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Apple Awarded iPhone and Multi-Touch Patent

lftrghtparadigm said:
Yep.

Goodbye, Pre. It was rather head-shaking to know you.
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Pre hasn't been released yet. They could simply replace the multi-touch gestures with some other gestures in their IP portfolio. I'm sure they have a whole slew of alternative gestures already developed. It won't be as cool, but at least they won't get sued for it.

This has minimal impact on the Pre.
 
crisss1205 said:
They probably didn't think Apple would be awarded the patent, honestly I didn't think they would get it either.
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Well... Palm is screwed now. They won't be able to sell the Pre for long and they will probably will also be sued.

I bet Palm's stock will fall a lot tommorow. I remember when the Pre was first announced, their stock rose about 40%. So now it's time for them to loose everything they gained.
 
So Long Pre ;)

Since when does the Storm use multi-touch? :confused:

I am very happy about this. Now not only will other companies NOT catch up to the infinitely superior iPhone interface, but even if they did they would get sued :D Looks like we are going to see lots more crappy wannabe touch screen phones to come.

And what's with the "Blog" and "Dictionary" apps on the home screen in the image? I would like to have those please Apple :D
 
alexbates said:
Well... Palm is screwed now. They won't be able to sell the Pre for long and they will probably will also be sued.

I bet Palm's stock will fall a lot tommorow. I remember when the Pre was first announced, their stock rose about 40%. So now it's time for them to loose everything they gained.
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Why? we have no idea how the multi touch of the pre works, if its different enough it could just stay as is.
 
Peace said:
Microsoft did not have it's surface device first and they got the technology ( read: purchased ) from Jeff Han of Perceptive Pixel, Inc. a full year after the iPhone was shown.
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Um, the surface was first demonstrated May 29, 2007... the iPhone was released on June 29, 2007. I'm sure you could count from all sorts of dates, but in live demonstration, microsoft showed it first. And when you buy out a company, their products and innovation becomes yours. There is no difference.
 
Maybe i'm missing it but didn't they just grant them 'implementations' of multi-touch as opposed to multi-touch as a whole?. Afterall Apple didn't really invent Multi-Touch did they?...didn't they just adapt specific parts of it into the iPhone?

On another note i don't really think this affects other competitors as much as fanboys want it to. So saying *insert company and product* is dead now is a bit...premature
 
Adokimus said:
Um, the surface was first demonstrated May 29, 2007... the iPhone was released on June 29, 2007. I'm sure you could count from all sorts of dates, but in live demonstration, microsoft showed it first. And when you buy out a company, their products and innovation becomes yours. There is no difference.
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The iPhone was demonstrated at the MacWorld 2007 Conference on January 9th 2007.


http://guides.macrumors.com/iPhone
 
Adokimus said:
Um, the surface was first demonstrated May 29, 2007... the iPhone was released on June 29, 2007. I'm sure you could count from all sorts of dates, but in live demonstration, microsoft showed it first. And when you buy out a company, their products and innovation becomes yours. There is no difference.
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The iPhone was first demoed at MacWorld in January 2007. In live demonstration, Apple showed the iPhone before Microsoft showed Surface.

As far as the rest of the who beat who, who cares? This patent is specific. I doubt it overlaps with Surface anyway.
 
Don't forget that a patent does not exist for a lifetime. When it runs out, everyon could use the patented technology. You do not own it forever...

It is so common in our age, how can you even discuss this patent-phenomenon? Patenting does exist since the 14th century... why bother for another?
 
Adokimus said:
Um, the surface was first demonstrated May 29, 2007... the iPhone was released on June 29, 2007. I'm sure you could count from all sorts of dates, but in live demonstration, microsoft showed it first. And when you buy out a company, their products and innovation becomes yours. There is no difference.
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You guys need to understand that the surface and iphone use two VERY different methods of multitiouch. The surface isnt actually touch sensative, it uses a slew of cameras and sensors to distinguish between fingers and those other objects its compatible with.

The iphone uses capacitive touch that can detect more than one input.
 
alexbates said:
I bet Palm's stock will fall a lot tommorow. I remember when the Pre was first announced, their stock rose about 40%. So now it's time for them to loose everything they gained.
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Don't be silly. Only Apple's stock plummets on rumor, vague innuendo, and anonymous speculation.

I'm sure Microsoft, however, will be putting its photocopiers on pause while it sorts out the implications....
 
Michael CM1 said:
Competition isn't defined as taking what someone else worked long and hard to develop and then slapping it together as your own creation. It's called copyright (or patent) infringement.

Look at it this way. I think it was IBM that initially created DOS to run computers. Apple said, "I think we can do this better." Then Apple created the Mac OS. Also, take the video game systems. Not much new had been done on these things in a while, then Nintendo develops a very new kind of controller. It makes some games available for people who had never played games, while the other two systems have great horsepower and make games look better.

There is a huge difference between copying and creating.

P.S. how did someone NOT make a huge deal about the "video" icon on the spec drawing? I figure someone would've said "VIDEO RECORDING IS COMING NEXT ON THE IPHONE!!!"
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However wasn't this patent submitted 3 years ago?
 
Adokimus said:
Err, you said that microsoft didn't have the technology until "a full year after the iPhone was shown." That is incorrect.
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Now you're nitpicking, you made a point to say that Microsoft showed it first. That was the main point, not if it was a year or not. Gracefully admit you were wrong, thats taking the high road.
 
Adokimus said:
Err, you said that microsoft didn't have the technology until "a full year after the iPhone was shown." That is incorrect.
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Please point me to a post of mine where I said that ?. And besides it doesn't matter because like others have said.
1. Apple showed touch first
2. MS paid for a different technology from Jeff Han of Perceptive Pixel. It's not MS stuff. It's typical MS buying somebody's technology and touting it as their own.
 
NT1440 said:
You guys need to understand that the surface and iphone use two VERY different methods of multitiouch. The surface isnt actually touch sensative, it uses a slew of cameras and sensors to distinguish between fingers and those other objects its compatible with.

The iphone uses capacitive touch that can detect more than one input.
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Yeah, but Apple didn't patent capacitive touch or any other input device, but rather the method or "implementations" of multi-touch, such as pinching to zoom... which microsoft does on a larger scale. It's one thing to patent technology, but something completely different to patent intuitive and obvious uses for that technology...
 
Hahaha! Go, Apple!

Seriously though- the Pre's going down. They're going to have to re-work the interface or something to get rid of the multi-touch gestures.
 
Peace said:
Please point me to a post of mine where I said that ?. And besides it doesn't matter because like others have said.
1. Apple showed touch first
2. MS paid for a different technology from Jeff Han of Perceptive Pixel. It's not MS stuff. It's typical MS buying somebody's technology and touting it as their own.
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"Microsoft did not have it's surface device first and they got the technology ( read: purchased ) from Jeff Han of Perceptive Pixel, Inc. a full year after the iPhone was shown."

There. You did say it, but it wasn't the important point of the discussion anyway.
 
Adokimus said:
Um, the surface was first demonstrated May 29, 2007... the iPhone was released on June 29, 2007. I'm sure you could count from all sorts of dates, but in live demonstration, microsoft showed it first. And when you buy out a company, their products and innovation becomes yours. There is no difference.
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What, check what you write. Demonstrated is far different than from Released. iPhone was demoed on Jan7, 2007. But either way, this patent was made in 2006, way before anyone even though of creating touch screen phone. Surface is using completely different way of detecting the touch, that's why is SOOOO HUUUGEEEE.
 
Adokimus said:
Yeah, but Apple didn't patent capacitive touch or any other input device, but rather the method or "implementations" of multi-touch, such as pinching to zoom... which microsoft does on a larger scale. It's one thing to patent technology, but something completely different to patent intuitive and obvious uses for that technology...
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If its so intuitive and obvious then why was apple first to get it to market;) Thats how these things work. Apple gets it filed first so they get the rights.

And no, its not different, its purely patenting their IP. Patents arent supposed to be defenders of the free market.
 
Peace said:
Microsoft did not have it's surface device first and they got the technology ( read: purchased ) from Jeff Han of Perceptive Pixel, Inc. a full year after the iPhone was shown.
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Adokimus said:
Err, you said that microsoft didn't have the technology until "a full year after the iPhone was shown." That is incorrect.
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Peace said:
Please point me to a post of mine where I said that ?. And besides it doesn't matter because like others have said.
1. Apple showed touch first
2. MS paid for a different technology from Jeff Han of Perceptive Pixel. It's not MS stuff. It's typical MS buying somebody's technology and touting it as their own.
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Done.
 
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