Apple Approves Epic Games Store for iPhone and iPad in EU

[WarmWinterHat]

Tell that to all the tens of millions of non tech-savvy users who will be caught up in the mess this creates. Just because you demand choice, doesn't give you the right to impose the consequences on others.

Just because Apple demands control doesn't mean they should be able to impose it on their users.

My device, my choice. It apple wants to continue to control it, they can lease it and I return it when I'm done. If I buy it, it's mine and Apple needs to voluntarily step-aside when asked.

 

[gnipgnop]

No, I want the iPhone. I want my hardware to belong to me and I, the owner of said hardware, to be able to install, uninstall, modify, use or change at my will, without anyone else's permission.

Telling someone to get another device is a cop out, and a lazy one at that.

That's not what the DMA is doing in Europe. It doesn't eliminate user agreements.

 

[wascal]

Just because Apple demands control doesn't mean they should be able to impose it on their users.

My device, my choice. It apple wants to continue to control it, they can lease it and I return it when I'm done. If I buy it, it's mine and Apple needs to voluntarily step-aside when asked.

Every buyer is informed of the features and functions of the device when they make the purchase. if you make the purchase you agreed and accepts those practices and policies. Purchasing something knowing it's boundaries then demanding it do something the manufacturer never advertised as a feature because you 'want it' is ridiculous and selfish.

 

[macfacts]

That argument falls apart when companies like Facebook pull their app out of the App Store and force you to get it directly from them only and they remove all the data protections the App Store requires. This whole thing has nothing to do with consumers, it;s all about making money by any means necessary without regard for consumers.

The data protections are built in to iOS, not the app store. Everytime an app want to access your address book, the OS asks the user for permission. If your finger slips and grants that permission, that is on you, not the alternative app store.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Every buyer is informed of the features and functions of the device when they make the purchase. if you make the purchase you agreed and accepts those practices and policies. Purchasing something knowing it's boundaries then demanding it do something the manufacturer never advertised as a feature because you 'want it' is ridiculous and selfish.

I don't think any company should be to impose such demands, even if the user agrees to it.

Car manufacturers can't legally restrict me from modifying my vehicle, or from installing aftermarket hardware and software. They can't even void the warranty because of it.

Why should phones be any different?

 

[wascal]

I don't the company should be to impose such demands, even if the user agrees to it.

Then you should inform them of that by not purchasing their products.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

Then you should inform them of that by not purchasing their products.

I do it by purchasing their products and then telling them I like their products, but they could do better. I lobby them to change and be a more open and consumer-oriented system.

..and I will continue to do so.

 

[gnipgnop]

Car manufacturers can't legally restrict me from modifying my vehicle, or from installing aftermarket hardware and software. They can't even void the warranty because of it.

You can't modify the odometer without voiding the warranty.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

You can't modify the odometer without voiding the warranty.

Because that's fraud and deception, and rightfully so.

I can replace the brakes, the infotainment software, the transmission, the seats, the wheels, tires. I can rebuild the engine, and it's still under warranty.

I can link into the OBDII system and modify to my hearts content.

 

[gnipgnop]

I do it by purchasing their products and then telling them I like their products, but they could do better. I lobby them to change and be a more open and consumer-oriented system.

Open systems are not more consumer oriented. Linux would be the perfect example of that.

 

[gnipgnop]

Because that's fraud and deception, and rightfully so.

I can replace the brakes, the infotainment software, the transmission, the seats, the wheels, tires. I can rebuild the engine, and it's still under warranty.

I can link into the OBDII system and modify to my hearts content.

And software (like an operating system) usually requires a user agreement. Like I said, the DMA isn't getting rid of user agreements.

 

[surferfb]

No, I want the iPhone. I want my hardware to belong to me and I, the owner of said hardware, to be able to install, uninstall, modify, use or change at my will, without anyone else's permission.

Telling someone to get another device is a cop out, and a lazy one at that.

You knew what you were buying when you bought an iPhone. If you want an iPhone play by Apple’s Licensing agreement THAT YOU AGREED TO. They didn’t sell you iOS.

You don’t buy PS5 and then legitimately complain it can’t play Xbox exclusives. You knew what you were getting into.

 

[WarmWinterHat]

You knew what you were buying when you bought an iPhone. If you want an iPhone play by Apple’s Licensing agreement THAT YOU AGREED TO. They didn’t sell you iOS.

You don’t buy PS5 and then legitimately complain it can’t play Xbox exclusives. You knew what you were getting into.

I'm aware, thank you. I've been using the iPhone the 3g was released.

I will continue to lobby for Apple opening up their systems, or them to be forced to, which ever happens first. I haven't owned a console since the n64, but would lobby for game systems to be opened, too, if I owned one.

 

[Force11111]

Apple today said it has approved the third-party Epic Games Store in the European Union, allowing the Fortnite developer to launch its alternative app marketplace in those countries, reports Reuters. Epic Games had submitted the Epic Games Store to Apple for notarization earlier this week.

Earlier today, Epic stated Apple had twice rejected the Epic Games Store this week, with Apple reportedly claiming that an "Install" button and "in-app purchases" labels were too similar to Apple's own elements for the App Store. Epic argued that the rejection was "arbitrary, obstructive, and in violation of the DMA [Digital Markets Act]" and that it was reporting the issue to the European Commission, but it appears Apple has relented and approved Epic's previously rejected submission.

Epic Games and Apple have been engaged in a years-long battle over Apple's closed App Store ecosystem, and Epic has been eager to launch its own marketplace in the EU under Apple's new policies driven by the Digital Markets Act.

Article Link: Apple Approves Epic Games Store for iPhone and iPad in EU

Wouldn’t touch it with a 10 ft pole but maybe now Tim Sweeney will quit whining.

It’ll be an interesting experiment to see what happens with this store.

 

[mrochester]

I'm aware, thank you. I've been using the iPhone the 3g was released.

I will continue to lobby for Apple opening up their systems, or them to be forced to, which ever happens first. I haven't owned a console since the n64, but would lobby for game systems to be opened, too, if I owned one.

We should actually be lobbying for more operating systems so that consumers have greater choice.

Imagine a world where every manufacture had to create their own OS and ecosystem? The amount of choice for consumers would be immense.

A Samsung OS, a Motorola OS, a Sony OS, an Oppo OS, a OnePlus OS, a Google OS, an Apple OS.

That much choice would be soooo good for consumers.

 

[ToyoCorollaGR]

And thank f**k for that, we don’t have to worry about those 3rd party crap stores.

You don't have to worry anyway, don't like it, don't install it, it's really that simple 🙄

 

[ToyoCorollaGR]

When the laws are ******** then yes.

So they can just break the law because you don't like it? 🙄🙄🙄🙄

 

[ToyoCorollaGR]

That argument falls apart when companies like Facebook pull their app out of the App Store and force you to get it directly from them only and they remove all the data protections the App Store requires. This whole thing has nothing to do with consumers, it;s all about making money by any means necessary without regard for consumers.

Since they haven't actually done that, ya know 🙄

 

[steve09090]

So then why does the EU feel entitled to Apple's GLOBAL revenue if its laws are "for the markets in the EU"?

I don’t get it either. They should have zero to do with global revenue.

 

[steve09090]

Just because Apple demands control doesn't mean they should be able to impose it on their users.

My device, my choice. It apple wants to continue to control it, they can lease it and I return it when I'm done. If I buy it, it's mine and Apple needs to voluntarily step-aside when asked.

You can do what you want with the phone if you buy it. No one is stopping you. But why should they make it easy? Do you also think Tesla should allow you to put a Hyundai OS on the car, or that Tom Tom should allow you to put Garmin on their device?

 

[steve09090]

I'm aware, thank you. I've been using the iPhone the 3g was released.

I will continue to lobby for Apple opening up their systems, or them to be forced to, which ever happens first. I haven't owned a console since the n64, but would lobby for game systems to be opened, too, if I owned one.

You are always here complaining how Apple have a closed OS. How many open devices do you own? None? Have you ever tried to change your TV system? I dispute the idea that you would actually do it?

You can legally change the OS on an iPhone, but Apple will void the warranty.
You can legally change the OS on a Samsung phone but Samsung will void the warranty.
The latest Huawei phones will also stop working with Android Apps. How dare they?

 

[nateo200]

More choice does not mean elimination of choice.
War isn't peace.
Freedom isn't slavery.
Ignorance isn't strength.

I don't get the anti-Epic folks gaslighting everyone into thinking this is the end of choice...its actually strange lol

 

[CloneBB]

Meh.

 

[ToyoCorollaGR]

I don't get the anti-Epic folks gaslighting everyone into thinking this is the end of choice...its actually strange lol

It's literally only because it's Apple, there is no other reason.

 

[deathnite]

Yeah I miss unreal tournament. UT 2004 was peak awesome, with vehicles. Thank goodness it's on Steam.

This needs to be clarified.
All the Unreal Tournament games were delisted on Steam and other platforms in 2022 and official servers shut down, even on GOG.
So, UT games are no longer available on Steam, unless you already own them.