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Apple Announces The iPhone
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more thoughts after watching the keynote
well, i managed to watch the keynote in full last night and i have some more thoughts that may have already been mentioned here:
- steve's RDF was in full, massive effect. he looked good and energized, making jokes, etc. it was the steve we all know and love... or is it fear?
-watching the phone work was like seeing a scene from any "futuristic" action thriller (think "I, Robot" or "Minority Report") which has a lot of cool looking futuristic UI stuff going on. it was THAT cool.
-i love the size but i am already tense about people putting it in a pocket next to keys, etc. interested to see what cases and whatnot pop up for it
-still not going to get it if it is only on Cingular
-curious about how well the touch screen actually works - the steve makes it look great
-really want to know if it is going to be an open platform for 3rd party developers
-does it work with itunes on windows?
-someone else said that calling it an iPhone is too limiting, and i agree. this is what the UMPC and the OQO want to be. the combination of touch screen + wireless connectivity + flash storage + "open" operating system (hopefully) really does make this the iWalk everyone wants to have. as a platform i think it is going to usher in a whole new slew of devices that really start to deliver on the promises of the tablet/pda/smartphone/UMPC/laptop all in a way that works seamlessly. this thing with an 8" screen, apple remote, 80GB hard drive and a few ports for video out, etc. would be an incredible semi-laptop that a lot of people would cream over for mobile information, web browsing, presentation, media sharing, etc. i think of it less as the "iPhone" and more as the "iPlatform" that can be greatly extended.
-overall i am even more impressed and even more convinced that i will not buy one in June.
well, i managed to watch the keynote in full last night and i have some more thoughts that may have already been mentioned here:
- steve's RDF was in full, massive effect. he looked good and energized, making jokes, etc. it was the steve we all know and love... or is it fear?
-watching the phone work was like seeing a scene from any "futuristic" action thriller (think "I, Robot" or "Minority Report") which has a lot of cool looking futuristic UI stuff going on. it was THAT cool.
-i love the size but i am already tense about people putting it in a pocket next to keys, etc. interested to see what cases and whatnot pop up for it
-still not going to get it if it is only on Cingular
-curious about how well the touch screen actually works - the steve makes it look great
-really want to know if it is going to be an open platform for 3rd party developers
-does it work with itunes on windows?
-someone else said that calling it an iPhone is too limiting, and i agree. this is what the UMPC and the OQO want to be. the combination of touch screen + wireless connectivity + flash storage + "open" operating system (hopefully) really does make this the iWalk everyone wants to have. as a platform i think it is going to usher in a whole new slew of devices that really start to deliver on the promises of the tablet/pda/smartphone/UMPC/laptop all in a way that works seamlessly. this thing with an 8" screen, apple remote, 80GB hard drive and a few ports for video out, etc. would be an incredible semi-laptop that a lot of people would cream over for mobile information, web browsing, presentation, media sharing, etc. i think of it less as the "iPhone" and more as the "iPlatform" that can be greatly extended.
-overall i am even more impressed and even more convinced that i will not buy one in June.
Good point. I just wanted to make sure about that since it is OS X and it's gotta have a good amount of space for it somewhere. I should've thought about that more. Thanks.
One could guess that maybe this is why it is avaliable in June '07 in the US and Q4 '07 in the EU.
Because when it hits the EU, it'll be tailored for that market in the form of UMTS support and 3G support since it is more prevalent there.
I'm not singling you out for the rest of this, this is just in general to the rest of the semi anti-US release comments.
For those of you pointing and laughing about how we don't have 3G yet. Please take your tiny little country and superimpose it over the United States. note the rather dramatic difference in geography. that requires a lot more towers, a lot more money, and the population density of those areas isn't near the density it is in your geographical smallness so the risk/reward of putting in a 3G tower to replace a less than 5 year old 2G tower isn't so high, and as a company wanting to make some money you don't necessarily upgrade to 3G right away, especially if your user base isn't clamoring for it.
Now in select larger cities with a huge density of population things are being rolled out to 3G. This is just like when CDMA hit or GSM hit. We saw it pop up in cities, and then roll out slowly over two years or more. Again it's a density of population.
As far as the few 'neener neener you don't use mobile phones in the states mate' type comments, not sure how you decide who uses phones or not but in a small sampling of individuals I'm aware of (around 500 - 700) I do not know of a single one who does not own a mobile phone. So I'm not sure how you measure that unless you're mistaken.
Europe tiny (wikipedia has it bigger than the USA)? We also have the trouble of it being many different countries. The US is just one.
No 3G
8Gb instead of 80gb
Ugly design (non apple)
U$599 + 2 years of contract
No revolutionary at all... you can find a lot of the functions in so many products that probably the only innovation is the auto-portrait thing and it might be even out there...
So no iPhone for me now until probably rev 4... like I said before, Sony P990 is a much better device and it was released without that super secret egotistical presentation of 1 hour and without so much secrecy.
8Gb instead of 80gb
Ugly design (non apple)
U$599 + 2 years of contract
No revolutionary at all... you can find a lot of the functions in so many products that probably the only innovation is the auto-portrait thing and it might be even out there...
So no iPhone for me now until probably rev 4... like I said before, Sony P990 is a much better device and it was released without that super secret egotistical presentation of 1 hour and without so much secrecy.
Not a repost, just incorrect. They lock their handsets. After six months of service they will unlock them no charge.
Do yourself a favour and look at the Keynote. Whilst this device has it's glaringly obvious limitations, the interface alone is enough to earn it the 'revolutionary' tag.
As for the price, well it's a high end luxury good. Not all people can afford Rolexes either
Blah, this is sad, everyone hates Apple now...
I for one think that the iPhone is a mind-blowing product, for people who spend 3000$ on a Mac Pro or 2500$ on a MacBookPro, saying that the phone is unbelievably expensive is simply forgetting what we all say when PC users claim that Mac's are overpriced: "Quality has a price"
Just like that... 499$ is fair IMO. I'll buy the 4GB version, I have a 2GB first gen Nano and the music that I REALLY need "on the go" fits there with no problem, in fact I always end up with 500MB of music that I really don't listen to anyway, and yes, I have a music library of >20GB on my Mac and 2GB is enough for my daily usage!
That being said, you people have very high standards and are very picky, I still can't believe how so many of you are completely trashing Apple for making this original, brilliant, thought out Phone just because it doesn't have your "name written on it".
FWIW, I congratulate Apple for making such a product, they really are ahead of their time.
I for one think that the iPhone is a mind-blowing product, for people who spend 3000$ on a Mac Pro or 2500$ on a MacBookPro, saying that the phone is unbelievably expensive is simply forgetting what we all say when PC users claim that Mac's are overpriced: "Quality has a price"
Just like that... 499$ is fair IMO. I'll buy the 4GB version, I have a 2GB first gen Nano and the music that I REALLY need "on the go" fits there with no problem, in fact I always end up with 500MB of music that I really don't listen to anyway, and yes, I have a music library of >20GB on my Mac and 2GB is enough for my daily usage!
That being said, you people have very high standards and are very picky, I still can't believe how so many of you are completely trashing Apple for making this original, brilliant, thought out Phone just because it doesn't have your "name written on it".
FWIW, I congratulate Apple for making such a product, they really are ahead of their time.
Do yourself a favour and look at the Keynote. Whilst this device has it's glaringly obvious limitations, the interface alone is enough to earn it the 'revolutionary' tag.
As for the price, well it's a high end luxury good. Not all people can afford Rolexes either
Do yourself a favor... stop being a fanboy and get back to reality.
No revolutionary at all... nice but not revolutionary!
Here is a feature I'd like to see:
Powerpoint/Keynote playback. This way I don't even have to take my laptop with me to presentations just a minijack to composite adaptor
Powerpoint/Keynote playback. This way I don't even have to take my laptop with me to presentations just a minijack to composite adaptor
Wow, 30 pages of hate.
The reality is that in order to have the revolutionary features like random access voice mail, conference, wifi email while on a call, and all that you HAVE TO PARTNER WITH A COMPANY like Cingular. Would it be nicer to get this unlocked without contracts at the same price? Sure, but then how would you get those features? You'd just have a phone/ipod. Maybe a less expensive phonepod will come later without the highend features, but regardless of future speculation the iPhone is by far the most advanced phone out there even if it doesn't cater to every single one of your pet issues.
I wish it was on Tmobile for $20/month, but I know it won't happen so I'll check out the offer in June and if it works for me I'll suck it up and switch over and have the best phone I've ever seen and not have to carry around a laptop just to get emails and check the web.
Read the first thread on the iPod release and see how much hating was going on there and how completely wrong it was in the end.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=500
The reality is that in order to have the revolutionary features like random access voice mail, conference, wifi email while on a call, and all that you HAVE TO PARTNER WITH A COMPANY like Cingular. Would it be nicer to get this unlocked without contracts at the same price? Sure, but then how would you get those features? You'd just have a phone/ipod. Maybe a less expensive phonepod will come later without the highend features, but regardless of future speculation the iPhone is by far the most advanced phone out there even if it doesn't cater to every single one of your pet issues.
I wish it was on Tmobile for $20/month, but I know it won't happen so I'll check out the offer in June and if it works for me I'll suck it up and switch over and have the best phone I've ever seen and not have to carry around a laptop just to get emails and check the web.
Read the first thread on the iPod release and see how much hating was going on there and how completely wrong it was in the end.
https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=500
Can it receive corporate email?
I have only one question -- How is my corporation going to push email to this thing (and sync calendar and contacts)? Via Good, BES, ActiveSync, Intellisync?
Apple hasn't cited a single spec suggesting it will work with any of these protocols. If it doesn't, then it is not going to replace a blackberry or smartphone for the majority of businesspeople.
I have only one question -- How is my corporation going to push email to this thing (and sync calendar and contacts)? Via Good, BES, ActiveSync, Intellisync?
Apple hasn't cited a single spec suggesting it will work with any of these protocols. If it doesn't, then it is not going to replace a blackberry or smartphone for the majority of businesspeople.
No fanfoyisms here (read some of my recent posts, I point out a lot of the shortcomings of the device). Honestly though, if you can't see the potential that's cool.
Go and see the Keynote. You have seen it right?
edit: remember thread 500?
I don't agree. The only thing Cingular offers more than any other network is the clickable messagebox, and although I think it is a nice feature, I wouldn't want to join any network for it. All the rest is standard stuff on any network.
No, this is only about money : Cingular offered the most cash to Apple, so they got the contract. And Apple needed a contractor to get the price of the thing down to an acceptable level. Clear and simple
all that's true, it's easy enough. the easiest interface though is a spare battery. the iphone takes apple handheld gizmos out of the "oops, battery's low" recreational device into the "oh ****, no battery" area.
the bottom rear looks like a battery or a door for it, unless they're planning a slide-out keyboard, which i'd love. physical button presses and shapes make me happy. i've never liked touchpad tapping, flat-board typing, or clicking the mighty mouse. mechanical mechanisms click in ear and hand and they work better.
i have the apple adapter. it's too heavy to carry around, for what it does, i use it to power the ipod dock connected to the stereo. the solio charger is more useful because it doesn't require a power outlet. charge it before a trip, then recharge with sun if it and the ipod run low. actually the solio comes with cables to charge phones, you should take a look at it.
on a recent trip i took only the USB cable for the ipod, charged it 3 times on 2 other people's computers. this was fine. but on a serious trip where i seriously needed the phone i would never risk the phone not ringing. bring two batteries, be sure they're both charged before leaving.
Do yourself a favour and look at the Keynote. Whilst this device has it's glaringly obvious limitations, the interface alone is enough to earn it the 'revolutionary' tag.
As for the price, well it's a high end luxury good. Not all people can afford Rolexes either
Do you think Tablet PC's are revolutionary? Cuz they've been out
for 10+ years w/ a touch screen interface, and I've yet to meet
someone who has one.
And the whole "High end luxury" tag was why Apple sucked so much until
the past few years in the first place
Yeah this is what caught my eye. This gives room for improvement on the next update for the iPhone, I guess.
tablet PC's failed because the interface didnt really change. Only the hardware changed!
The Tablet PCs that came to the market werent that good and apart from One Note, you couldnt do anything else...
The Tablet PCs that came to the market werent that good and apart from One Note, you couldnt do anything else...
first of all, i'm quite suprised at how the phone as really split the mac community into factions.
now, i really liked the presentation and the phone is really amazing and i think i would get one except for my one reservation that was not addressed at all during the presentation:
will you be able to turn the phone functionality off to use the ipod/video on a plane. it seems like the only time i'm really using any of the video features or even cary the larger ipod (i used the nano most of the time) is when i'm traveling. if you can't use it on a plane, that would be a very serious shortcoming...
now, i really liked the presentation and the phone is really amazing and i think i would get one except for my one reservation that was not addressed at all during the presentation:
will you be able to turn the phone functionality off to use the ipod/video on a plane. it seems like the only time i'm really using any of the video features or even cary the larger ipod (i used the nano most of the time) is when i'm traveling. if you can't use it on a plane, that would be a very serious shortcoming...
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