Apple Asks Developers to Return DTK Mac Minis in Exchange for $200 Credit Toward M1 Mac

[Apple Crusader]

Apple gave developers early access for a mere $500 so developers could transition their apps and make money. Now Apple wants their equipment back and gives developers $200. That’s fair. so developers are whining b/c they should be entitled to free things? Uh-uh. Some people just don’t appreciate their privilege and good fortunate.

Funny, I don't think you need to pay for privilege.

I must have missed that memo! I guess I must be privileged for the opportunity to use an iPhone because I paid for it. Just like I must be privileged to earn a paycheck by working for it.

/S

You should go look up the word privilege in the dictionary, then go look at your iPhone and Mac and see who developed the apps you use on a daily basis. Chances are, you use more than the stock apps and the stock apps probably use frameworks developed by non-Apple developers.

I never hear you complain about Apple whining about fairness, even though they have a history of it, especially with Samsung.

 

[Apple Crusader]

Hmm. Technical glitches of the DTK units aside, there seems to be some folks smart enough to develop software who apparently don't take the time to read the contracts they agreed to.

Do you read every contract you sign?

Chances are you just click through every TOS you come across. I'm pretty sure South Park has a whole episode about this.

Most definitely not safe for work: (Skip ahead to 40 seconds to get to the part about agreeing to the contract) Steve Jobs's HUMANCENTiPAD - YouTube (South Park)

 

[jdb8167]

Do you read every contract you sign?

Chances are you just click through every TOS you come across. I'm pretty sure South Park has a whole episode about this.

Most definitely not safe for work: (Skip ahead to 40 seconds to get to the part about agreeing to the contract) Steve Jobs's HUMANCENTiPAD - YouTube (South Park)

This wasn't click through license agreement to use some software. It was a business contract between the developer and Apple. I would hope that everyone (or nearly everyone) read the contract before agreeing.

 

[AppliedVisual]

Questions:

1. What are you able to accomplish on your M1 MBP that was impossible on a DTK?
2. How do you arrive at the conclusion EVERY developer needs an M1 Mac now?
oh and..
3. How come you didn't get a business discount on the M1 MBP you bought? Don't 'real' developers get business discounts????

Yeah, I know I’m late to the party on this response, but here it is...

1> We’re working an app that makes extensive use of CoreML and Metal or specifically a lot of GPU computation. The DTK is buggy and the A12Z does not support some of the functionality needed to run what we’re building. It compiles and runs fine on Intel Macs, but we couldn’t test it specifically on the DTK as we hit a wall. Apple wanted the DTK back because it couldn’t do what we needed and the timing was right to offer us the new MBP even if it was a bit early.

2> Not every developer needs an M1. But any developer building performance apps, games, etc.. it stands to reason that they should be testing on M1 hardware, especially if they’re releasing M1 native binaries. I would never release an M1 native app without testing on an M1 system, but that’s just me. That’s also good software development practice. I don’t like fixing stupid bugs right after I release something because I was too lazy or cheap to properly test.

3> No discount was offered. And that said, developers don’t get any specific discounts these days. Or at least not most of us smaller developers, maybe some of the real big guys do. Devs used to get discounted pricing similar to educational pricing through the developer program, but Apple does not offer that anymore and has not for a few years. I do get a small business discount through my local Apple Store and have a business sales representative. But that wasn’t a factor here... That‘s between myself and the sales rep as I average 20+ computer purchases per year for my company and clientele.

 

[Vimy]

They still have until September (actually 30 days after the program ends, so October) to return the Mac. Nothing in the email changes this requirement.

Agreement says the start date is when the user signed the agreement and it ends 1 year after that.

Are you going to admit you were wrong?

 

[farewelwilliams]

Are you going to admit you were wrong?

Where was I wrong? I said "Nothing in the email changes this requirement." Show me where in THAT email (not today's e-mail) changed the requirement. No date was stated, therefore the original 1 year term remained intact. It's not until they state the date is when the requirement changed. We have no idea if the new email is going to say the original terms or new terms.

Also read what I said in another post. I nearly predicted what the new email was going to say:

Now that's not to say that the email coming later this month could say they want the device earlier. It could say "please return before March 1" or it could say "please return by 30 days after the end of your program date". Fact is, we don't know based off the current email if the DTK needs to be returned earlier than 1 year. Therefore, the 1 year term remains intact.

Apple Asks Developers to Return DTK Mac Minis in Exchange for $200 Credit Toward M1 Mac

Yes I'm fully aware the Universal App Quick Start Program is a superset of the the DTK terms. There's a lot of fluff in your comments. I never said "Get ready to return the DTK" is voluntary. Getting ready is happening either way. Same with "we'll email you with instructions". Who said that's...

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