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Apple Awarded Patent Detailing Facial Detection and Recognition System for Devices

BJMRamage said:
wow, weird.. our phones will know more about us than other people will
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yep...

Just plain freaky. And tell me the part again where waving over ya phone on the Galaxy Notes was a waste ??

Face training ? lol Forget that.... You'd look enough of a goof "training" for Touch ID as is on the iPhone 5S.

And even then "You must train from different angles of your finger" so funny ....

Ok,, if we ever DO finally get these things set up, can it be made easier and NOT cooler ?

That, alone would be a great benefit.
 
Mannchild said:
NSA comments are so stupid. No one, much less the NSA, gives a crap about you.
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It’s not. NSA is only entity that has the capacity to keep track of everyone’s everything, just in case SOME day in the future they can used to hold SOMEONE into the corner where the country needs to put him.

That concept itself is not wrong, what’s wrong is that these information can be easily used by the officials in NSA to achieve personal goals.
 
hmm seems dodgy ground to me, their are lots of face detection systems out there, event the PS4 has one with the new camera. Apple has not come up with anything innovative with this and I do believe Android devices have had face recognition for unlocking for sometime now, so Apple has copied the idea.

Will be interesting to see exactly what Apple believes they have exactly done to differentiate it enough from all the other systems and get them a patent.
 
MacRumors said:
... competitors such as Samsung and Google have already touted simple facial recognition...
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And apparently the Android facial recognition is easy to fool with a snapshot.
Typical quick-and-dirty Google beta implementation.

What's that? You want references?
Here ya go: android+face+recognition+spoofed+with+a+photo

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apolloa said:
hmm seems dodgy ground to me, their are lots of face detection systems out there, event the PS4 has one with the new camera. Apple has not come up with anything innovative with this and I do believe Android devices have had face recognition for unlocking for sometime now, so Apple has copied the idea.

Will be interesting to see exactly what Apple believes they have exactly done to differentiate it enough from all the other systems and get them a patent.
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Oh, I dunno. Maybe Apple will ship a system that actually works.
 
koban4max said:
Hello NSA? They will know what you look like..lol.
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ThisIsNotMe said:
They already know what you look like.........
Its called Facebook or Linkedin.
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That doesn't prove anything. What if a tech-savvy terrorist (like say Edward Snowden, or Julian Assange) hacks in to your Facebook or LinkedIn?

This technology will allow friendly governments to better confirm the identities of the users of the accounts they are monitoring.

I, for one, welcome this. With improved government supervision of internet use, we'll all be able to sleep a little more soundly at night.
 
8281 said:
Soooo...facial recognition research, but we still can't run two apps at the same time on an iPad.
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You mean there is no app for running 2 apps at the same time ?

Seriously, what you want are MacBookMacAir features.

The iPad is not meant to be that kind of a device.

Will it come , possible as the two lines merge and more GB models are becoming available.
 
perealb said:
iOS devices can run multiple apps at the same time but I agree its UI can be improved. You are probably talking about having multiple "windows" on the same screen where each "window" run a different application. I suppose this doesn't attract enough people for Apple to consider implementing - it seems not such a user-friendly feature for most people. If it gets too complicate, Apple will not implement it in a mobile device. If they come up with an easy UI for that, I'm sure they will release it. When I had my iPad jailbroken, I had a tweak installed called Quasar. It did exactly that but it worked just like Windows. I'm sure some people liked it but it wasn't implemented for mobile use. The windows content became too small... I rarely used it.
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I get your point, but Apple's whole philosophy has been built around showing the consumer what they want, not waiting for them to make up their mind. It's a feature that would be incredibly useful, and Windows and Android have already created usable solutions. Real multitasking seems like a natural step after releasing productivity apps for free.

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polterbyte said:
2D face sensors have been obsolete for over five years. The simplest, most inaccurate technologies nowadays can spot and reject photos. This is a non-issue, and I'm sure Apple has been developing much better technology since they started dwelling in face recognition.

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Yes, and that has been reflecting in poorer and poorer sales for the iPad since, oh, let's see, never.
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I don't see why people wouldn't want this feature. It would differentiate the iPad from the iPhone as more of a productivity device, it would make the new iWork apps that much more attractive, and it would add value to the product. I don't think Apple's strategy should be, "well, it sells, good enough."
 
Another patent for an idea.
No process.
No algorithm.
Nothing detailing how to do it.
Just "we plan to do it".

Stupid software idea patents.
 
bigpoppamac31 said:
I hope this future feature can be turned off in preferences. I'll stick with my 4 digit password thanks.
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Actually, for the security conscious person, it sounds quite useful.

Instead of displaying an incoming call or message to just anyone facing your computer / phone, it could check to see if the person was you.

If it's NOT you, it could just show a simple notification and refuse to do anything more.

If it IS you, it could go ahead and show the caller ID and/or the whole message.
 
Reason077 said:
That doesn't prove anything. What if a tech-savvy terrorist (like say Edward Snowden, or Julian Assange) hacks in to your Facebook or LinkedIn?
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One of them is in the UK right now, where I'm reading your post as well. So the risk is much higher that he'll sue you for libel than hacking into your Facebook account. I'd say being called a "terrorist" on a widely read site like MacRumors is probably worth £100,000 or so.

Under UK law, you would lose a libel court case unless you _prove_ that either of these is actually a terrorist, which should be quite difficult, since the US government hasn't managed to do so. And not for lack of trying.
 
Mannchild said:
NSA comments are so stupid. No one, much less the NSA, gives a crap about you.
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That's not what makes them stupid. Here's what makes them stupid: Apparently someone assumes that when I use my phone, the phone could detect that it is indeed me, and send that information to the NSA. But who is "me"? The phone can only know that it is the same person who has been using the phone 90% of the time; it doesn't actually know who I am. But if the phone can send that information to the NSA, what would stop them from sending my actual photo? That would be a much simpler solution, and the NSA could compare that photo with their _huge_ database of photos, while my phone can only compare it to the very limited set of people that it has seen.
 
tongxinshe said:
It’s not. NSA is only entity that has the capacity to keep track of everyone’s everything, just in case SOME day in the future they can used to hold SOMEONE into the corner where the country needs to put him.

That concept itself is not wrong, what’s wrong is that these information can be easily used by the officials in NSA to achieve personal goals.
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I never said that what the NSA did was right or wrong, i simply stated someone this forum worrying that they matter enough for the NSA to care about them is dumb. This i not a political forum, its a apple forum, keep you NSA fears to yourself as they do not contribute to the discussion.
 
Tech198 said:
Face training ? lol Forget that.... You'd look enough of a goof "training" for Touch ID as is on the iPhone 5S.

And even then "You must train from different angles of your finger" so funny ....

Ok,, if we ever DO finally get these things set up, can it be made easier and NOT cooler ?

That, alone would be a great benefit.
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Face recognition IS easier - I use on my N7 and *never* have to retrain it like I do for touch ID on my 5S (which I've had for a month and have had to retrain so many times I've lost count).

And for the people saying it can be fooled by a photo - no, it can't, if you turn on blink recognition.
 
kdarling said:
Actually, for the security conscious person, it sounds quite useful.

Instead of displaying an incoming call or message to just anyone facing your computer / phone, it could check to see if the person was you.

If it's NOT you, it could just show a simple notification and refuse to do anything more.

If it IS you, it could go ahead and show the caller ID and/or the whole message.
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Yeah but you can (or should be able to) turn on or off anything that shows in the lock screen. I'll still stick with my 4 digit password thanks.
 
ArtOfWarfare said:
A 2D face sensor can easily be defeated with a printed picture of the authorized face.

Doing this in 3D would be interesting (then you need a very convincing mask or something to fool it...), but that's not what was patented here. Interesting the patent took so long (and was granted! It's so obvious / unoriginal / so many people have already done it, what on earth is there left to patent?)
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Yep. Apple obviously has a lot of pull with the USPTO....

This kind of patent should never have been granted and it's not likely to survive a challenge. The problem is that challenging these things is expensive, particularly for smaller entities.

It's how newcomers are kept at bay and innovation is strangled before it sees the light of day.

If Xerox had been as litigation-happy, the only Apple we'd know today would have been the Beatles label. :rolleyes:
 
Fingerprints and facial recognition are far safer than password which are now so complex and so many that people write them down where they will be discovered if the device is stolen, like on it!

Was there actually ever a problem having four-digit codes broken?
 
Android does this already. Welcome to the past Apple!

Yea yea, Google is evil...Android lags. blah blah blah... :rolleyes:

SockRolid said:
And apparently the Android facial recognition is easy to fool with a snapshot.
Typical quick-and-dirty Google beta implementation.

What's that? You want references?
Here ya go: android+face+recognition+spoofed+with+a+photo

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Oh, I dunno. Maybe Apple will ship a system that actually works.
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Sorry I got something in my throat...

*cough*Apple Maps*cough*
*cough*iPhone 4 attenagate*cough*


Even Tim Cook admitted Apple Maps sucks (at the time at least).

I don't use this feature though as it could be fooled by a picture. Although I think you have to blink to verify it's not a picture.
 
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