will be expensive enough to make "pay an extra tenner to get a brand new phone" the more sensible option though.



? If there's anything to lose **** over, I'm sure he'll find it!

In general though, this is what he's been fighting for for years.
He has been fighting this so people can fix their own machines? So what is in it for him?
 
this is very good as long as they dont charge half the price of a new phone for the screen before shipping
 
Apple chief operating officer Jeff Williams said

It is interesting this is announced by Jeff and not Tim Cook or anyone else. I am guessing he is the one pushing for it. Which makes me really want to see him as Apple's next CEO. Although he is only a few years younger than Tim Cook.
 
This seems like a Trojan horse. Why invite Individuals to fix their own phone, when they made the iPhone 12/13 even harder to fix? They can turn this around and tell legislators "See, we let people fix their own phone and 69% botched the job and had to go to Apple to get it replaced."
This seems like a soft promise to legislators so that Apple doesn't lose to "Right to Repair" laws.
What Apple needs to do is end the contracts that prevents selling of crucial iPhone parts to 3rd parties, and provide technical manuals to third parties. Even if you go to Apple store to get a repair done, all that Apple does is outsource the work to an exploitative 3rd party company that underpays their techs, and make lots of bad mistakes.

In the 80's when concerns about plastics littering the environment where brought up, the oil companies said that they will make plastic recyclable. In the US, there are virtually zero recycling plants today and it's outsourced to other countries who either burn it, dump it, and unlikely, recycle it.
There's probably nothing stopping an independent repair shop from accessing the same parts and manuals that the device owner can access. In fact, having the reference manuals available should up the success ratio of these shops.

This is pretty much what the independent repair shop folks wanted to see. Available OEM parts and tech manuals.

If Apple opens up the parts to older devices, this could be an option for the repair shops. Fix devices that are no longer under warranty and allow the customer to choose aftermarket parts or OEM parts.
 
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