I am sorry, I don't think he said they were not selling. Can we maybe drop the attitude...
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I am sorry, I don't think he said they were not selling. Can we maybe drop the attitude...
And this has to do with the programming language choices of the developer... how exactly ?I was talking about the April ban on anything but C, Objective-C or Javascript as interpreted by the Webkit engine.
If an app drains your battery, stop using that app. OpenGL ES games drain the thing retardly, you'd agree with Apple for banning OpenGL ES games and removing the framework from the SDK ? Of course not.
And btw, my iPhone needs to be recharged daily. Battery life on small devices that do lots of stuff in color at high FPS is short. Fact of life right there.
First off, lets drop the holier than thou attitude, and stick to the conversation. I believe I misunderstood the point of your post that I quoted and (agreeably) completely derailed this conversation (hey it was late for me
) . If you were stating that Apple stopped external compilers due to poor battery life, then I agree that is silly. For whatever reason, I thought you were attempting to make the point that multitasking does not consume more battery life, which is not accurate, hence my first reply. I simply read too many posts in a row on low sleep.
Regardless, I do have the same wish that Apple made a better implementation of Multitasking, perhaps defaulting to the current form, but giving users the option (in the settings or whatnot) to enable true multitasking.
My message is crystal clear: When a provider sells only Android phones, and then they get the iPhone, sales of the iPhone for that provider will go up. From zero.
That's very different from what you were saying. In fact, what you are saying now is like saying the sky is blue. When a carrier gets a new model phone, the sales of that model goes up from zero for that carrier... duh.
That's very different from your strong hint that the Verizon droid sells because they don't have an iPhone and that the iPhone is a primary pick, and Android is only sloppy seconds.
That's patently false and BS.
Might we soon see an Apple ][ or ][+ emulator soon?
Unfortunately, I don't think that Apple would allow it since they probably would not license the copyrighted ROMs.
Comparing droid to the iPhone does not make any sense. One is an operating system the other is the hardware that houses an operating system. If you want to compare the droid os to iOS, then that is an argument that comes down to which system is better. However, to constantly compare android phones (which there might be one or two, because Google doesn't make phones), to the iPhone and say that the android phones far outsell the iPhone is pure asinine.
The droid os is on phones manufactured by many different companies. If you want to compare the different phones running droid to the iPhone, then that's cool. However, to lump them all together and call them droid phones as if Google manufactured them is a misleading argument. It's doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that once the iPhone goes to any other carrier, the other phone sales for other manufactures on that carrier will probably decrease in sales. Simply because some people with those plans have been waiting to get an iPhone, but did not want to switch their plans.
The droid os is on phones manufactured by many different companies. If you want to compare the different phones running droid to the iPhone, then that's cool. However, to lump them all together and call them droid phones as if Google manufactured them is a misleading argument. It's doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that once the iPhone goes to any other carrier, the other phone sales for other manufactures on that carrier will probably decrease in sales. Simply because some people with those plans have been waiting to get an iPhone, but did not want to switch their plans.
The other day Verizon decided to give my LG android an OS upgrade. I didn't ask for it and they didn't ask me if it was OK to give it to me at that moment. What I got was a phone, that for no reason I could understand, stopped working and showed strange symbols on the touch screen. This went on for a number of long minutes in which I couldn't shut the phone off nor use it.
About 10 minutes or so, I got the phone service back with the announcement that it had been upgraded. I had business calls to return during that time I was denied service. I'm glad I wasn't about to dial 911 or had some kind of family emergency that required a phone.
When you say "Verizon controls the show," you have no idea how completely true that is!
Shortsighted. Android is growing and is passing by the iPhone. Non-choice indeed.
Apple is scared. Android Market is getting bigger and bigger. Android phones are close to or are outselling the iPhone, giving the platform increased relevance.
I love how you compare the total of all the phones using all the different incompatible flavors of the Android OS to a single Apple product, the iPhone. None of which individually sell nearly as many phones as Apple.
You poor comparison, to be more correct, should add in all the iPod Touch and iPad sales to the iOS sales numbers and you'd see how far Android lags. Furthermore, as yet, Android is still only available on phones. It hasn't made any inroads on any other markets like the iOS has.
I have an Android phone because AT&T is weak in my use area. I'll be happy to gift it and all it's horribly quirky apps to you once Verizon get's the iPhone.
Technically you can't say either way either. You are saying he is false, which it seems you are implying that Apple wouldn't be a primary pick, and that android would be.
How can you be so sure? Unless I missed your point, then I apologize.
I am just quoting this whole conversation as I agree. It seems when Android vs iPhone is brought up, people are quick to say how Android is outselling iPhone and they don't bring up iOS.
The fact is the market that matters is Android vs iOS. Not iPhone vs Droid X, or Android vs iPhone 4. It's the software/app world that the developers are paying attention to.
I am sure as soon as Android is on the tablets the Android supporters will have no problem including those numbers in their sales figures vs iPhone.
Attention-seeking at its finest.Too bad Apple managed to make their version of multi-tasking even worse. I thought they had learned what bad multi-tasking could do back in the OS 9 days.
At least Android has real multi-tasking.
Technically you can't say either way either. You are saying he is false, which it seems you are implying that Apple wouldn't be a primary pick, and that android would be.
How can you be so sure? Unless I missed your point, then I apologize.
Uh ? My point is neither is a primary pick. People choose the phone they want. Sometimes that's the iPhone, sometimes that's an Android, sometimes that's a Blackberry, sometime it's one of the many dumbphones made by X vendor.
It's disingenuous to claim people would pick the iPhone everytime if it was available to them, since there are people who choose other phones over it. Same for Android, same for Blackberry. This isn't black and white, this isn't Highlander where "There can be only one!".
There is no point in arguing with you. You're repeating Apple's marketing verbatim and as such, I doubt we'd get very far until I started feeling I was arguing directly with Steve. You'll just brickwall me.
Anyway, drop the "incompatible" line, Android is as compatible as the iOS devices are between themselves. Some features/OS versions are only available to some devices and others are widespread. Fragmentation in the iOS world is there too, no matter how much some of you guys want to ignore that fact.
As for your other claim, that iPhone is best because its a single model, again, if Apple were tomorrow to release the iPhone Mini (smaller screen) or the iPhone Pro (Physical keyboard) or even both and now sell 3 models of phone, you think there would be no cannibilisation of sales of the normal iPhone ? You'd think it would be automatic win for Apple and they'd just get new customers ?
Of course not. iPhone is iPhone. You get an iPhone to get an iOS based phone. If there was choice, they'd still sell about as many overall probably, just fewer of each. Android offers choice and with choice comes cannibalization of single model sales. It's as simple as that. One business model isn't better than the other and to try to claim some kind of superiority because of business model is just trying to stir the pot.
Sure, when Android enters the tablet market officially (not just with Archos based crippleware without Android Market access) and the PMP market, then we can muddy the waters a bit.
Until then, the discussion is Android Phones vs iOS phones. Anything else is just trying to throw the conversation off.
Verizon Droid phones sell better because they don't have the iPhone. I never said they only sell for that reason. I have repeatedly noted there is a subset of the population that actually prefers the Android OS. They will continue to buy droids. But there is a larger population that gets whatever is available, and when given a choice many of those will go for the iPhone. I think the majority, you don't, that's a disagreement.
You keep saying that. Where did you get this ? That people would choose iPhone over Android 100% of the time given the choice on the same carrier ?
That's what is very wrong in your dialog. You've basically invented this from a fantasy world in your mind.
Customers of Bell, Rogers, Telus here in Canada pick Android over iPhone and vice versa. It has nothing to do with preferring Android OS and a small subset. Heck, it's not that small of a subset since Android customers in Canada are climbing fast even though the availability of phones is very recent and the models we've been offered have been very lackluster until very very recently.
This is what I'm saying is BS, that the "majority" will go iPhone. If it was anywhere near true, the iPhone would have more than a measly 3rd place market share in smartphones and a piddly 2% share of the overall cellphone market.
The numbers don't jive with what you are saying at all.
I never said that. I don't know why you keep going to extremes such as suggesting 100% of the market. Nobody will ever get 100% of this market.
It is my opinion that the Android phones will flood the market and get high market share for a time because cell service providers love Android. They get it free, it has name recognition, and they can twist it any way they want to lock down their devices. It's Verizon's dream OS because they get to control it, and thereby control what the user can or cannot do. Note, I'm not talking about the ubergeek user who can jailbreak anything. I'm talking about mom and pop users who take what the provider gives 'em.
In time I think the natural hate people have for cell providers will start to bleed over into Android's reputation. This will be the OS that they associate with lockdown. Ironic, I know, but people hate Verizon for a reason, and their behavior will start to make their droid phones stink.
The iPhone is under Apple's control. All phones (other than the geek's phones) will be under SOMEONE'S control other than the user. So faced with a choice between Apple (which usually thinks about what the user wants) and the cell providers (which usually thinks about what THEY want), I think the majority will go with Apple.
May not happen immediately, and maybe the market will get so flooded with cheap droid phones that it never happens through sheer inertia. But once Google moves into full Chrome mode, and Android becomes the cell providers ghetto, I think the iPhone approach will appeal more to mom and pop.
Except what you say is plainly wrong. Verizon is giving up control and its Android offerings are much less branded/locked down than their dumbphone offerings.
And I would rather no one control my phone, not Apple, not my carrier. I'm not alone and far from a majority want Apple. Get that out of your head, that is basically what invalidates your whole argument and just makes you sound like an out of control Apple fan.
There is no majority in the cellphone market. Never was, never will be.
I agree with that statement, so perhaps we've been circling each other without fully communicating.
Might we soon see an Apple ][ or ][+ emulator soon?
I bet one of Woz's boys has that working now. Sure, it is just a matter of timing for Woz to catch Jobs in a good mood.