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Only two things to say about this:

1) Didn't they learn anything from the FCP X debacle?:mad:
2) At least they are willing to admit the error almost out of the gate:eek:

So now all that's left is...GET ON IT!!!
 
Yes, it's good. But to be honest I think they planned this procedure (first complete rewrite and feature parity between OS X and iOS and then add back missing features step by step) anyway.

I think so too. First thing I noticed after installing the new version, the old iWork apps are still installed. I was wondering why they did that.
 
iWork "couldn't be opened while updating"

This has happened twice now, once before a long haul flight (and again today) I tried to open a Pages document but the App immediately opened the App store to update - I didn't have a internet connection and couldn't use the program or edit the document because Pages "couldn't be opened while updating" These were NOT documents on iCloud or otherwise - the program itself wouldn't open because of the "updating" (which of course didn't because of the lack of connection) I get not accessing cloud documents (which is why I don't store stuff there) but this could be a deal-breaker. Any tips?
 
This has nothing to do with listening to customers, and everything to do with the fact that they were going to add that stuff back in all along. They're tearing these apps down and building them back up again so that integration between iOS and OSX is seamless.

Seamless... this whole transition itself is anything but seamless. :confused:

Glassed Silver:mac
 
Seamless... this whole transition itself is anything but seamless. :confused:

haters gunna hate. i think its funny how the customer takes credit for the following things:

apps on iphone
updates to software
anything good apple does after someone complains about it

i guess that works for apple, but its obvious they were going to make those updates anyway!

whats new here is that apple is giving us heads up on what they are going to do...the first roadmap i've ever seen...

you guys should click the link and support this type of thing by marking "yes" for "yes this was helpful"
 
Wait, the new Pages had WORD COUNT removed? Seriously?

Yes and outline view was removed and you can no longer flow text between text boxes. Apparently they are not going to bother putting these back in.

You have to wonder why they did this. Most companies where they upgrade a product you get more not less.

Why didn't they keep this under wraps until it was better than the thing it was to replace? Did they think no one would notice?
 
You honestly believe Apple does not hire the best programers?

OK, maybe it's not a matter of not hiring the BEST programmers as I'm sure they do have adequate people on their dev teams, but I believe somewhere along the lines something is slipping. I'm not sure why they seem to release these big projects that are not quite ready yet. They aren't a smallish company like they were in the past (pre iPhone / iPod) where they could push out products like eWorld or the original iWork or MobileMe. It's different now, they have a MUCH larger user-base now, and they re much more in the spotlight now. Seems like the ones approving the final output are not being honest enough to say "lets wait another month to get this right" or simply they are just being driven by the board to push stuff out as quickly as possible to stay "ahead" and keep the stock from falling. Whatever the case, it's a bit concerning to me as an Apple loyalist since the late 80's.

I just find it a bit disheartening that a company with the market value of Apple, and over a hundred billion in cash cant find the resources to correct the pin location of the T-Rex Cafe in Downtown Disney Orlando and I've sent numerous "problem reports" to them via iOS Maps.
 
What about missing iMovie features?
• Title customization
• Secondary monitor as viewfinder
• Advanced export options
• Chapter markers
 
To be honest, this new iWork update case feels like when Apple Maps was introduced with iOS 6 (and still has systematical issues as of today). As a cause of this (and probably many other fights inside Apple) Scott Forstall had to leave then. Now iWork may not be such an important product for Apple (yet). But I feel this case is just as bad.

Why don't they seem to learn from their mistakes? They could have avoided issues easily by maybe only announcing the new iWork at the last event, then taking some more time before the final release. Or, releasing the new iWork as a (public or restricted) beta, with the old iwork staying available. Collecting feedback and showing the world how far they can go from a BETA (where no-one expects perfection) to some really awesome, rewritten product, which most people then like. Same could have worked with Maps. (I still feel completely fooled if I submit errors within Apple's maps app and over a year later the same errors still exist!!!)
 
I no longer trust Apple. I hate to say this, but seeing is believing. 4 years between updates and they released a pretty awful version of iWork. It seems so unprofessional. I'm not even one of these mythical iWorks "power users" and I can't use the so-called updated 2013 versions.
 
This has nothing to do with listening to customers, and everything to do with the fact that they were going to add that stuff back in all along. They're tearing these apps down and building them back up again so that integration between iOS and OSX is seamless.

Really? They had four years, yes four years to work on those apps... They have all the money in the world to throw at this, and we are asked to believe this is all a part of a plan! Right!
 
Also too

Say, while you're at it...

• FCP X return all the features/functionality of FCP 7
• Color? Shake? DVDSP? ok fine no DVDSP.
• PCI Slots in the MacPro with 16x ~128 GB/s throughput
• XSAN Admin - Yep I'll take that back
• XServe - This too
• XRAID - Heck why not

Apple has a long history of pissing off their power users in an effort to play to their consumer base. Unfortunately it's less and less likely that they'll be taken as a serious competitor in the market if they keep churning out playmobils®.
 
Wow! hysteria over erm . . . free apps?!?

People comparing this to the Final Cut Pro X release are way of base - remember FCPX is an expensive high end tool, iWorks is now FREE - yes you are all bitching and whining about FREE apps.

Ones which have been rewritten from the ground up to basically be the same product across OSX, IOS and iCloud. iWorks previously Mac only - they introduced the IOS versions separately and now in this release have pull the Apps into a single product development for all platforms.

In any case, for those who paid for iWorks'09 and you are whining - why? Just use the old versions.

For those who got them for free - ask yourself why are you whining about some quality applications which you've got for free?!?!

Many of you really need to man up and accept that very few software release come out perfect for the first releases. Hell Office on Mac is constantly receiving updates like every few weeks.
 
I keep getting surprised not enough people are seeing the real problem here:

If full iOS editability is the rule for iWork, it will never be as powerful as it used to be or as powerful as the Mac can make it. If Apple continues to base its decisions of iWork by being able to do everything you do on a Mac with a 4 year old iPhone, then the Mac will always be screwed, as well as Mac users.

Why isn't anyone seeing this? Why isn't anyone addressing the main issue that any software will be screwed if Mac to iOS feature parity is mandatory? It is not like the FCP X debacle, it is much worse. Imagine FCP X being bound to iOS and you will get the picture. :mad:

What you are saying is not necessarily true. Did you know what the new iPad Air is faster than a 2010 MacBook Air?

http://blog.fnurl.se/2013/10/30/ipad-air-better-than-a-late-2010-macbook-air/

Parity will come over time! Apple is always looking toward the future! Having everything stay exactly the same as the past is not always a good thing!
 
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haters gunna hate. i think its funny how the customer takes credit for the following things:

apps on iphone
updates to software
anything good apple does after someone complains about it

i guess that works for apple, but its obvious they were going to make those updates anyway!

whats new here is that apple is giving us heads up on what they are going to do...the first roadmap i've ever seen...

you guys should click the link and support this type of thing by marking "yes" for "yes this was helpful"

Yes, how dare I say their move of HOW they did all this is subpar.

If that makes me a hater... Then wow.
I'd say your response makes you a kool aid drunk person.

Glassed Silver:mac
 
People comparing this to the Final Cut Pro X release are way of base - remember FCPX is an expensive high end tool, iWorks is now FREE - yes you are all bitching and whining about FREE apps.

More evidence that the world owes the demanding freetard.

In any case, for those who paid for iWorks'09 and you are whining - why? Just use the old versions.

That's what I keep asking myself as well. A postponed release would have meant that they would still be using the old version anyway.
 
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