Well the iPhone didn't excite me, i thought it was Macworld, not iphoneworld, nothing introduced there had directly anything to do with the mac, i was looking forward seeing a bit more of leopard, and iLife and iWork 07, i never in a million years expected the iPhone would ever come about, i was thing the idea of apple HDTVs was crazy, but it's obvious with the drop of the 'computer' in their name that HDTVs from apple may come around, i'm almost certain, that this will fail, it will be another Cube, there is no market for it, and it's overpriced, only apple Fanboys like me and others on here are going to buy it, i would have preferred a new widescreen ipod, i got real excited when i saw that on the MR live page, but than disappointed when i heard it was a phone, it's a very beautiful and elegant thing with a stunning interface, but just like the cube, but i don't think it's going to have a place in the world, which is a shame, i want it to succeed for steve more than anyone else, hes gonna look a idiot if it doesn't do well
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This is a tiny device that goes in your pocket. It has the ability to contain a load of media and not just that browsing looks acceptable (which is something you can't say about most mobile phones). Email looks nice and computer-like too. The thing syncs seemlessly to your main apple machine too.
Tablet PCs? huh? never used one and wouldn't want to. They are a niche product, this is a mobile phone. What do they have to do with this? They're single touch for a start, much bigger, not always connected....totally different beast when you scratch the surface.
Actually the other way around. The fact that Apple have tried to make cheaper and cheaper devices has arguably led to a lot of the QC issues that have marred the last year.
You did, the iphone was running leopard. See that resolution independent interface?
For all the Apple flamers that are calling us "fanboys", go read the first iPod thread here on MR as stated by another user above, you are just repeating history, saying it sucks and it won't go anywhere, criticizing every single feature, well... in 2/3 years you'll all be reading your comments and thinking: "How could I have such lack of vision?"
iPhone is already ahead, in June it will be even more, and one can imagine where will it be 5 years from now, IMO it's gonna be a boom just like the iPod.
iPhone is already ahead, in June it will be even more, and one can imagine where will it be 5 years from now, IMO it's gonna be a boom just like the iPod.
You can't say it's running the OSX, we have on our macs because it doesn't, it's a scaled down version, you couldn't just drag, Adium or other OSX apps onto it, because it won't work, anyway i'll give it two years before it's removed from the product line
I have just seen the keynote and I have to say that I was not impressed, I was amazed! This is the most revolutionary device that exists on earth.
Have you ever used a Pocket PC Phone Edition? If you have you will see that the "features" look alike...
Well, the truth is that Pocket PCs are slow, the interface isnt friendly at all and you have to used the stylus at some point or/and the keyboard.
I think that the iPhone is a winner because it has:
If that's not revolutionary, then what is it?
As far as the price concerns, I bought three months ago an iPaq hw6915 for 610 Euro. (no contract)
I think that if it would sell for 600 to 700 euro it would be ok
The only question I have is if it supports GPRS. Does anybody know?
EDGE isnt fully available in Germany yet...Maybe till the end of year it will be...
Have you ever used a Pocket PC Phone Edition? If you have you will see that the "features" look alike...
Well, the truth is that Pocket PCs are slow, the interface isnt friendly at all and you have to used the stylus at some point or/and the keyboard.
I think that the iPhone is a winner because it has:
- a very cool design
- the best user interface
- unique touchscreen technology
- Amazing integration with many technologies
- a fantastic screen
- The most amazing feature found in a mobile web browser (zoom in and out by double tapping). Just see what Pocket Internet Explorer can do and die out laughing...
- Easy of use
If that's not revolutionary, then what is it?
As far as the price concerns, I bought three months ago an iPaq hw6915 for 610 Euro. (no contract)
I think that if it would sell for 600 to 700 euro it would be ok
The only question I have is if it supports GPRS. Does anybody know?
EDGE isnt fully available in Germany yet...Maybe till the end of year it will be...
[about slide-out keyboard]
no, but seriously, did you see the error rate on the keyboard while steve was typing? how many words had to be "corrected"? david pogue said the same thing on in his hands-on at NYT. accuracy'll be fixed but the trouble is partly that it's hard to touch type with the thing. no physical reference points, not even "home row" bumps. you have to keep looking at the keyboard. membrane keyboards at least have some ridges around the letters to keep you from drifting.
this from someone who does actual writing with palm graffiti 1.0. my gut feeling agrees that this thing is amazing and yet will not satisfy people who want to write several paragraphs. for real work i'd need an external keyboard.
So before some of you characterises me as a fanboy I'll say this about the iPhone.
- To expensive (but do we really know the full cost, particularly in Europe?).
- Not 3G or more specifically HSDPA. This is a massive oversight. Wifi is becoming more widespread but that's still not an excuse. Us Europeans feel this more too, we have higher specced mobile phones here.
- Not enough storage. Double it and include a memory card slot.
Do I want one? Probably, we'll see when it's a fully available product. Until then this discussion can't really go anywhere. We don't know anything about the battery replacability, the real cost unlocked, the 3rd party software situation.....
I can say what I like, sure it's conjecture but so is your last statement and most of what has been said on this thread.
- To expensive (but do we really know the full cost, particularly in Europe?).
- Not 3G or more specifically HSDPA. This is a massive oversight. Wifi is becoming more widespread but that's still not an excuse. Us Europeans feel this more too, we have higher specced mobile phones here.
- Not enough storage. Double it and include a memory card slot.
Do I want one? Probably, we'll see when it's a fully available product. Until then this discussion can't really go anywhere. We don't know anything about the battery replacability, the real cost unlocked, the 3rd party software situation.....
I can say what I like, sure it's conjecture but so is your last statement and most of what has been said on this thread.
i never said the ipod would fail i though it was amazing, but your talking about a already matured market, the HD music player market was only just beginning when apple released the ipod, your just assuming i thought the ipod was going to fail because others on here have said so, the ipod was totally different, and if the iphone fails as I've said, I'll dig up this thread the moment they discontinue it
They are are going to have a tough time competing against what people see as 'free' phones it has to be said.
I always though the iPod would remain a niche device (like it did for the first year or so). Mainly due to the cost, I didn't figure that people will definitely pay extra for something they consider to be a status symbol (for better or worse). That is almost certainly the case with this phone.
Only us nerds flag up the daft omissions (see above). The rest of the non-tech world are marvelling at how pretty it looks and working out how to get one before their friends.
Hmmm...
The "only" people apparently includes those who don't have anything else to do with their thumbs. I don't have any friends who text and on the rare occasion it does happen, I use it as an opportunity to ridicule them.
Of course for those who are at work and need to skunk around to contact people, well I guess people do need a secure way to keep the boss from knowing they are slacking.
Next time I hire someone, I'm going to ask to see their thumbs. It'll be like Rick Pitino at walk on day for college basketball. He would ask all those who showed up wearing dark socks to leave.
Call it a rule of thumb.
The "only" people apparently includes those who don't have anything else to do with their thumbs. I don't have any friends who text and on the rare occasion it does happen, I use it as an opportunity to ridicule them.
Of course for those who are at work and need to skunk around to contact people, well I guess people do need a secure way to keep the boss from knowing they are slacking.
Next time I hire someone, I'm going to ask to see their thumbs. It'll be like Rick Pitino at walk on day for college basketball. He would ask all those who showed up wearing dark socks to leave.
Call it a rule of thumb.
texting girls
Well I did date a girl in Europe but it was all phone and trips via New York and Paris. As I recall she never texted me.
Of course culture changes and girls are always looking for ways to get attention. Texting provides a way to do that with lots of folks.
Kids here I think do the bulk of texting by far, like in the classroom. Them and the slacker generation that is smart enough to avoid emailing extensively via company email and live chat on the company computer.
When the Iphone does come out, it will definitely impact many things in many, many unforseen ways. But when I get it, it won't be for texting.
As for myself and friends, we have better things to do with our thumbs.
Well I did date a girl in Europe but it was all phone and trips via New York and Paris. As I recall she never texted me.
Of course culture changes and girls are always looking for ways to get attention. Texting provides a way to do that with lots of folks.
Kids here I think do the bulk of texting by far, like in the classroom. Them and the slacker generation that is smart enough to avoid emailing extensively via company email and live chat on the company computer.
When the Iphone does come out, it will definitely impact many things in many, many unforseen ways. But when I get it, it won't be for texting.
As for myself and friends, we have better things to do with our thumbs.
YOU never said that the iPod would fail but a lot of people here did and look at it now, 70%(??) market share?
You're all sending the iPhone to the firing squad and we're still 6 months away from it's public release...
That's what I'm saying, all the flaming and bashing is premature, It's one of the most amazing bits of technology I've seen in the last 10 years, seriously, even my anti-Mac friends drooled watching the keynote.
Just so you know, I have a POS Nokia cell phone and until this day I was happy with it, makes phone calls, sends SMS, that was enough for me until yesterday. I saw an industry revolution, a whole new concept, if you can't see it that way that's OK, we agree to disagree, but I tell you, in 6 years time (2001-2007) I've never seen a Phone that amazed me this way (not even when the RAZR hype came out!) However, once I saw the iPhone I knew where I'd be spending my money
Apple is going into uncharted territory wether you believe it or not. Breakthrough, that's the word!
You're all sending the iPhone to the firing squad and we're still 6 months away from it's public release...
That's what I'm saying, all the flaming and bashing is premature, It's one of the most amazing bits of technology I've seen in the last 10 years, seriously, even my anti-Mac friends drooled watching the keynote.
Just so you know, I have a POS Nokia cell phone and until this day I was happy with it, makes phone calls, sends SMS, that was enough for me until yesterday. I saw an industry revolution, a whole new concept, if you can't see it that way that's OK, we agree to disagree, but I tell you, in 6 years time (2001-2007) I've never seen a Phone that amazed me this way (not even when the RAZR hype came out!) However, once I saw the iPhone I knew where I'd be spending my money
Apple is going into uncharted territory wether you believe it or not. Breakthrough, that's the word!
Well I did date a girl in Europe but it was all phone and trips via New York and Paris. As I recall she never texted me.
Of course culture changes and girls are always looking for ways to get attention. Texting provides a way to do that with lots of folks.
Kids here I think do the bulk of texting by far, like in the classroom. Them and the slacker generation that is smart enough to avoid emailing extensively via company email and live chat on the company computer.
When the Iphone does come out, it will definitely impact many things in many, many unforseen ways. But when I get it, it won't be for texting.
As for myself and friends, we have better things to do with our thumbs.
What an odd attitude. Why is texting not taken seriously in the USA? I use it for both personal and business not a lot, but it is useful at times when a phone call is not required or convenient. It's a bit like email on the go, but easier. And if you have a Bluetooth phone, you can text via Address Book, thus giving your thumbs a rest.
Yes it is a bit expensive right now but like the first iPods the price will come down. But I assume they will have smaller cheaper NANO like versions that do less and satisfy that audience who does not want or need all of the features. I have and love my 80GB iPod but sure, I could pay less for a 4gb nano, but that does not fit my needs. The Nanos sell way more than the video iPods but you have a choice.
This thing is revolutionary...or it will be. Remember that Jobs always looks for seemingly simple solutions "no more than three steps to get everywhere on the device." Again it's the software and design stupid (to quote a Clinton campaign mantra).
No other company seems to comprehend that. And A ZUNED is still $350. dollars!!??
This thing is revolutionary...or it will be. Remember that Jobs always looks for seemingly simple solutions "no more than three steps to get everywhere on the device." Again it's the software and design stupid (to quote a Clinton campaign mantra).
No other company seems to comprehend that. And A ZUNED is still $350. dollars!!??
The only people I know who don't primarily text are old Americans. So either that's who your friends are, or you have no friends.
Everyone else in the world is texting all day long. You can like it or not, but it's the truth.
I've seen texting in the US increase dramatically in the last few years as well. Sooner or later they'll catch up with everyone else. It's fast, you can do it without really interrupting the face-to-face interaction you're in the middle of, you have a record of what was said (say, if someone's texting you directions or a phone number), it isn't an interruption to the person you're contacting (unlike a voice call), it doesn't intrinsically demand immediate response so it's more polite, you can do it at odd hours without worrying about waking someone up, it's cheap when you're roaming internationally, it doesn't get garbled in marginal signal conditions, and it doesn't put you at risk of getting stuck in a longer conversation than you were interested in.
Palm Treos & Blackberrys can already browse the internet. This
says it will give full internet access, but on Safari on EDGE cellular
networks? It will be super SLOWWWWW- just check out Pogues
initial impressions when he did his hands on.
This is doing for the Cell phone what Tablet PCs were to laptops-
its a touch screen interface. Its not that revolutionary considering
touch screens have been available for some time, & people still havent
accepted them
You are misunderstanding me- Apple was a niche company when it only made high priced gear. Business & stockwise, it sucked. Now with things like the iMac & Macbook, it is making products with more
value for the money, and is starting to be accepted by the masses.
This iPhone signals a return to niche products that are too expensive
for the typical consumer.
What an odd attitude. Why is texting not taken seriously in the USA? I use it for both personal and business not a lot, but it is useful at times when a phone call is not required or convenient. It's a bit like email on the go, but easier. And if you have a Bluetooth phone, you can text via Address Book, thus giving your thumbs a rest.
Can't speak for the whole US, it is 300 million folks after all, but yes we do have bluetooth on many phones but I'm not familiar with Address Book and how this allows your thumbs to be more useful.
I think here, especially in business, short emails are the rule. If you want to be sure you are in line with someone, an email to their biz email is the way most go. Texting to a phone may not be timely. Some people do not have their mobile with them all the time at work, or even on. Of course there is the battery issue and you might be trying to confirm something like a meeting and they just never see it.
I just look at texting as time consuming. That's just me and going through that keypad scrolling each button on the phone to get a letter is tedious beyond belief.
But then again, my touch typing is probably near 70 words a minute.
Most other folks are somewhat competent on a keyboard as well.
When you consider that many people can send text to a phone via email, and consider the speed difference, well many of us have a long non-arthritic future for our thumbs, what can I say.
Does that give you a better picture?
Guess you consider anyone over 30 old. Texting is S-L-O-W and detrimental to one's thumbs. Who wants arthritis in their digits when they turn 40?
Most of what you are talking about can be sent faster via email. Email to email or email to phone. And you don't have to screw up your most important digit to do it.
The only real advantage this has over other phones is its
prettier-
People prefer having real keyboards- not touch screens that
scratch up & are super hard to type on.
There are few things you can do on iPhone than you cant already
do today on mobile phones.
On a Treo/ Blackberry you can already:
-Surf internet
-Get email
-Listen to Music
-Watch Videos
etc, etc etc,
With the iPhone, you also have to deal with:
$600 for something where 95% of its features are overkill?
Plus being trapped in a 2 year contract?
Plus paying $80+ for a data plan on top of Cell Service?
Plus having to deal with crappy Cingular?
Plus having super slow internet browsing since
its uncompressed internet on non 3G network
Plus Having a screen that will be so scratch up, you
wont be able to see anything?
Plus not having enough memory for videos, & other media,
Plus having to deal w/ bugs bugs bugs of initial
apple products?
Plus knowing that the $600 device will be obsolete
the second you buy it?
I think I'll stick to my Pearl that I got FREE
from T-mobile
I already have a 30gb iPod, that I bought
for $150 so this is pointless.
Smells like the 2nd coming of Newton / PS3- Lots of Hype
but awful bugs & poor execution.
Apple is starting to drift from its core base...
PDA's were once a niche product too- The Newton was one
of the 1st PDAs on the market, but Apple didnt know what
consumers wanted. Palm did, and their PDAs sold well,
while the Newton died.
A lot of Cell phone companies & cell phone carriers failed
in their ability to make it in the business.
Apple is putting all their "apples in one basket" with this
device.
I'm not saying it cant work, but it has a lot of factors stacked
against it.
Two years and Apple will have more than 1% of the market. Once again, this is only the introductory product. We don't even know the full details of what it is capable of yet. Pogue in his NYT review yesterday, said that there were a number of Apps that were "greyed" out and Jobs said they were still working on some aspects of it.
Your "predictions" are pretty lame.
Yeah, it's not like they still is going to sell Macs, Pro software, AirPorts and iPods... oh, wait...
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