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Apple Asking Music Labels to Cut Prices on Music Streaming Subscriptions

AFDoc said:
LoL.... really? You're defending apple in this?
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LoL.... really? You want to give more money to the record companies?

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vartanarsen said:
Seriously…a coworker of mine, smiling, told me she listens to all her music now for free on Pandora. When I asked her don't you want to ever have pride in owning a song, and feeling good a bout music you actually bought and own, she just shrugged her shoulders and continued smiling..damn kids today are whats starving musicians, god forbid they ever pay for a song.

My first album I ever paid for I remember I was in 6th grade i think and I purchased G&R Appetite for destruction, I believe. It was a cassette, and it felt so good to own that cassette
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I can very much appreciate you you feel. On the other hand, the kids that I talk to don't even see CDs that they bought as "property" but just as a means of playing music, if they are buying CDs they are buying music that they are interested in right now and ignoring it a year or two later.
 
kmj2318 said:
Funny how people think a music today sucks when they're probably not even looking. If good musc is hard to find, you need Internet lessons. Music is better than ever because the labels aren't gate keepers anymore. Imagine trying to be indie decades ago. "Can I have a record deal?" "No" "Okay then" There's so much more opportunity now for self starters, but people will only see what's being taken away, not what's being added.
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Yup. Kids/young adults are more interested in the current trend and fashion and not music that can change their life.
Fast food music is what they like.
Eat, crap, repeat.

Here's a good site with indie bands/music.
http://www.reverbnation.com/
 
Streaming is harmful to artists. Making it cheaper is a horrible idea. There are way more bands that are struggling than there are those that fill stadiums. They need revenue from sales. I use Spotify, but only so I can decide what music to purchase.
 
farewelwilliams said:
"ok Apple, sure."

*goes to artists*

"hey umm..you guys will now get nothing. kthx"
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Apple's 30% is a good deal. Distributors usually get 50% or more.

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kerrikins said:
No matter how people try to justify the fact that they are cheap and want artists to create for free, the fact remains that it's crappy and it's impacting all sorts of creative people.
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The music model is continually changing. iTunes and TV awards shows are used for promotion, and concerts are used to make money.
 
Loge said:
iTunes Match should pay very little (if anything) because these are songs that the user has already purchased.
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I don't mind paying for iTunes Match because I get iTunes Radio included. With my jailbroken iDevices, I also get unlimited skips.
 
Beats has lousy interface in which the initial choice is not even close to what consumers want for their music. There ought to be a search box so that people can type in the name of an artist to speed up the process. A failure in my opinion!
 
JHankwitz said:
The music model is continually changing. iTunes and TV awards shows are used for promotion, and concerts are used to make money.
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Only thing that's changed is the distribution model of media. Digital growing at the expense of physical. There are cost savings involved with going digital but that doesn't mean the value of media suddenly becomes zero.
 
JHankwitz said:
The music model is continually changing. iTunes and TV awards shows are used for promotion, and concerts are used to make money.
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Yeah, that's what all the digital content thieves keep saying...:rolleyes:

I wish I could go to someone's place of business, grab something I want to sample and walk out without paying. Then later, if I decide I liked what I took, I pay them.
 
ronwasserman said:
It is getting worse although I still make a pretty substantial amount from iTunes worldwide. That being said, TV is my real bread and butter.

But things are slowly getting worse for bands-musicians-songwriters-producers-studios and so on.
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Ahhh - since the 90s.

BTW, tell Cathy a guy who worked with her when she worked at Audio FX in the mid 90s said hello. I worked at the studio they owned. ;)
 
Streaming is not very lucrative for unsigned artists. So if you cut the per-play rate it only favors the labels because the labels get a nice big check for access to their catalog which doesn't directly go to artists. Of course, label artists benefit from this because then they have support from the label but this does not apply to indie artists or labels. Indies get only the streaming rate which is so little it's probably not worth it if you're an indie label not taking a chunk of the band's tour money.

The idea that touring will support an artist is unrealistic. Unless there is a support structure for the artist and promotion there is no touring. And even then.... there is so little money unless you are popular enough to get on a festival circuit.

Nor does any of this support the producers, programmers or engineers. pre-filesharing their income was mostly from royalties. Now it comes from fees, yet record budgets have been slashed from $350,000 an album to $55,000 being a great budget for a new artist (non-pop).

Like anything, you get what you pay for.
 
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OtherJesus said:
The biggest area of opportunity for Apple is the user interface.

You're lying to yourself if you think the UI of the Spotify app is as good as it gets, because it's pretty bad.

How many times do I need to reach to the top left over and over?
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Have you heard about "Favorites"?
 
kmj2318 said:
Funny how people think a music today sucks when they're probably not even looking. If good musc is hard to find, you need Internet lessons. Music is better than ever because the labels aren't gate keepers anymore. Imagine trying to be indie decades ago. "Can I have a record deal?" "No" "Okay then" There's so much more opportunity now for self starters, but people will only see what's being taken away, not what's being added.
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Agreed.

When most people say 'music sucks' they are referring to music on the radio and popularized by media. This music is made mostly for teenagers.

There is plenty of good music out today, much more than was ever available in the past. Back then, I was a slave to what the radio stations would play or what you could find in a record store. Now it's really easy to find some artist in some country or genre you've never listened before, make a station about them, and find new music.
 
ChrisA said:
Because of Amazon MORE people are reading and MORE authors are finding readers.
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Sure, more people are reading. But fewer authors are able to make money writing, since nobody wants to pay more than a buck for an ebook that hasn't been fed through an editing process.

And without that editing process, the end product is much worse than it could be.

So let's see. Books aren't as good, authors don't make as much money, and people don't want to pay for books. This is the fruit of Amazon's business model. Let's not do that to music as well.
 
kingtj said:
Now, everyone's turned loose to sift through all the music out there and discover for themselves what they think is good.
I think that's awesome, BUT, it's also time-consuming and you will hear a lot of lousy tracks in the process.
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And I think that's the market for high quality radio and for premium streaming services...
For instance, I often find new stuff by listening to radio (FIP in France for instance).
Likewise, my streaming service (Qobuz) has a pretty decent editorial side. They maintain an "ideal discotheque" by genre - for instance, I recently got into jazz and this let me discover the best artists pretty quickly. Likewise, they pick the best artists each month, they make playlists based on the choice of the reference magazines in each genres...

I think this kind of editorial service justify paying a little extra for your streaming service, because it saves a lot of time and makes it easier to discover new artists.
 
gnasher729 said:
LoL.... really? You want to give more money to the record companies?

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I can very much appreciate you you feel. On the other hand, the kids that I talk to don't even see CDs that they bought as "property" but just as a means of playing music, if they are buying CDs they are buying music that they are interested in right now and ignoring it a year or two later.
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Rather record company than apple. Don't worry, if apple has to pay more they'll be sure to pass it on to the consumer.
 
sundog925 said:
I have iTunes match. It's only my music. I want something completely random and the chance to discover new music, Durrr.
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iTunes Match includes iTunes Radio free of commercials. i

Tunes Radio sans commercials is the main reason I chose iTunes Match, not my own music. This makes it similar to Pandora One for only $2/month.
 
bbeagle said:
iTunes Match includes iTunes Radio free of commercials. i

Tunes Radio sans commercials is the main reason I chose iTunes Match, not my own music. This makes it similar to Pandora One for only $2/month.
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US only afaik. Or at least not Canada.

Same with Beats, though. We're slowly getting services up here.
 
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