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Apple Announces The iPhone
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My point was that a few large companies offer nationwide coverage and for them it is hard to get great coverage in every single large city which there are hundreds of.I wasn't talking about little town's in the middle of nowhere whith one "main street" and "uptown" and "downtown" with 120 inhabitants(I've been to places like that in Arizona, how can ppl seriously live there
ppl here were talking about major citys such as nyc, minneapolis or salt lake city.. and besides that in greece, a small country which is definately poorer thant the us you have perfect reception on every god damn island, no matter how small it is
NEWTON LOVERS ARE HOME AGAIN!!!!
The lack of "vision" by those with negative comments on this thread is breath-taking.
Not a "Mac" Product? Check again. What do you call a device that runs "Mac" OSX? This is the most amazing portable "mac" ever, even if it sports a different name.
This phone is quite simply the most advance piece of personal technology ever developed. That is not hyperbole. How long have the cell phone manufacturers been trying to get a device this good? They haven't even come close.
For us fans of the Newton (rip, good buddy), this device will replace it for us. I make the assumption that it will either ship with or an app will be developed for use with Rosetta. Handwriting recognition. (I know, Steve said no stylus, but work with me here).
As for being rev. a...don't forget, Apple is now the world's leading authority on portable music devices, so it's not like they enter this field with no portable experience. I expect this device to impress out of the box.
As for price...the death of the Newton came when people complained about the price; so, to fill that void, Palm gave us a decade of fake pda's "priced right." In other words, people wanted to pay $99, so Palm gave it to them, even though the devices sucked.
Finally...this will be bigger than the iPod. The Phone market is astronomically larger than the mp3 player market. And, just as apple launched with a single model iPod, they will eventually have a full range of phones.
This is historic, and you naysayers need to back off of your petty complaints.
The lack of "vision" by those with negative comments on this thread is breath-taking.
Not a "Mac" Product? Check again. What do you call a device that runs "Mac" OSX? This is the most amazing portable "mac" ever, even if it sports a different name.
This phone is quite simply the most advance piece of personal technology ever developed. That is not hyperbole. How long have the cell phone manufacturers been trying to get a device this good? They haven't even come close.
For us fans of the Newton (rip, good buddy), this device will replace it for us. I make the assumption that it will either ship with or an app will be developed for use with Rosetta. Handwriting recognition. (I know, Steve said no stylus, but work with me here).
As for being rev. a...don't forget, Apple is now the world's leading authority on portable music devices, so it's not like they enter this field with no portable experience. I expect this device to impress out of the box.
As for price...the death of the Newton came when people complained about the price; so, to fill that void, Palm gave us a decade of fake pda's "priced right." In other words, people wanted to pay $99, so Palm gave it to them, even though the devices sucked.
Finally...this will be bigger than the iPod. The Phone market is astronomically larger than the mp3 player market. And, just as apple launched with a single model iPod, they will eventually have a full range of phones.
This is historic, and you naysayers need to back off of your petty complaints.
Re: all the iPhone bashing.
Cingular has been fine for me. They were my first provider way back in 1998. I recently switched to T-Mobile, but my contract just expired and I'm switching back. Other than one dead spot at my mom's apartment, the coverage has been excellent.
Also, what's wrong with the price? I paid about $550 for my 2g 20gb iPod (incl. tax, also had to buy a $30 firewire pci card). I'd be fine to shell out about that much for a new iPod/PDA, and having the phone/camera means one less thing in my pocket.
My only gripe is the 8gb. It's barely enough to work with for videos, mp3s, and PDA, and I have a feeling 16gb is right around the corner.
Also, does anybody have pictures of the back of this phone?
Cingular has been fine for me. They were my first provider way back in 1998. I recently switched to T-Mobile, but my contract just expired and I'm switching back. Other than one dead spot at my mom's apartment, the coverage has been excellent.
Also, what's wrong with the price? I paid about $550 for my 2g 20gb iPod (incl. tax, also had to buy a $30 firewire pci card). I'd be fine to shell out about that much for a new iPod/PDA, and having the phone/camera means one less thing in my pocket.
My only gripe is the 8gb. It's barely enough to work with for videos, mp3s, and PDA, and I have a feeling 16gb is right around the corner.
Also, does anybody have pictures of the back of this phone?
Lack of storage
Make no mistake, the device is brilliant. And because it comes within 95% of doing what each individual wants, the remaining 5% of features are causing the disproportionate bitching since this product is as close it comes to perfection (in an announcement anyway), hence the outcry. Oh and other factors which are nothing to do with the *technology* (like price, carrier, release date, etc.) are also the primary complaints. I think the product, especially for Apple's first phone, is superb.
The lack of storage is going to be a real issue because the device is meant to play videos, music, store photos, etc. 8GB doesn't cut it, we'll have SD cards of that capacity by then (they're already up to 4GB). But maybe there are some unannounced features? Take a look at:
http://www.myiphone.com/first-apple-iphone-images-from-macworld-expo-2007-09173.php
On the side, what is the longer black strip underneath the black dot? Is that in indent in the centre of the black strip? Like an SD card slot? I would have like a built in HD as well, but if that *is* an SD/SDHC slot, then our storage worries are baseless.
Make no mistake, the device is brilliant. And because it comes within 95% of doing what each individual wants, the remaining 5% of features are causing the disproportionate bitching since this product is as close it comes to perfection (in an announcement anyway), hence the outcry. Oh and other factors which are nothing to do with the *technology* (like price, carrier, release date, etc.) are also the primary complaints. I think the product, especially for Apple's first phone, is superb.
The lack of storage is going to be a real issue because the device is meant to play videos, music, store photos, etc. 8GB doesn't cut it, we'll have SD cards of that capacity by then (they're already up to 4GB). But maybe there are some unannounced features? Take a look at:
http://www.myiphone.com/first-apple-iphone-images-from-macworld-expo-2007-09173.php
On the side, what is the longer black strip underneath the black dot? Is that in indent in the centre of the black strip? Like an SD card slot? I would have like a built in HD as well, but if that *is* an SD/SDHC slot, then our storage worries are baseless.
Yes it does have a GPS according to CNN
"The phone supports Wi-Fi and Bluetooth wireless technology and can detect location from Global Positioning System satellites..."
http://www.cnn.com/2007/TECH/ptech/01/09/apple.macworld.ap/index.html
I think many of the complainers are right on to complain - locked, cingular, etc. However what we have here is a new platform (as others have indicated) Essentially a huge playground of new possibilities.
For a tiny window into those possibilities: A GPS by itself isn't much, but a GPS with access to OS X and all the other functionalities in the phone allow for some yet unimagined cross-polinizations. The ecosystem that apple has set in motion here is beyond our current ability to grasp.
And no one anytime soon is going to be able to touch the synergy apple has here - 200 patents will help too!
Nope this device does not have any built-in GPS technologies. Google mapping is running just as if you were running it from your desktop/laptop.
It *is* pretty awsome , though!
yep ... they are changing all right ..
old with the classy double layered white toilet'y plastic apple look to this new shiny sleek black .. apple computers inc. to apple inc. ... introducing a phone at macworld (only cuz it runs on 'mac' os x doesnt justify an hour long rant with yahoo and google goofs giving appearances) when it used to be for macs ... disappoiting many thousands+me who were expecting atleast updates on OS 10.5 ... 64 bit arch. .. maybe a little more of those top secret features, when job used to be so considerate ... no new displays ... oh yeah thanks for the new airport base station though! ..
so yeah ... apples changing ..
[EDIT] oh yeah forgot ...... steve was wearing brown today .. not black ..... apple's changing!!!!!!!
[edit] ... no it is black .. the pics at engadget made it look brown ..now watchin keynote .. it is black
old with the classy double layered white toilet'y plastic apple look to this new shiny sleek black .. apple computers inc. to apple inc. ... introducing a phone at macworld (only cuz it runs on 'mac' os x doesnt justify an hour long rant with yahoo and google goofs giving appearances) when it used to be for macs ... disappoiting many thousands+me who were expecting atleast updates on OS 10.5 ... 64 bit arch. .. maybe a little more of those top secret features, when job used to be so considerate ... no new displays ... oh yeah thanks for the new airport base station though! ..
so yeah ... apples changing ..
[EDIT] oh yeah forgot ...... steve was wearing brown today .. not black ..... apple's changing!!!!!!!
[edit] ... no it is black .. the pics at engadget made it look brown ..now watchin keynote .. it is black
So now we know why it took so long to come out!
True, it may be expensive and locked and other things people are upset about, but seriously, look at it. Though I didn't know it, this is exactly what I wanted, and exactly what we all want, really. Did we want another phone with all the right technical specifications but the same old UI? No, that phone already exists, made by other companies, for cheaper than apple could.
What we hoped and dreamed for, why we wanted apple to make a phone at all, was not because we wanted the sets of features on existing phones put together in the package we laid out on these forums. What we wanted was another feature set, another way of navigating, that we couldn't have imagined, and yet is so simple and intuitive, it seems it should be obvious. What we really wanted was only one thing- something simultaneously revolutionary and familiar.
And I'd say we got it. a phone without buttons. Voicemail that no longer thinks it's on a tape. Seemless integration of fully capable applications, so we can do things like look up and send information to people as we talk with them about it, unhindered by the devices we are using. It's like mac users frequently say about the system- it's not so great because of things you experience using it, but because of how little you experience the computer, and how much is left for you to experience whatever it is you are doing.
Of course we also want it cheap and feature packed, with all the latest and greatest, but then again we always want everything, and never actually get it, because it isn't possible. Tech specs always dissapoint in some aspect. Apple isn't going after the greatest tech specs for the dollar, they're going for acceptable, and a much better experience, because that is where the profits are, and that is where the innovation is.
I'd say the price, while high, is to be expected for such a spectacular device. The specifications, while not outstanding, are quite reasonable. And the experience of the device- absolutely extraordinary.
I do have two concerns, though. The obvious durability and smudgability of the screen will have to be seen in july. And second -- it's an ipod, without a clickwheel! It seems like such a loss of a great innovation, I'm not sure....
True, it may be expensive and locked and other things people are upset about, but seriously, look at it. Though I didn't know it, this is exactly what I wanted, and exactly what we all want, really. Did we want another phone with all the right technical specifications but the same old UI? No, that phone already exists, made by other companies, for cheaper than apple could.
What we hoped and dreamed for, why we wanted apple to make a phone at all, was not because we wanted the sets of features on existing phones put together in the package we laid out on these forums. What we wanted was another feature set, another way of navigating, that we couldn't have imagined, and yet is so simple and intuitive, it seems it should be obvious. What we really wanted was only one thing- something simultaneously revolutionary and familiar.
And I'd say we got it. a phone without buttons. Voicemail that no longer thinks it's on a tape. Seemless integration of fully capable applications, so we can do things like look up and send information to people as we talk with them about it, unhindered by the devices we are using. It's like mac users frequently say about the system- it's not so great because of things you experience using it, but because of how little you experience the computer, and how much is left for you to experience whatever it is you are doing.
Of course we also want it cheap and feature packed, with all the latest and greatest, but then again we always want everything, and never actually get it, because it isn't possible. Tech specs always dissapoint in some aspect. Apple isn't going after the greatest tech specs for the dollar, they're going for acceptable, and a much better experience, because that is where the profits are, and that is where the innovation is.
I'd say the price, while high, is to be expected for such a spectacular device. The specifications, while not outstanding, are quite reasonable. And the experience of the device- absolutely extraordinary.
I do have two concerns, though. The obvious durability and smudgability of the screen will have to be seen in july. And second -- it's an ipod, without a clickwheel! It seems like such a loss of a great innovation, I'm not sure....
As one of the apple phone naysayers, I must admit I was fairly impressed with the presentation of the iPhone. While there are still many questions to be answered regarding their "exclusive" contract with Cingular, the "included" 2-year contract, and the snub to the larger mobile markets of Europe and Asia, I can see this new device changing the way people think about their mobile communications. I'm even considering getting one when my current contract expires (in Summer of '08). Hopefully by then all the kinks will be worked out and it will be the smooth apple experience we all hoped for.
On that note, I was still very disappointed by this year's MacWorld. Basically "iPod is better than the Zune, here's the iTV...err apple TV, and a brand new phone! Bye" No question the iPhone is innovative (I expect nothing less from apple), but the keynote was not. Here's looking forward to the mid-February press event and some products that are actually available.
On that note, I was still very disappointed by this year's MacWorld. Basically "iPod is better than the Zune, here's the iTV...err apple TV, and a brand new phone! Bye" No question the iPhone is innovative (I expect nothing less from apple), but the keynote was not. Here's looking forward to the mid-February press event and some products that are actually available.
Well, at least no you know what to ask for come Christmas...
I was kind of missing those, too...
Exactly. What a beautiful machine. But I don't need/want the phone capabilities. I'd buy it in a heartbeat if it were skype enabled over wifi and had the rest of the features. Then it would be useful to me. As it stands? I don't want a 2 yr. contract with Cingular.
At first sight it looks good.. though as discussed, it has a few shortcomings mainly in terms of availability. America isn't at the forefront of mobile technology (well until this phone came out).. and there'd be a massive market outside of it..
I'm genuinely surprised it's not a 3G phone... Even in Australia, with the koalas and kangaroos, 3G is becoming standard rather than a luxury with most carriers expected to offer it this year sometime.. then countries like Japan (where I doubt the phone will ever be offered) have had it for yonks!
I'm genuinely surprised it's not a 3G phone... Even in Australia, with the koalas and kangaroos, 3G is becoming standard rather than a luxury with most carriers expected to offer it this year sometime.. then countries like Japan (where I doubt the phone will ever be offered) have had it for yonks!
http://www.myiphone.com/first-apple-iphone-images-from-macworld-expo-2007-09173.php
The entire keynote didn't show the back or sides of the device properly. I really really hope that black thing is indeed an SD card slot.
The entire keynote didn't show the back or sides of the device properly. I really really hope that black thing is indeed an SD card slot.
Cryin' like some ol' Ho...
What a bunch o' psuedo-entitled, whining b!tches. I've been a member of this Forum for a good long time and never heard so much cryin'.
It's not gonna make you breakfast or wipe your @ss. Get over it. Go outside. Get some air.
Damn.
What a bunch o' psuedo-entitled, whining b!tches. I've been a member of this Forum for a good long time and never heard so much cryin'.
It's not gonna make you breakfast or wipe your @ss. Get over it. Go outside. Get some air.
Damn.
I'm disappointed in the all-in-one package. Is this an iPod or is it a phone? and 4 gigs or 8 gigs? Come on. That's nothing. It's got great features, but it shouldn't be pimped as an iPod and people shouldn't be calling this the video iPod.
Hopefully there will be an actual true video iPod sometime in the near future because the current offering really seems to limit the base of people who could use it.
Hopefully there will be an actual true video iPod sometime in the near future because the current offering really seems to limit the base of people who could use it.
Keynote Address video now avaliable on apple website!
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
http://events.apple.com.edgesuite.net/j47d52oo/event/
The website for it is painful. The little demo clips stop every 2 seconds. As for the phone itself, you have to be brain dead to pay $600 for a cell phone, even one this cool. Also, where's the iPod only version? Looks like it's going to be a refurb Video for me.
Steve did say that 3G support is coming to the phone - when we don't know, perhaps sometime in 2007. Anyone know more?
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