Unless they expect you to teleport it to Apple HQ, by definition any time between you receiving the instructions and them expecting it back, is a time window. This will probably blow your mind, given how anything not explicitly said or explicitly denied seems to be a "possibility" according to you, but they don't have to explicitly use the term "time window" for there to be a time window.
Let's say you're right (despite you saying "time window they will indicate" would mean Apple needs to mention a start and end date and not just indicating a date, but let's let that slide for now). The window is from the time of the email that is received and the time specified, as you said. Sending it out the same day and Apple receiving it the next day would be "early". Early, by definition, means an action happening near the beginning of a period. Since you're saying the time window is from the email received and the date mentioned, Apple receiving it the next day would be considered early because the action is happening near the beginning of the period.
My literal words were "If you return the DTK well before the due date, that would be early". Sending it out the next day after receiving the email is "well before the due date" and is early by definition. You can't dispute that. Something that is on time can be early.
You're right, just because the last date isn't known doesn't mean it is imminent. The "Get ready", "soon" and "few weeks" make it imminent.
No, as we already established, "soon" is subjective, which could mean a time that's completely not imminent. "Few weeks" is regarding when the upcoming email is coming that could either say "return in 1 week" or "return at the end of the 1 year term", again it doesn't make it imminent.
It's entirely possible that "Get ready" is Apple's way of telling the June receivers that their time is almost up, which their 1 year is coming to an end while the November receivers still have ways to go. It's also entirely possible it's telling people like Adobe who are extremely slow at "getting ready" for anything to prepare themselves. If you can't disprove those two possibilities, then you can't conclude "get ready" is proof of imminent deadline for all DTK owners.
Yes, I'm well aware that you think that receiving an email that says "get ready" you'll "soon" have to return the DTK and we'll send you instruction "in a few weeks" holds the possibility that the email you'll receive "in a few weeks" will tell you that you don't have to send back the DTK until after the summer.
I'm also well aware that you have no idea how ridiculous you sound when you broadcast that you consider that a possibility.
If you can't prove the imminent date, you can't disprove that possibility. Very simple.
I stand corrected. Doesn't change a thing about the argument I made though, you know, the one you completely sidestepped?
I didn't need to sidestep since "as much as it is applicable to the ones that received it just before the sign up for the UAQSP was closed." no longer applies in this case because the assertion was that "soon" is talking to the June holders in this mass email.
I never proclaimed to know exactly when the DTK needs to be returned, only that it will have to happen soon and that having to return it is imminent. So I'm said to say that it's not as much of a gotcha as you think it is.
Again, soon is subjective. And there's no hard evidence that to conclude that returns are "imminent" (which is slightly subjective) for November DTK receivers. You can point to "soon", "get ready", and "in a few weeks" again, in which I just point you to the previous reasons I gave in response.
My own comment? I'm flattered, but perhaps you should read it, it's why I wrote it after all.
Oops wrong link:
Yes I'm fully aware the Universal App Quick Start Program is a superset of the the DTK terms. There's a lot of fluff in your comments. I never said "Get ready to return the DTK" is voluntary. Getting ready is happening either way. Same with "we'll email you with instructions". Who said that's...
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I don't know how you can accuse me of retroactively adjusting something when I mentioned March 1 quite early on in this argument.
That does remind me that back then you still openly thought the mention of the "one year" in the email pertained to the DTK, not realizing the DTK and the Universal App Quick Start Program are separately defined in the agreement with the possibility to recall the DTK independently from the program's termination date.
Glad you at least dropped that idea.
No. I'm well aware of the distinction. I've generally noticed that most forum members on here don't read long posts, so I try to not get too literal because they generally don't read long posts. I would post snippets of articles, but they'll ignore it. So I oversimplify until they give up (which happens a lot) and move on.
I looked, I did, but I couldn't find it. And given the fact that you drudged up some old tweet from last June, I assume you did too, but you can't find yourself saying that and that's why you didn't link it. Why you instead linked to my own comment however is beyond me.
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"Now that's not to say that the email coming later this month could say they want the device earlier. It could say "please return before March 1" or it could say "please return by 30 days after the end of your program date". Fact is, we don't know based off the current email if the DTK needs to be returned earlier than 1 year. Therefore, the 1 year term remains intact."
Yes I'm fully aware the Universal App Quick Start Program is a superset of the the DTK terms. There's a lot of fluff in your comments. I never said "Get ready to return the DTK" is voluntary. Getting ready is happening either way. Same with "we'll email you with instructions". Who said that's...
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I linked your post because I meant to right click the date to copy the link to my post, but the the link to your post was directly under that line and I misclicked.
What are you even on about? You proved nothing, nor was it you who was willing to bet, I made no comment on my willingness and where does the number $220 comes from?
You said "wisely chosen to back paddle and retroactively adjusted your stance" is ignoring my March 1 comment because my March 1 comment is proof that I'm not back paddling/retroactively adjusting my stance.
$220 is my way of answering your question "so tell me what's in your wallet? I'd like to know what I've won?" which implies you've (sarcastically) taken on my bet)
It's all very incoherent and beyond normal logic.
It's a bit rich coming from a person that threw together many oversized images (which you felt the need to type out what the screenshot said in quoted format, adding too much redundancy), and mixed in with inconsistent double/triple/quadriple spacing all in one post. I don't think anyone read that post in its entirety.
But I guess you feel I'm cornered somehow about… you thinking that there's a chance Apple will not ask you to return on short notice? Guess you got me there, it's my worst nightmare.
Putting more words in my mouth again. Never said that, but ok.
Either way, I think we're pretty done here. I'll try to remember to tell you "I told you so" when we get the follow up email and I guess I wish you luck with your Q-Anon-esque logic bending 👋🏼
That only proves what I said where the upcoming email could say any deadline. In which case you'll definitely need to pay up the $220 as that proves my prediction. 🤣
