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Apple Announces Upcoming Features for iWork Mac Apps Following Criticism

ssspinball said:
:rolleyes: This here is the easiest way to identify a person that has absolutely no idea how development works. It is not as easy as "throwing a thousand programmers" at the problem. Most programmers will agree that adding more people to a project will often make it take LONGER!
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I agree, more coders wont necessarily make it better, but with the cash hoard, they can easily hire the best developers out there to at least make it better written.


n-evo said:
I don't think you really appreciate how hard it is to write new apps from scratch. Look at Microsoft and Adobe: They're just piling new stuff on top of old stuff. I think both Windows RT and Photoshop/InDesign/Illustrator are testaments to how poorly software can become. They're not optimized for today's hardware at all, lag like crazy and aren't the most resource efficient.

Would be nice if they had the guts to cut out all the legacy code.
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Exactly! Look how well that Windows 8 re-write was (not to mention all the other versions).
 
NOV said:
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Logic Pro X
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The saga continues. Wow, these guys really know how to destroy good working software.
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You obviously haven't used Logic X, while it was a major update with some bugs here and there, they haven't "destroyed" it by any stretch of the imagination.
 
chrisrodney said:
Looks like they are giving iWork the Final Cut Pro X treatment.

But this helpful webpage should have been available on release day, not weeks later.
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Seems like their strategy was to release a stripped-down version and then see what people complained the most about losing.
 
appleii.c said:
I agree, more coders wont necessarily make it better, but with the cash hoard, they can easily hire the best developers out there to at least make it better written.




Exactly! Look how well that Windows 8 re-write was (not to mention all the other versions).
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You honestly believe Apple does not hire the best programers?
 
proline said:
Because releasing them as they were at the time has allowed many people to get to enjoy great new features such as the excellent cross platform integration (iOS / web / Mac) without in any way hurting those who don't like them and can easily keep using the older versions. It also means that six months from now Apple will have had the benefit of bug reports and user feedback, making the apps much better than they would have been had they stayed in the lab that whole time. People are so uptight around here. Relax.
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these people managed to live without these "great new features"

how are all the bug reports apple maps users sent in working out for them?

is it worse to be uptight than bent over?
 
numlock said:
these people managed to live without these "great new features"

how are all the bug reports apple maps users sent in working out for them?

is it worse to be uptight than bent over?
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Don't know about others, but year later all my 6 Maps bugs reported are still there.
 
age234 said:
I don't think Steve would have let something like this version of iWork out the door.
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Possibly. He did, however, let mobileme out the door. Tech companies run things closer to release deadline than I ever realized before not long ago. A lot of programs, even from Apple, are not polished. iO7 is sill annoyingly buggy for me even with some native apps like the camera. But we know from experience that they'll keep spit-shining it until it is ready.
 
nitschi said:
Yes, it's good. But to be honest I think they planned this procedure (first complete rewrite and feature parity between OS X and iOS and then add back missing features step by step) anyway.
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I completely agree. They started with simple. Made it free. Kept the old one around in the meantime. Rebuild features in both versions.
 
juancarlosh said:
Developer jibber jabber is irrelevant to users. It is results what matter, nothing else. Features were removed from the user perspective, the only perspective that really counts.

AND the name of the suite is iWork.
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Since when is me being able to share my Pages and Keynote documents to a client using Windows in FULL FIDELITY and getting edits back without formatting messed up just "developer jibber jabber"?

The compatibility with the iCloud version on the web is huge win from the user perspective as well as all of the people who like to make quick edits on their documents or even start off creating them on mobile. Now that they have feature parity and cross platform sharing and compatibility nailed, Apple can add back new features in parallel across all platforms with their new unified file format. An obvious case of some short term pain for lots of long term gain.

Microsoft on the other is in a hopeless scenario right now with their web and mobile versions. Things get horribly broken because of the compatibility issues just like used to be the case with iWork. Even the Windows RT version is not compatible with the real Office. So yes the Surface comes with Office but actually using it breaks stuff you did on the real version of Office.

I'm not sure what Microsoft is going to be able to do to fix their Office compatibility problems going forward. They can ill afford to pull off a complete rewrite like Apple just did because their customer base is bigger and has much longer legacy history. Once again legacy and enterprise is going to be their downfall going forward in the next decade as mobile and the web grows in popularity.
 
SalsaShark said:
I don't think it's about being wrong or even necessarily listening to customers. I think they had a deadline and the apps weren't exactly finished products. Nothing too surprising going on here, other than people overreacting. I guess that's not really surprising either.
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There is probably a lot of truth to your comments, although I do think Apple is more responsive to customers these days.

The one thing I don't understand is the so-called professionals upgrading software without fully realizing the consequences. I never upgrade software to a brand new version until I know the new software will let me do what I need to do. In this case, Apple even allowed users to keep the old software installed.
 
Personally, I really like the tight integration with iWork for iOS. I hope all the functionality they add is also available in the iOS versions.
 
I have Pages 09 and 13 and I hate that if you open an existing 09 document in Pages 13, you can't open it in 09 anymore. Same if you open the document from iCloud.com. I have to export it as an 09 file with a different name, delete the 13 file (the original), then rename the 09 file. What a nuisance. I'm afraid to use the iOS iWork apps because I don't want to open my 09 documents (which are all but maybe 3).

I'll continue using iWork 09 for a while.
 
neutrino23 said:
Disappointing that this feature and Layout Mode are not mentioned on the list of things to be put back in the near future.
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You now get layout mode by unchecking "Document Body" in Document options. (On the OS X version)
 
ThisIsNotMe said:
Rewrites Numbers for 64-bit/Still has 65,536 row limit.

(And what about bringing back pivot tables????)
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You! I wasn't going to post until I saw this . Seriously!!! Use a freaking database. You are what's wrong with these apps. Ppl who use numbers and excel who moan about a limit of 65k?! You are using it wrong. Use the right tool for the right job!
 
Please bring back mail merge capabilities. I can't use the new Pages or Numbers without this.
 
Office 2014 will be released by then. I hope it'll be as good as what I expect it to be...

So, still no Pivot Tables and Pivot Graphs coming in Numbers ? The joke can keep on going... this app will never make it in medium-big enterprises.

Solver would also be nice, but this is more like a nice-to-have. If Solver were implemented in Numbers though, I would rather put my equations in this than in Excel.
 
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