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Apple Announces The iPhone
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i keep reading about how bad everyone's reception is....
is it really that bad in the us? and no 3g? I thought you guys were the leading country in the world.... here in europe you have 3g in every major city, and in addition to that, perfect signal with ANY carrier almost anywhere, (at least in Germany, France and Greece, that's where I have tested it) so since all carriers offer about the same here, I won't really care for which one it comes out, I will get it anyway because aside from the lack of 3g (which still might be incorporated for the eu market) it really is a revolution, instead of having to use 3 devices (phone, ipod, pda) I would have to use just one... sweet
oh one more thing, I guess the reason for the delay here is that in the us apple had to negotiate one deal, here in europe, they'd have to negotiate deals in every single country, so it would pbly take some time, then again they could just cut the crap and unlock it (or someone else will do it semi-legally )
about the apple tv, yeah it sure looks cool, it's a cool toy, but what is it good for? who is seriously going to buy movies online for 15$? when you can get the full quality, multi-language dvd with extras and box and so on for the same money? and in addition to that, we can buy it here in the eu. but we can't buy any content, yeah great, thanx!
the airport then again, is cool , allready ordered one
don't get me wrong, I worrship the ground steve jobs walks on, but some things are quite annoying to me.....
but still, the phone r0xx
is it really that bad in the us? and no 3g? I thought you guys were the leading country in the world.... here in europe you have 3g in every major city, and in addition to that, perfect signal with ANY carrier almost anywhere, (at least in Germany, France and Greece, that's where I have tested it) so since all carriers offer about the same here, I won't really care for which one it comes out, I will get it anyway because aside from the lack of 3g (which still might be incorporated for the eu market) it really is a revolution, instead of having to use 3 devices (phone, ipod, pda) I would have to use just one... sweet
oh one more thing, I guess the reason for the delay here is that in the us apple had to negotiate one deal, here in europe, they'd have to negotiate deals in every single country, so it would pbly take some time, then again they could just cut the crap and unlock it (or someone else will do it semi-legally
)about the apple tv, yeah it sure looks cool, it's a cool toy, but what is it good for? who is seriously going to buy movies online for 15$? when you can get the full quality, multi-language dvd with extras and box and so on for the same money? and in addition to that, we can buy it here in the eu. but we can't buy any content, yeah great, thanx!
the airport then again, is cool , allready ordered one
don't get me wrong, I worrship the ground steve jobs walks on, but some things are quite annoying to me.....
but still, the phone r0xx
I am not an expert on phone service, so please correct me if I'm wrong...but for all the people complaining about the fact that it's not unlocked....who is to say that if it was unlocked your preferred service provider would even support half of these features? Apple went with cingular for a reason, perhaps because its the only nationwide company that can support the hefty features on the iPhone. And maybe Cingular is also planning on upgrading the EDGE service soon to coincide with the iPhone release.
Also from CNN
"Despite all these bells and whistles, Jobs said the "killer app is making calls." The iPhone will operate on the GSM protocol, but won't have third-generation broadband initially. Jobs said that 3G capability is coming. It will also sync with the Mac's Address Book application."
3G is coming!
Also from CNN
"Despite all these bells and whistles, Jobs said the "killer app is making calls." The iPhone will operate on the GSM protocol, but won't have third-generation broadband initially. Jobs said that 3G capability is coming. It will also sync with the Mac's Address Book application."
3G is coming!
Verizon Stinks in Salt Lake City
And Verizon STINKS in Salt Lake City.
So again, cell service is not perfect, but the iPhone seems to be. I will accept bad service for a good phone anyday as I really want the PDF and websurfing functions when I travel.
And Verizon STINKS in Salt Lake City.
So again, cell service is not perfect, but the iPhone seems to be. I will accept bad service for a good phone anyday as I really want the PDF and websurfing functions when I travel.
jobs wants you to buy another one when the battery dies
i can def. afford one but not so sure i will jump and get one in june. i go out basically every night in nyc and the "touchscreen" will take some serious abuse day in/day out. note: i switched from t-mobile to cingular just recently and in nyc, at least, the reception is much better w/ cingluar. i never got reception in my work studio in soho but now i get full reception. i guess it all depends on where you be.
someone posted that this iphone will be the future form factor of a basic widescreen ipod and i completely agree. with over 200 patents for this device, it's quite obvious the same technology will be incorporated into generation 6 of the ipod as soon as the cost of parts goes down a bit after producing the initial run of the iphone. apple will sell millions and millons of these as well.
great job! it's funny to see microsoft announing that zune will incorporate games in '08! wow, that's great. microsoft has sooooo much money for research and development and all they do is follow the pack. such a shame.
NOT!
For the first time I realize Apple is no longer making products for me. It's gonna cost $60 of more per month to use all those features about 90% of which I have no use for at all. The tech is wonderful. Waiting 6 months to get one is also a very bad thing. In any event like I said before I ain't switching from Verizon to Cingular for no freaking Apple phone no matter how "cool" it may be. It ain't that cool from where I sit which is 99% at the desktop Not On The Road which I have retired from.
I hate to inform you of it, but companies almost never make products for individuals. It just isn't profitable that way.
It's a truly incredible phone/pda. It's blown me away. Absolute genius design and interface.
I am not complaining, it is still early days (especially for us in the UK, the early days aren't for another 9 months at least), but I am a commuter. I work 12 hours a day and have 3 hour journey either side of that. Because of this, I watch a hell of a lot of video on my 30gb iPod. The 30gb is just about enough space, but I have to regular change whats on it and am left with very little space with all the music on there as well, and there's no room at all for the photos. So I would have loved a 100gb version of this, or just the 6g iPod being fullscreen. This may well come later, as I imagine from Apple's point of view by combining the phone with the fullscreen iPod they merge sales and therefore gain more marketshare in the phone category.
Also, there are certain features that are missing, that may well be added, or may even be there but not mentioned, such as playing games that I shelled out so much money for on iTunes. I'm guessing these will need to be rewritten in order to work with the touch interface, and to be widescreen I guess.
However, apart from that, the phone itself is truly incredible. A truly fantastic device that has surpassed my every expectation. From the look of it they got it bang on. But we'll see in Q4 I guess.
I am not complaining, it is still early days (especially for us in the UK, the early days aren't for another 9 months at least), but I am a commuter. I work 12 hours a day and have 3 hour journey either side of that. Because of this, I watch a hell of a lot of video on my 30gb iPod. The 30gb is just about enough space, but I have to regular change whats on it and am left with very little space with all the music on there as well, and there's no room at all for the photos. So I would have loved a 100gb version of this, or just the 6g iPod being fullscreen. This may well come later, as I imagine from Apple's point of view by combining the phone with the fullscreen iPod they merge sales and therefore gain more marketshare in the phone category.
Also, there are certain features that are missing, that may well be added, or may even be there but not mentioned, such as playing games that I shelled out so much money for on iTunes. I'm guessing these will need to be rewritten in order to work with the touch interface, and to be widescreen I guess.
However, apart from that, the phone itself is truly incredible. A truly fantastic device that has surpassed my every expectation. From the look of it they got it bang on. But we'll see in Q4 I guess.
The US is quite a bit larger than any country in Europe. It's not easy for these companies to have coverage everywhere here.i keep reading about how bad everyone's reception is....
is it really that bad in the us? and no 3g? I thought you guys were the leading country in the world.... here in europe you have 3g in every major city, and in addition to that, perfect signal with ANY carrier almost anywhere, (at least in Germany, France and Greece, that's where I have tested it) so since all carriers offer about the same here, I won't really care for which one it comes out, I will get it anyway because aside from the lack of 3g (which still might be incorporated for the eu market) it really is a revolution, instead of having to use 3 devices (phone, ipod, pda) I would have to use just one... sweet
oh one more thing, I guess the reason for the delay here is that in the us apple had to negotiate one deal, here in europe, they'd have to negotiate deals in every single country, so it would pbly take some time, then again they could just cut the crap and unlock it (or someone else will do it semi-legally
Why do people need 3G when there's Wi-Fi on the phone? Just curious.
I like the phone, i understand why it's Cingular only, but damn I wish they would have mentioned or hinted that it's unlocked.
Then again, I might just sign up for a two year contract and pay the early termination fee after getting it unlocked. Should be about the cost of subsidizing it, no?
I like the phone, i understand why it's Cingular only, but damn I wish they would have mentioned or hinted that it's unlocked.
Then again, I might just sign up for a two year contract and pay the early termination fee after getting it unlocked.
Should be about the cost of subsidizing it, no?
Why all the Google and Yahoo integration deals but leaving us .Mac subscribers out of the loop?
I haven't read through all the pages -- but there seems to be a common question re: the usage of wifi and the cingular edge network, etc.
Let me try to answer ---
Cingular's edge/wifi network work in conjunction with each other.
My Cingular 8125 has both wifi and edge. When I am at home, or in the office (two places where i have wifi) if I use the phone for internet browsing, instant messaging, checking email, etc. -- the phone logs into my wifi network and uses it just fine.
If I am out on the highway, or in the middle of a football stadium, or someplace where I don't have access to wifi -- the phone logs into the edge network, and uses the edge network to browse the internet, check email, instant message, etc. Granted- it is MUCH MUCH MUCH slower than wifi-- but it still gives me the capability to get access to those things when I am far away from an access point.
Using wifi is free.
Using Cingular's edge costs you money, based upon the amount of data that gets exchanged over the network. I have the unlimited data plan (currently $39 a month) which lets me use the phone's internet explorer, instant messaging, email, etc. --- ANYWHERE I can get Cingular's network.
The phone automatically switches between the two networks. In a wifi zone -- it will use wifi. No wifi -- it will use edge.
One exciting thing about this phone to me is the bluetooth capability. Bluetooth keyboard, anyone?
As for them selecting cingular-- that shouldn't really be surprising given the relationship they have had with CIngular with the previous couple phones.
Also--- as some others have indicated -- with the inclusion of the selective graphical voicemail capability (which sounds pretty cool, but I have to wonder how often I'd actually use the thing) they are going to have to have a phone network that will work with the phone -- otherwise, that particular function is crippled.
Let me try to answer ---
Cingular's edge/wifi network work in conjunction with each other.
My Cingular 8125 has both wifi and edge. When I am at home, or in the office (two places where i have wifi) if I use the phone for internet browsing, instant messaging, checking email, etc. -- the phone logs into my wifi network and uses it just fine.
If I am out on the highway, or in the middle of a football stadium, or someplace where I don't have access to wifi -- the phone logs into the edge network, and uses the edge network to browse the internet, check email, instant message, etc. Granted- it is MUCH MUCH MUCH slower than wifi-- but it still gives me the capability to get access to those things when I am far away from an access point.
Using wifi is free.
Using Cingular's edge costs you money, based upon the amount of data that gets exchanged over the network. I have the unlimited data plan (currently $39 a month) which lets me use the phone's internet explorer, instant messaging, email, etc. --- ANYWHERE I can get Cingular's network.
The phone automatically switches between the two networks. In a wifi zone -- it will use wifi. No wifi -- it will use edge.
One exciting thing about this phone to me is the bluetooth capability. Bluetooth keyboard, anyone?
As for them selecting cingular-- that shouldn't really be surprising given the relationship they have had with CIngular with the previous couple phones.
Also--- as some others have indicated -- with the inclusion of the selective graphical voicemail capability (which sounds pretty cool, but I have to wonder how often I'd actually use the thing) they are going to have to have a phone network that will work with the phone -- otherwise, that particular function is crippled.
Why do people need 3G when there's Wi-Fi on the phone? Just curious.
I like the phone, i understand why it's Cingular only, but damn I wish they would have mentioned or hinted that it's unlocked.
Then again, I might just sign up for a two year contract and pay the early termination fee after getting it unlocked.
It's not always easy to unlock a phone. I'd hold off and wait until you read enough reports of people either buying them and finding they're unlocked anyway, or of a successful procedure, that you're intimate with, to unlock such phones.
Being locked into a two year contract having to pay at least $30 a month for a service you don't want with a phone that's effectively a brick if you don't use the service is going to suck. Be careful with that strategy, it might bite you.
50 - 50 on comments here is not a success I would imagin, in Apples eyes.
While the product looks good, the ridiculous pricing and policy with a 2 year contract + monthly usage fee and not available until june seems like apple just wanted to promote it's not ready or completly thought out phone before others show similar.
My god, who wants to drop $1,100.00 minimum on a cell phone even if it scrambles eggs.
Drop it, loose it, and look ma, a big waste of money.
Pass!
While the product looks good, the ridiculous pricing and policy with a 2 year contract + monthly usage fee and not available until june seems like apple just wanted to promote it's not ready or completly thought out phone before others show similar.
My god, who wants to drop $1,100.00 minimum on a cell phone even if it scrambles eggs.
Drop it, loose it, and look ma, a big waste of money.
Pass!
I wasn't talking about little town's in the middle of nowhere whith one "main street" and "uptown" and "downtown" with 120 inhabitants
(I've been to places like that in Arizona, how can ppl seriously live there )ppl here were talking about major citys such as nyc, minneapolis or salt lake city.. and besides that in greece, a small country which is definately poorer thant the us you have perfect reception on every god damn island, no matter how small it is
(then again we greeks are obsessed with cell phones )
Uma?
I wonder if the WiFi will be used to deliver UMA in the near future?
For me, GSM doesn't work in my house, but CDMA does. However, a GSM/UMA device like what T-Mobile has in the pipeline would let me switch from GSM outside the house to using my WiFi inside - hopefully they can do it without call drops.
I think this is an amazing device, and costwise doesn't seem much worse than a Palm+nano.
I can wait for rev2 with more flash, UMA, and HSDPA. And if the other carriers want to step up and support the Video Voicemail and such, that would be good too.
I wonder if the WiFi will be used to deliver UMA in the near future?
For me, GSM doesn't work in my house, but CDMA does. However, a GSM/UMA device like what T-Mobile has in the pipeline would let me switch from GSM outside the house to using my WiFi inside - hopefully they can do it without call drops.
I think this is an amazing device, and costwise doesn't seem much worse than a Palm+nano.
I can wait for rev2 with more flash, UMA, and HSDPA. And if the other carriers want to step up and support the Video Voicemail and such, that would be good too.
The only thing missing
The only thing missing is an iSight camera so you can have one to one video calls
The only thing missing is an iSight camera so you can have one to one video calls
I agree.
I happen to be on Cingular and don't really understand where all the hate comes from. I'm certainly not loyal to them, and would have jumped ship for whichever provider this landed on.
This phone blows everything out of the water. June can't get here fast enough for me.
Huh? How are they missing the point? It's not as if the device is available without a Cingular contract, not even in phoneless form. And if it was, there wouldn't be these complaints.
What can I say? I want it!!!!
But I am a bit concerned with them calling the OS it runs "OS X". It is obviously misleading judging by some of the posts here. I would like to see what room it has for 3rd party development though. Looks like it could handle games well.
But I am a bit concerned with them calling the OS it runs "OS X". It is obviously misleading judging by some of the posts here. I would like to see what room it has for 3rd party development though. Looks like it could handle games well.
50 - 50 on comments here is not a success I would imagin, in Apples eyes.
While the product looks good, the ridiculous pricing and policy with a 2 year contract + monthly usage fee and not available until june seems like apple just wanted to promote it's not ready or completly thought out phone before others show similar.
My god, who wants to drop $1,100.00 minimum on a cell phone even if it scrambles eggs.
Drop it, loose it, and look ma, a big waste of money.
Pass!
See here, this is what I'm talking about...
Much of what the complaints here are pretty much industry standard offerings (two year contract, data plan, etc.). Why focus on these things when every other carrier is offering them on their big ticket items?
Yup
Yeah. Is it the case that you can use Wi-Fi whenever you have it, which Im guessing will be reasonable fast, and then rely on EDGE whenever you don't? I'm sure it's been summarized a thousand times already, but can someone explain how much it sucks to not have 3G?
Count me as one of those that think its amazing and comes pretty close to the hype. I'm just not sure yet on whether it's worth leaving Big Red for this.
It's like asking me if I want a beautiful girlfriend with whom I can't discuss anything or if I want an ugly one that says and thinks about everything just rightly and gets on with me swimmingly. I hate sacrificing either of those dimensions. Maybe Id rather just not have a girlfriend and not have a phone/thing either.
Yeah. Is it the case that you can use Wi-Fi whenever you have it, which Im guessing will be reasonable fast, and then rely on EDGE whenever you don't? I'm sure it's been summarized a thousand times already, but can someone explain how much it sucks to not have 3G?
Count me as one of those that think its amazing and comes pretty close to the hype. I'm just not sure yet on whether it's worth leaving Big Red for this.
It's like asking me if I want a beautiful girlfriend with whom I can't discuss anything or if I want an ugly one that says and thinks about everything just rightly and gets on with me swimmingly. I hate sacrificing either of those dimensions. Maybe Id rather just not have a girlfriend and not have a phone/thing either.
Cosign!
If you ask everyone about the national cell providers, everyone thinks everyone else sucks. If it wasnt Cingular and some other provider, then all the other people would be complaining.
Also the people complaining that this phone is unlocked obviously dont understand how cell phone technology, policy,and politics work in this country.
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