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Apple Appeals Epic Games Ruling Over 'Anti-Steering' Provisions to U.S. Supreme Court
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The big difference is Microsoft Sony Nintendo don’t bring a new console out every year. So a console generation lasts about 8 years. Where as Apple brings a phone out every year that’s why epic are coming after Apple & google
So if iphone apps make more money than desktop apps, its ok to have the same rules as a console?
For services like Netflix, Spotify, etc., steering should absolutely be allowed, but for things like IAP I would say no. That's wanting your cake and eating, too. To me, buying a service, especially a monthly recurring service, is substantially different from buying something for a game. At the same time, I would like to be able to buy e-books from the Kindle app, and I'm really struggling to distinguish that from an IAP for something in a game. In both cases, you're not really obtaining a physical thing or service.
Nah, nice try, but there is such a thing as right and wrong here, and the anti-steering thing is most definitely immoral and ought be illegal.
It’s easy to find. To name a few: LA Noire, Mortal Kombat 1, Metal Gear Solid collection.
AH! Well, it appears that 12% is NOT breaking even with a little profit. I wonder how long they will do ANYTHING, including gutting their staff and raising Vbucks costs, other than admit that 30% is actually a good number.
I don’t see in any way the current gen is sold at a loss. I need someone to provide proof from their CFOs with data sheets this is a factual statement. Sony is in BIG trouble if it’s truly sold at a loss.
So you can't compare simply because the manufacturer is able to make a profit from the hardware? That is nonsense. Also comparing XBOX to a Macbook Pro is ridiculous. Try doing high level video editing on a XBOX. It is only more powerful from a graphics standpoint which is only useful for games and media consumption.
Really dont understand why this isnt discussed more… no matter what scotus decides, by spring 2024 the EU DMA forces apple to allow other app stores & payment options on ios.
Other regions will follow.
Charging $10 to dress your character in some colorful elf outfit, and people claim Apple is being greedy.
How much are you going to pay to macrumors for creating your consulting marketplace?
Very true... Apple may be forced to allow other stores on the platform. But can't Apple still charge a platform fee?
If so... then not much will change. The developers will still have to pay a fee to Apple.
Isn't that how the video game market works? Even though game developers can sell games at Walmart, Target, GameStop, etc... don't Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo still collect 30% on every game? Regardless of which store it was sold in?
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They’re not under the same scrutiny because they’re not Apple.
Even for the multiple avenues they can be bought through, someone still pays the console maker for every disc that gets pressed. It’s less, but it’s still there. And, in the case of physical purchases, the many people that eat into their price ends up being greater than 30% when you take into account ALL the individuals with their fingers in the pie.So will new laws be written to say that a platform owner can only charge a platform fee if their hardware is sold at a loss?
That'll be interesting...
And where is the proof that Apple does NOT fall into this category?
I’m sure lightning licenses and accessories make up for the iPhone costs.
Yeah I dunno.
I just keep hearing in this thread that the only reason Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo charge a 30% platform fee is because they lose money on the hardware.
But when Google and Apple charge a 30% platform fee... it's just because they are greedy.
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Weird, considering the operating system for Macs have a mode dedicated to gaming.
You should let Tim know that Macs are not gaming computers, and that he should stop wasting engineering hours on it. Let us know what he says...
Sony Gaming Profit Drops 33%, Partially Due To Selling PS5 At A Loss
That’s one of the main takeaways from Sony’s recent earnings report, where the company is up overall, but in the gaming sector, revenue rose just 2% while profit dropped 33% year over year.www.forbes.com
All Games Consoles Are Sold at a Loss. Here's Why...
We now know that console manufacturers make a loss on consoles, but how do they make any money in this case?www.makeuseof.com
I’m looking for an actual financial statement listing the components and costs and what they chose to sell the console for and why it’s at a loss. If Forbes said iPhone is at a loss would you believe it?
How are people so sure iPhones aren’t sold at a loss? They have license fees for lightning and costly accessories, developer fees. How do we know for sure this isn’t helping iPhone like those same things help consoles?
They are slowly adding support for games now with Apple Silicon. But it’s not advertised as a gaming system like consoles and PC graphics cards. For years Apple didn’t say one word about gaming.
You can play games (and getting better with each new Apple Silicon) on Macs but they aren't fine-tuned for that like consoles are. Same with most PC's (except gaming rigs)
So does Apple. So where is the proof that consoles operate at a loss but not iPhones.
I wasn't arguing the other guys point. I agree. I was just stating that Sony and Microsoft are NOT going out of business selling the consoles at a loss as you had suggested.