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Apple Asking Feedback for Leopard 9A499
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What does it matter WHEN the new OS is released? We should just let apple do what they do and get it right. Tiger is great. I use it everyday at work and at home. A new OS is nice, but I don't know why people seem to be so freaked out about a later release date.
Leopard's close shipping date is exactly the reason they're doing this. It's a priority list - they want to know what area to devote resources to the most.
There's time to make major changes, just not to the whole OS. If something is seriously broken (i.e. it gets a lot of complaints in this survey) they can at least know to make it a high priority. With less serious complaints, they can at least make provisional plans, estimate what all they need to get into the first major update to Leopard, and see where they can do some PR (i.e. if a feature gets bad feedback simply by the virtue of its existence, they can promote it in a way that will make it less prominent or explained differently).
It's a rather vague list, so I don't expect they'll use it to make any specific changes. Nowhere does it ask "does the new Dock suck?" (though they might get a bit of that in the comments).
There's time to make major changes, just not to the whole OS. If something is seriously broken (i.e. it gets a lot of complaints in this survey) they can at least know to make it a high priority. With less serious complaints, they can at least make provisional plans, estimate what all they need to get into the first major update to Leopard, and see where they can do some PR (i.e. if a feature gets bad feedback simply by the virtue of its existence, they can promote it in a way that will make it less prominent or explained differently).
It's a rather vague list, so I don't expect they'll use it to make any specific changes. Nowhere does it ask "does the new Dock suck?" (though they might get a bit of that in the comments).
It would be nice to have a release on October 15th
Although if we do in fact have to wait a few more months (which I hope we don't), then I would be all for it. Ship a OS that was not rushed and polished.
First post btw, hello everyone!
Although if we do in fact have to wait a few more months (which I hope we don't), then I would be all for it. Ship a OS that was not rushed and polished.
First post btw, hello everyone!
Like Microsoft?
Maybe it makes them think that they are copying Microsoft in more ways than they will admit. Like the many delays in Vista. The large wasted area at the top of Numbers looks like MS Office 2007's ribbons.
Bill the TaxMan
Maybe it makes them think that they are copying Microsoft in more ways than they will admit. Like the many delays in Vista. The large wasted area at the top of Numbers looks like MS Office 2007's ribbons.
Bill the TaxMan
That's interesting. When VISTA got delayed, we all laughed at MS.
Now leopard is delayed, you are telling me it doesn't matter?
Oh it matters, but Leopard hasn't gotten as bad as Vista yet. We still have several years to go before it becomes as bad as Vista.
if they really wanna push it they could release Leopard in Hawaii or some Pacific island near New Zealand
I hope they are working on the bugs... I stopped receiving help on my tickets I submitted. Doubt I upgrade to Leopard, at least for a while.
Hello ant, welcome welcome....
I'm....... looking forward to October still, but this questionnaire does raise some questions:
Is it not more than a little late in the day for them to be asking such questions? If so, will there be delays? If not - is this just for marketing purposes?
I wonder...
Woah, really? That sounds like they're really busy...
Delays likely
Based on my use of the latest few builds, there is a LONG road to go for stability and integration and consistency.
We have lost out on some features like rudimentary ZFS and some other under the hood stuff from earlier versions. Not horrible, but I get the feel this is very rushed and taxing the resources of Apple.
I think the cat got let out of the bag with the iPhone way too early. I think the MacWorld announcement was damage control and they forced out a release in June with basic functionality, pulled resources from OS X and iLife and are now regrouping a bit.
I love my iPhone, but it has an unfinished feel. I am confident it will get some updates, but its not up to the expected polish you expect from Apple.
Leopard is nice. But thats is just it, its only nice. All of these secret features were more evolutionary than revolutionary. Timemachine rocks and will change the way we work for sure, but some of what is considered a major feature is just not that substantial, and in my case not very compelling. In the latest build, we have stability issues. ESPECIALLY with older machines, i.e. PPC machines. Apple is never into optimizing for old Macs, but this version will impact those of us with G5 and G4 machines. Yes, I will upgrade soon, but My dual G5 has a few more months in her yet.
iLife is also a let down. Again, I have it and its buggy as sin. I like the overall direction of iPhoto, but on a mac where it was relatively peppy its like molasses. The new iMovie should be called iVid or iMovie light. Its got potential, but I give up too much for it and gain little. I am quite adept with iMovie and I loose nearly every feature I have come to love. The new version makes it easy for my mom to make and edit a quick movie, but set me back a ton. I guess Apple wants the ell up to FCE. But it would be nice to migrate my myriad of costly plugins somewhere.
All in all, it is my OPINION that Apple is experiencing some growing pains and was forced into early admission and release of the iPhone at the expense of iLife and Leopard. I also think based on my experiences that Leopard is far from hard beta and being mid August, if they want to ship in October they need to press in early October that leaves 8 to 9 weeks of development time.
I have been coding a long time, and 8 to 9 weeks can fly by, especially at the bug finding and tracking down the minutia stage of things. I hope Apple can pull it off, but I also hope they have the foresight to pull a mea culpa and delay till January to polish it off.
The stars are aligned and Apple could pull off a nice victory in the public eye with a solid OS release. But they will take a pounding if Leopard is anything less than rock solid stable.
All opinion, but I have to say I want to believe the best is possible, but have been a bit under whelmed by what is coming out of Cupertino lately. I think they can do it, but somehwhere about 10 to 18 months ago, they lost direction and lost time and are working all night to make it up.
Based on my use of the latest few builds, there is a LONG road to go for stability and integration and consistency.
We have lost out on some features like rudimentary ZFS and some other under the hood stuff from earlier versions. Not horrible, but I get the feel this is very rushed and taxing the resources of Apple.
I think the cat got let out of the bag with the iPhone way too early. I think the MacWorld announcement was damage control and they forced out a release in June with basic functionality, pulled resources from OS X and iLife and are now regrouping a bit.
I love my iPhone, but it has an unfinished feel. I am confident it will get some updates, but its not up to the expected polish you expect from Apple.
Leopard is nice. But thats is just it, its only nice. All of these secret features were more evolutionary than revolutionary. Timemachine rocks and will change the way we work for sure, but some of what is considered a major feature is just not that substantial, and in my case not very compelling. In the latest build, we have stability issues. ESPECIALLY with older machines, i.e. PPC machines. Apple is never into optimizing for old Macs, but this version will impact those of us with G5 and G4 machines. Yes, I will upgrade soon, but My dual G5 has a few more months in her yet.
iLife is also a let down. Again, I have it and its buggy as sin. I like the overall direction of iPhoto, but on a mac where it was relatively peppy its like molasses. The new iMovie should be called iVid or iMovie light. Its got potential, but I give up too much for it and gain little. I am quite adept with iMovie and I loose nearly every feature I have come to love. The new version makes it easy for my mom to make and edit a quick movie, but set me back a ton. I guess Apple wants the ell up to FCE. But it would be nice to migrate my myriad of costly plugins somewhere.
All in all, it is my OPINION that Apple is experiencing some growing pains and was forced into early admission and release of the iPhone at the expense of iLife and Leopard. I also think based on my experiences that Leopard is far from hard beta and being mid August, if they want to ship in October they need to press in early October that leaves 8 to 9 weeks of development time.
I have been coding a long time, and 8 to 9 weeks can fly by, especially at the bug finding and tracking down the minutia stage of things. I hope Apple can pull it off, but I also hope they have the foresight to pull a mea culpa and delay till January to polish it off.
The stars are aligned and Apple could pull off a nice victory in the public eye with a solid OS release. But they will take a pounding if Leopard is anything less than rock solid stable.
All opinion, but I have to say I want to believe the best is possible, but have been a bit under whelmed by what is coming out of Cupertino lately. I think they can do it, but somehwhere about 10 to 18 months ago, they lost direction and lost time and are working all night to make it up.
Fast, polished, solid
Most things are the same (i.e. great) no things are worse, a few things are better. Compared to Tiger there is no revolution here. I think what is mainly happening is that in Tiger, foundations were laid for many things. Lots of new technologies were deployed under the hood and have been there for developers, but in Leopard they are now being used throughout the system itself. Core Data, Core Animation, those sorts of things. Leopard runs on all cylinders and I believe it is going to be very fast, very polished, and very solid.
Most things are the same (i.e. great) no things are worse, a few things are better. Compared to Tiger there is no revolution here. I think what is mainly happening is that in Tiger, foundations were laid for many things. Lots of new technologies were deployed under the hood and have been there for developers, but in Leopard they are now being used throughout the system itself. Core Data, Core Animation, those sorts of things. Leopard runs on all cylinders and I believe it is going to be very fast, very polished, and very solid.
*snippet*
I'm not going to say anything groundbreaking except this.If you have been doing a lot of coding it must be on the PPC and not Intel.
Next time you're playing with Leopard go have a look at the Intel code for the Kernel..
I'm not going to say anything groundbreaking except this.If you have been doing a lot of coding it must be on the PPC and not Intel.
Next time you're playing with Leopard go have a look at the Intel code for the Kernel..
Where does anything, anywhere, say that?
It's not optional, by the way. It's always translucent and there appears to be no way to make it solid by any setting at all. At least not visible.
So no... as it stands now the menubar is only what you see.
Agreed... it seems like Apple has too much on their plate right now. I sure hope Leopard isn't as much of a disappointment as iMovie 08... I heard it sucked. Also, lately it seems as if Apple's getting lazier... I hardly get excited for anything anymore... I'm not even excited about Leopard and usually I can't wait for new OSes to be released. Apple is going in the wrong direction and they're acting more and more like Microsoft all the time... I'm kind of tired of it. What happened to the good old software that really made the Mac stand out... now-a-days even Mac users are bashing Macs... that's just not right.
The icons on these Finder buttons are still one or two pixels too low:
Also, the arrows are too close to the center line... it looks as if there's too much space on the pointed ends of them.
As a Mac user and ex-Apple employee - people put Apple in such high regard that Apple bashing by Mac users has been going on for 20 years. Nothing new there.
iLife 08 honestly is very good. A couple bugs that need to be fixed, but iMovie 08 is awesome. True it is not an upgrade to iMovie HD and that makes a lot of unhappy people, but iMovie HD internally could not work with AVCHD properly no matter how much work was put into it. Sure it could be made to import it, but in a very un-Mac like way. Apple really needed a whole new codebase for it and iMovie 08 is it.
Leopard is buggy, but that's nothing new. Tiger was very very buggy 2-3 months before release. Vista is still buggy, but was much more so in the RC1 phase (and we haven't hit RC1 yet in Leopard). And ZFS wasn't any more functioning in early builds than it is now. A lot of rumors and discussion about the possibilities, but not any more functioning so nothing was lost...
My wife's iPhone is awesome. Once we got 1.01, honestly we haven't see any bugs or issues with very very heavy use daily.
My two or three cents.
iLife 08 honestly is very good. A couple bugs that need to be fixed, but iMovie 08 is awesome. True it is not an upgrade to iMovie HD and that makes a lot of unhappy people, but iMovie HD internally could not work with AVCHD properly no matter how much work was put into it. Sure it could be made to import it, but in a very un-Mac like way. Apple really needed a whole new codebase for it and iMovie 08 is it.
Leopard is buggy, but that's nothing new. Tiger was very very buggy 2-3 months before release. Vista is still buggy, but was much more so in the RC1 phase (and we haven't hit RC1 yet in Leopard). And ZFS wasn't any more functioning in early builds than it is now. A lot of rumors and discussion about the possibilities, but not any more functioning so nothing was lost...
My wife's iPhone is awesome. Once we got 1.01, honestly we haven't see any bugs or issues with very very heavy use daily.
My two or three cents.
Hey Apple..
A bit late for a usability study, ya think?
This needed to be done at least a year ago.
A bit late for a usability study, ya think?
This needed to be done at least a year ago.
Okay... so you're happy. Awesome. I've been a hard core Mac user for 10 years or so and this is the first time I haven't been excited for an OS update. I'm losing faith... I really am.
or more commonly known as scope creep. It's a little late to make corrections for that.
puuukeey said:
Couldn't agree more. Computers are due for a new virtual work environment. Even if only an evolution of the Desktop, something different than a 1984-era would be nice. Core animation provides the simplicity and power to develop something great.