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I love how you apple apologists react. "I see no issue with this. Apple shouldn't have to pay more. It's not apple's fault. A negotiation is fair. more excuses...."

You can't even get apple to PRICE MATCH. How do you expect landlords to give apple a break? GTFO here. Use their billions upon billions of reserved CASH to help them thru the crisis. This is what savings is for. Basic course in accounting 101.
Nobody is forcing the landlords to give apple a break. And Apple isnt even asking for that. it’s offering an exchange - in exchange for short term rent reduction, an increase in overall payments by extending the lease. If the landlords don‘t like that deal, they are free to stick to the existing lease. Why is this so horrible?
 
This is a very weird response. Apple is offering the landlords a deal. The landlords don’t have to take it. If the landlords want their full rent, they can have it.

And, in accordance with the existing lease contracts, when the lease is over apple is free to pull their store and put it somewhere else. Fair is fair.

Well, it's not fair. At all.
 
What’s not fair about it? Apple should be forced to renew their leases forever?

Who is even stating they must? We get it, you think Apple is the victim, but you don’t have to fill the gaps with fantasy
 
Apple is running a for-profit business and I'm sure the landlords are as well. I see this being normal behavior.
Apple is also trying to come across as a benevolent company. So while stunts like these may be completely within their rights, they’re also very stupid.
 
Must have missed something. There’s something wrong with negotiating lease agreements? Why should apples earnings have any bearing on this?

That notion is why modern capitalism is causing such economic disparity. There is inherently no sense of responsibility based on financial circumstances. Like taxes, there is nothing illegal here - but the law should be changed so a trillion dollar company's financial input helps small traders and the wider community. Apple stores are not out in the middle of fields - there is a trading environment around each shop - places to eat, get coffee, buy other products. The more you make, the more you contribute, and this includes rent. My opinion natch, but I don't think it is unfair.
 
You can go buy a lower priced phone from a different company. Lower price.

Apple can decide to lease a space from a different landlord. Lower price.

Same damn thing.

Horrible analogy you threw out there.
The analogy works perfectly. Well done on missing the point of it completely.
 
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Maybe the landlords should cut rent 100% in exchange for 30% of the revenue the store generates? ;)

Percentage leases are common in retail, especially in shopping malls.

Given the benefits that Apple stores bring, it probably has leveraged that to negotiate more favorable terms (percentage rate and breakpoints) than other retailers can. But it would be foolish, and risky, for a landlord to completely sacrifice base rent unless a breakpoint was set artificially low, even with such an abnormally high percentage rate, in the theoretical situation proposed.

Your attempt at sarcasm can be understood, but that's how it can, and does, actually work in commercial real estate.

That is an important distinction, because most commenters are undoubtedly interpreting the situation through the prism of being a residential renter, a different kettle of fish.

But that's not how commercial real estate operates. The rules and style of play are different, so while what is occurring with Apple, and other retailers, may seem shocking, or perhaps unjust, is not unusual.

In contrast to residential leases, most types of commercial leases are biased against the tenants, so for Apple, and others, to seek to renegotiate for more favorable terms that reflect current market circumstances is perfectly normal, and expected.

For their part, Apple's landlords may not warmly welcome the move, but they're not going to be shocked by it either, since it's part of the business, and the next phase of the game will be played out in negotiations.

Given the enormous uncertainty in the near term, and almost complete likelihood that this health crisis will forever alter the nature of retail shopping, and accelerate the existing decline of brick & mortar retail, it would behoove the landlords to sit down with Apple, and other retailers to hammer out deals where both can preserve the relationship as best as possible, and provide some desperately needed stability, and a level of certainty.
 
This is Apple’s sick attempt at trying to take advantage during a pandemic. They just had a record quarter and then they turn around and ask for 50% off? It’s disgusting and I hope they don’t get away with it. Other high street brands were already on their knees before this pandemic whereas Apple has benefited greatly during it. Shame on you, Tim Cook.
 
LOL. So you people want Apple to pay rent for retail stores when all it's sales are online?
Apple would not be working for the share holder's best interest, if the rents have fallen all around and Apple keeps pays Pre-Covid prices.
 
Because most retailers are asking for discounts because they are losing money due to recent events. It's kind of like Bill Gates haggling with a mom and pop shop about a $20 item.

There's nothing technically wrong with it. But it feels icky.
That's not how capitalism works. Best deals are given to the person who needs it the least.
 
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This isn't Apple taking advantage of the little guy. Any commercial real estate company whose holdings include properties suitable for an Apple store likely has significant assests in its own right, not uncommonly in the multi-billions. For instance, the closest Apple store to me is in a mall owned by a company whose assets are $28.5B. Not as big as Apple, of course -- after all, only a few companies in the entire world are. But still big players in their own right. Apple isn't asking for rent forgiveness, they're asking for rent reduction, which means the loss of income due to COVID is being shared between Apple and the commercial real estate company.

The people we should be more concerned that Apple treats right during the pandemic are the true little guys—namely its own retail store employess. And thus far, if I understand correctly, Apple hasn't laid any of them off. That's what's truly important.

 
Is this Apple; or just people from Apple UK who are trying to get a better deal and bigger bonus for themselves!?
 
Being apple, the wealthiest company in the world, asking for any form of relief or cost reduction is going to automatically put them in a controversial position because, well, they have a trillion dollar value and several hundred billion in cash. Had the company not been Apple, but a small retailer, nobody would’ve argued rent reduction like this.

Apple is offering a trade, not asking for relief. Property owners can have more cash now and hope that they are in a better position for negotiating a renewal when these contracts expire, or they can give up some cash now for a long term extension at a known rate. They will need to decide which they think makes more sense.

For me personally, given their bean counter nature, it is not so surprised that they negotiate a better renting contract with their landlord.

This is completely voluntary on the part of the property owner. If they do not think the extension is worth the rent decrease they do not have to take it.

But at the same time, pocketing all the wealth during this darkest time

You mean selling products to people that they want to buy? Should they stop selling things now? What exactly do you want?
 
Because most retailers are asking for discounts because they are losing money due to recent events. It's kind of like Bill Gates haggling with a mom and pop shop about a $20 item.

There's nothing technically wrong with it. But it feels icky.

These property companies are usually not small companies and certainly not the properties many of Apple Stores are located in.

I would be surprised if any of them are under 10 million pounds companies.
 
My income has dropped enormously as part of the pandemic. Does that mean I deserve to get a 50% discount on a new iPhone from them?

Neither you or Apple deserves a reduction in cost from another commercial company.
Also companies should not be part of the welfare system deciding who gets help or not.
 
I wonder how they’ll go when they want to lower the business rates ? Which are ridiculously high in most cases

You can negotiate with a landlord , good luck doing the same with the voa .....
 
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