mad jew said:Yours is lucky. I ate mine.
I've heard roo tastest pretty nasty. Koala on the other hand.....Mmmmm
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I've heard roo tastest pretty nasty. Koala on the other hand.....Mmmmm
barneygumble said:Another thing americans lack, a sense of irony
Note to all Americans I've had 8 beers (home brew too it is strong stuff)
Maybe other American. I personally love my irony. I personally cant stand wrinkled clothing.
Sorry bad joke. Too early in the morning.
SiliconAddict said:
I have to agree: THe buzz in the media is that Apple has the labels over a barrel but what is the real threat that Apple holds? Is that if the labels don't play ball with them, take their ball and go home, digital piracy will comeback with a vengence? The record labels will just start up their own iTunes-like site, watch it fail miserably and say that online music downloading is dead. I think they really think that they can go back to the 80's.
So what does Apple have to counteract this threat? An unspoken threat that if the labels refuse to re-up their contract, Apple's next iTune's update will strip off all the DRM and create some program that makes sharing digital content EXTREMELY easy?
What the hell is a 'BankCard' anyway?barneygumble said:
Why not just get a standard VISA debit card from your bank?
On topic, it seems that Apple is getting a reasonable profit from the iTMS Australia. It'll be interesting to see how the future goes - I do know that I'm not going to buy music more than 3 years old on iTMS however, because CD prices drop in shops quite drastically - £7, £5, even £3 over here in England.
is it possible to download music from another country's store? if so, why go to all the trouble to create individual stores for different countries... just add more content to the U.S. store (assuming people can download from it from all over the world, if not, this is moot)
I personally prefer cds. (because I am a natural resource wasting American )
I personally prefer cds. (because I am a natural resource wasting American
)
barneygumble said:Yeah i am gonna have to walk to work tommorow, my kangaroo needs a rest
I'll trade your Kangaroo for a beaver pelt. I'm sure the Kangaroo would make a great pet for my igloo. I could ride him 200km to the next igloo...er I mean 124.27424 miles, how dare I use such a marginal system of units?
I too am getting frustrated with these non-Canadian news items. I mean what's an amateur dog sled racer going to do if he has to spend his time reading stories about Australia?
David the inuit from Canada
asphalt-proof said:I have to agree: THe buzz in the media is that Apple has the labels over a barrel but what is the real threat that Apple holds? Is that if the labels don't play ball with them, take their ball and go home, digital piracy will comeback with a vengence? The record labels will just start up their own iTunes-like site, watch it fail miserably and say that online music downloading is dead. I think they really think that they can go back to the 80's.
So what does Apple have to counteract this threat? An unspoken threat that if the labels refuse to re-up their contract, Apple's next iTune's update will strip off all the DRM and create some program that makes sharing digital content EXTREMELY easy?
What Steve Jobs said: "If they want to raise the prices it just means they're getting a little greedy." "If the price goes up people will go back to piracy. Then everybody loses"
What Steve Jobs meant: "I understand people. If I tell them the record companies are greedy for asking more, it's hard not to believe me after they started suing kids and killing software that had legitimate purposes as well as the potential for piracy.
If the price goes up, people SHOULD go back to piracy. In fact, I'm fully endorsing it. Keep the prices the same or I'll continue to tell people to steal your music. It's not a hard sell; from their perspective you're trying to rip them off. We don't want that do we? Your best friend right now telling people to go pirate music again?
David
euh
If the record company's work together to rise the iTunes pricing, isn't this illegal cartel behavior?
If the record company's work together to rise the iTunes pricing, isn't this illegal cartel behavior?
Super Dave said:What Steve Jobs said: "If they want to raise the prices it just means they're getting a little greedy." "If the price goes up people will go back to piracy. Then everybody loses"
What Steve Jobs meant: "I understand people. If I tell them the record companies are greedy for asking more, it's hard not to believe me after they started suing kids and killing software that had legitimate purposes as well as the potential for piracy.
If the price goes up, people SHOULD go back to piracy. In fact, I'm fully endorsing it. Keep the prices the same or I'll continue to tell people to steal your music. It's not a hard sell; from their perspective you're trying to rip them off. We don't want that do we? Your best friend right now telling people to go pirate music again?
David
I agree I will go back to piracy if it goes above any more than $1.05USD i will revert to my old ways!!! Almost forgot why would they raise the price after all they are saving on shipping20¢or so each, CDs 10¢, Cases 50¢, Printing label & CDs 70¢ That about $1.50 savings each and a circuitcity, media play, ect they are about $4-$18 In fact they should go lower if any thing happens with the price
macidiot said:
It doesn't matter what country you come from macidiot, it is ALL news. If you want to see more of a northern hemisphere bias to the Mac based news you could try searching for some.
Macs are used all over the world including Australia AND New ZealandEDIT: Have you posted that article?
Unfortunately for us susannahyork the music industry is governed by greedy music execs and lawyers who want to confine our online music purchasing to the country we live in which means that you can only buy music from the online store of a given country if a) your IP address is from that country (few exceptions)susannahyork said:is it possible to download music from another country's store? if so, why go to all the trouble to create individual stores for different countries... just add more content to the U.S. store (assuming people can download from it from all over the world, if not, this is moot)
I personally prefer cds. (because I am a natural resource wasting American
b) you have a credit card and billing address in that same country
(if you are a Brit but are living and studying at a US university and have a US credit card and billing address then you could purchase from the US iTMS while in the UK aswell as purchasing from the UK iTMS using your UK credit card and UK billing address- sneaky eh?!)
I have to say that I found the article very interesting and scary. You need to be a lawyer AND an accountant just to figure out the pricing scheme!macidiot said:
andrewag said:And this is why the entire world hates Americans (assuming you are by the comparison to LA).
Perhaps my choice of words was not the best (it was pretty late when I wrote that). I didn't mean to imply any disrespect to Australia or Australians. However, in terms of a market for Apple, I do think it is marginal. Or small. I'm sorry if some find that offensive. But the reality is that it is a relatively small population of decent wealth. What is the potential market for iPods there? 2-5 million? If the Australian market disppeared for Apple how much would it impact them?
Apple and the US had nothing to do with creating the economic and population realities of Australia. So in this instance, your statement regarding hate towards America is misguided(unless of course it was tongue in cheek, I just noticed that smiley face...). America does a lot of stupid things deserving ridicule, especially recently. However, when it comes to the global economy we are flat out superior. And frankly, like it or not, the entire world is dependent on the American economy. Americans have the most wealth. But we also work harder and put in longer hours than anyone else to get that wealth. That's not being jingoistic, its reality. If people have a problem with that, or want to change that, they are welcome to stop buying Coca Cola, Procter & Gamble products, Gillette razors, Wrigley gum, watching movies, etc. Oh and stop exporting products to the US. And of course, stop using computers and the internet. Either that or develop their own OS, software, and routers. Oh, and increase Australia's population by about 50 million or so. And increase the avg. work week there to 43+ hours and vacation to less than 4 weeks/year. And completely reform the tax code there.
btw, this reply isn't directed solely at you andrewag. Its also to the string of replies calling me bigoted or whatever.
winmacguy said:It doesn't matter what country you come from macidiot, it is ALL news. If you want to see more of a northern hemisphere bias to the Mac based news you could try searching for some.
EDIT: Have you posted that article?
Yes, your right, it is news. It just doesn't seem worthy of page 1 macrumors. Clearly it is worth posting in Macbytes.
And here's the link to the article... I don't know if it will work (I linked through Yahoo and the Wall St. Journal is offering its content for free for one day only):
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB113140185186190419.html?mod=yahoo_hs&ru=yahoo
Especially as other companies continue to develop their own online download options. Apple currently dominates the market, but there is no necessary reason to believe they will continue to do so for more than a few years.SiliconAddict said:
The labels may even eventually work out that they can sell directly at a lower price than Apple and still have higher margins. Improbable, but not impossible.
barneygumble said:
Sorry, but Los Angeles is arguably a bigger market than Australia. Its easily bought more iPods and Macs than Australia. Throw in education and corporate sales, and I'd say Los Angeles is one Apple's most important markets. In fact, I'd argue that its critical to Apple.
California's economy by itself is ~9th in the world. Australia is around 18.
FYI, there are 9 Apple retail stores in the Los Angeles metropolitan area. There are 13 if you include Orange county. More than any other metropolitan area.
macidiot said:
I don't know if you are aware macidiot but the Chinese economy is what is having a huge effect on the demand of raw materials at the moment which is having a massive knock-on effect to the rest of the world. The population of China also massively dwarfs that of the US. I think your also going to see the consuming power of China over take the consumer power of the US in the next year or so for hi tech products and for demand for hi tech research and innovation. There are also a very large number of wealthy Chinese industrialists who are looking to grow their wealth.
That would be because as anyone living outside mainland USA would know it is much cheaper to buy Apple gear stateside than anywhere else in the worldmacidiot said:
macidiot if you posted the article through the standard submitting chanels it would then become a discussion forum like all the other articles. That might help you a bit more.macidiot said:
Kangaroo meat is actually pretty nice. You just have to be careful not to overcook it; anything beyond medium rare makes it too tough.SiliconAddict said:I've heard roo tastest pretty nasty. Koala on the other hand.....Mmmmm
Mix it with a sweet chili or plum sauce, and it's a fantastic meal. Yummy.
winmacguy said:
I absolutely agree that China is a powerhouse. I'm well aware of this. And yes, I'm well aware of China's effect on commodities. Actually I'm sure most people don't realize that China is just as much a factor with $60/barrel oil as the war in Iraq. Possibly even more so. I've said in other posts that China and Asia are the markets and competition of the future and that the EU-centric thinking of many is outdated. The EU is in decline for many reasons, among which are declining population and oppressive tax systems.
And most American companies realize this. Most are there in a big way. Unfortunately this reality has seems to have escaped Apple. Their presence in the Chinese market(other than contracting out manufacturing) is virtually non-existent.
In percentage numbers, I think it will be a long time till China rivals the US in per capita. However the population numbers are so much bigger than the US, if only 10% of China becomes wealthy, it would practically equal US buying power.
GorillaPaws makes an excellent point, probably the most accurate and level-headed of the thread, but I just had to point this out.
GorillaPaws said:
It would/will be interesting to see what happens if Apple is able to open up an iTMS store in China... just getting slightly back on topic Looks like Apple might also need to drop its prices in Australia to get on par with the existing music stores and bring their pricing down to a US 99c equivalent since they dont have to "ship CDs" out from the US everytime they sell a few tracks, they just host the files on a server.
Looks like Apple might also need to drop its prices in Australia to get on par with the existing music stores and bring their pricing down to a US 99c equivalent since they dont have to "ship CDs" out from the US everytime they sell a few tracks, they just host the files on a server.