Apple Awards Executives 1,000,000 Shares of Stock to Stay Until 2016

[Frankied22]

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Go read your original post there Big Boy where you were Bragging "where CEOs don't get paid 1000x more than their workers"...

So in your Utopia a person can achieve whatever they strive for, .... so long as it's not "1000x more then their workers"....

I'll take my chances in America where ANYONE who is creative and works hard can become a Steve Jobs, Bill Gates, Larry Page, or Mark Zuckerberg.

Unfortunately they'll always be people like you. Uninterested in hard work, uninterested in education. Uninterested in working hard for the dream. No, it's much easier to Whine on an internet forum all day (Booo Hooo) and demand that the Gates', Jobs', and Page's of the world have their hard earn money STOLEN and GIVEN to you for FREE Health Insurance (Oh BOOOO HOOOO I can't stand it).

PLEASE evil billionaires, give Goratrix and the rest of the Liberals ANOTHER FREE Handout!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hahaha, you do realise that the 1% spend gazillions on media, self-help, propaganda to make you think like this. Dude, America has a good standard of living compared to most of the world, but America's in large part rich in large part because after the end of Breton Woods the $ become the world's reserve currency giving the states a huge competitive advantage. This is coming to an end now.

The US falls way down the list behind a long list of mixed economy nations across many different outcomes.

'Oooh, don't tax the uber-rich just in case in, by some huge fluke, I may join them one day'.

And free health care is excellent. I was able to quit my job (freeing up a job) and go freelance without worrying about the huge expense of paying for healthcare independently. What makes you think universal benefits make people lazy? In many European nations you can get a degree for free, meaning anyone can see social mobility regardless of Daddy's trust fund. And America's the land of getting ahead? Hahahah.

Even Henry Ford knew that you had to pay workers well else the market for the kind of goods he was making would be very small. Soon today's CEOs will wonder, 'If the middle class have been downsized, off shored, pay-froxen, their money inflated to worthlessness, and made to pay $$$$ for what used to be free, who they heck is going to buy our crap?'

Well said. I really wish higher education and healthcare was free or a lot cheaper in America. But alas, that will never happen because the insurance companies, lobbyists, and universities won't let that happen. How would they make all their money then?? It's retarded.

 

[divinox]

If I start taking stuff out of your house, it'll also be voluntary. If you don't like it, move.

Non-analogous. The common agreement says two things, a) these things are mine, and not yours to take b) if you take them anyway, we'll throw you in jail.

If you dont like it, move.

(Please feel free to try again. Just think first).

For dummies:

Why is it non-analogous? Because, the same common agreement is what makes taxation legitimate to begin with.

p.s. common is a ****-poor word. change it to "in-place agreement". because that is what it truly is. why it is so can and will differ over time.

 

[MacAudioPro]

Hahaha, you do realise that the 1% spend gazillions on media, self-help, propaganda to make you think like this. Dude, America has a good standard of living compared to most of the world, but America's in large part rich in large part because after the end of Breton Woods the $ become the world's reserve currency giving the states a huge competitive advantage. This is coming to an end now.

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Hey "Dude", I have a successful business that I started from scratch in my basement before branching out into a large office/studio complex that I had built and own outright.

So "Dude", don't tell me what can or can not be achieved in America by hard work and determination. It's people like you that people like me have to support.

So "Dude", go whine somewhere else. You're talking to the wrong guy about how to succeed in this country. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

 

[BraveArts]

Hhhhmmmmm, and nothing for Johnny Ive?????
Big mistake… Huge, I'd say!

 

[divinox]

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Well said. I really wish higher education and healthcare was free or a lot cheaper in America. But alas, that will never happen because the insurance companies, lobbyists, and universities won't let that happen. How would they make all their money then?? It's retarded.

You do know that we have insurance companies, universities and unfortunately lobbyists anyway, right? Further, universities would hardly bitch about it either (they still get funds). Also, state financed education does not equal no privately funded education. You can have both you know.

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Hhhhmmmmm, and nothing for Johnny Ive?????
Big mistake… Huge, I'd say!

The only mistake is you not reading the thread.

 

[jackc]

Non-analogous. The common agreement says two things, a) these things are mine, and not yours to take b) if you take them anyway, we'll throw you in jail.

If you dont like it, move.

(Please feel free to try again. Just think first).

For dummies:

Why is it non-analogous? Because, the same common agreement is what makes taxation legitimate to begin with.

p.s. common is a ****-poor word. change it to "in-place agreement". because that is what it truly is. why it is so can and will differ over time.

So the government can tax me all it wants because there is "in-place agreement"? Or only up to a certain amount? You seem to want it to go higher. When do I stop giving implied consent?

 

[CalWizrd]

Hhhhmmmmm, and nothing for Johnny Ive?????
Big mistake… Huge, I'd say!

Try reading all of the posts in the thread before you make a comment. At least, do some simple searches.

Then go back to sleep... You're a little late to the party.

 

[D*I*S_Frontman]

Hi! Read Rand Recently?

Not a fan. She makes some huge blunders with her "objectivist" philosophy, chief of which is that brilliant and gifted people are captains of industry we can't live without. "Captains of industry" are not unusually bright, at least not compared to many other professions. They just have a knack for making money, and competition for their roles is fierce and unrelenting. So, if all of the genius "productive" CEOs went into hiding in Colorado to pout about collectivism, as her Atlas Shrugged portrays, they'd be replaced in an instant by another wave of opportunistic entrepreneurs. The world wouldn't skip a beat. At least that would have cut her manuscript in half!

Also, people do NOT always behave in their financial best interests, often intentionally if they value other things more highly. Rand completely dismisses altruism as a real motivation, maybe due to her equally strident atheism and crass materialism.

taxes are 100% free and voluntary. dont like it, move.

You're right on that one. Probably why we have people here wanting to build huge fences to control the ridiculous demand of immigration. For as cruel a nation as we are reported to have, with all of this income disparity, the flood of immigrants, legal or othewrwise, is unrelenting.

Not that Sweden wouldn't be tempting. Love the snow and the fiords. I'm from Wisconsin, so I love beautiful pastoral winters. Could do without the picked herring, though.

 

[divinox]

Hey "Dude", I have a successful business that I started from scratch in my basement before branching out into a large office/studio complex that I had built and own outright.

So "Dude", don't tell me what can or can not be achieved in America by hard work and determination. It's people like you that people like me have to support.

So "Dude", go whine somewhere else. You're talking to the wrong guy about how to succeed in this country. You haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

I won the lottery once. I tried real hard to win too. Thus, anyone can. If they're not winning, they're quite simple not dedicated enough and thus deserve to lose.

And no, im not trying to downplay what you have accomplished. On the contrary, i applaud you for succeeding. However, in reality there is more too it than just trying real hard. Tons of people have tried hard in life, and yet died **** ass poor. Life, quite simply, doesnt work that way. There is no automatic reward system. No natural force creating fairness. Lifes a bitch. Thats why we should work together, rather than against each other. That way, all can achieve more.

 

[zachlegomaniac]

Seems appropriate under the circumstances and makes me want to reread and rewatch Fight Club. Guess I'll go rent it on my ATV.

 

[divinox]

Not a fan. She makes some huge blunders with her "objectivist" philosophy, chief of which is that brilliant and gifted people are captains of industry we can't live without. "Captains of industry" are not unusually bright, at least not compared to many other professions. They just have a knack for making money, and competition for their roles is fierce and unrelenting. So, if all of the genius "productive" CEOs went into hiding in Colorado to pout about collectivism, as her Atlas Shrugged portrays, they'd be replaced in an instant by another wave of opportunistic entrepreneurs. The world wouldn't skip a beat. At least that would have cut her manuscript in half!

Also, people do NOT always behave in their financial best interests, often intentionally if they value other things more highly. Rand completely dismisses altruism as a real motivation, maybe due to her equally strident atheism and crass materialism.


You're right on that one. Probably why we have people here wanting to build huge fences to control the ridiculous demand of immigration. For as cruel a nation as we are reported to have, with all of this income disparity, the flood of immigrants, legal or othewrwise, is unrelenting.

Not that Sweden wouldn't be tempting. Love the snow and the fiords. I'm from Wisconsin, so I love beautiful pastoral winters. Could do without the picked herring, though.

Without reading Rand, my guess is that she (also) fails to recognize the false paradox that is egoistic altruism. Then again, shes far from the only one.

p.s. fiords is norway, really. and... pickled herring is the bomb. living up north as i do, darkness kills you though. snow is nothing, but the darkness. damn. not cool at all.

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So the government can tax me all it wants because there is "in-place agreement"? Or only up to a certain amount? You seem to want it to go higher. When do I stop giving implied consent?

Never said "all it wants". Government is one actor. You, another. The exact arrangement is defined by the interaction of all actors, and in short is a function of power/might.

If those who want to raise taxes are more powerful than those who do not, tough luck. They will get their will through, and they will be right (as in have that right) in doing so.

Very simple, really.

(oh, and yeah. to expand on what "i want" will take too much time. i can say this though: i am quite happy paying the taxes that i do, and i say this living in the country with the second highest tax pressure in the world... just like i am happy working in academia earning less than half of what i would earn if i were working with IT in the private sector. there is more to life than hard cold cash. i wish you too come to realize that one day).

 

[jackc]

Never said "all it wants". Government is one actor. You, another. The exact arrangement is defined by the interaction of all actors, and in short is a function of power/might.

If those who want to raise taxes are more powerful than those who do not, tough luck. They will get their will through, and they will be right (as in have that right) in doing so.

Very simple, really.

Yes, simple. People with guns force me to pay taxes. You say they have the right, that's fine. Yet you have a problem with voluntary transactions if people get too rich.

(oh, and yeah. to expand on what "i want" will take too much time. i can say this though: i am quite happy paying the taxes that i do, and i say this living in the country with the second highest tax pressure in the world... just like i am happy working in academia earning less than half of what i would earn if i were working with IT in the private sector. there is more to life than hard cold cash. i wish you too come to realize that one day).

Really, I thought the purpose of life was accumulating piles of cash, and ruling over hordes of child labor. Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Piggie]

WTF does "class" get you?

Show me how classy you are. Send me a check.

It just always reminds me of a program I watched on Television a couple of years ago, about the homes of some of the most wealthy people in the world.

It was an American show, so naturally showed mostly their homes, and you know what. The homes were some of the most horrid, tackiest and tasteless homes I have ever seen in my life.

It was like people with more money than they know what to do with had walked into some fancy showrooms and said "What's the most expensive thing you have" Bought it, and put it into their homes, thinking that's what you do.

Mirror finish marble floors and columns, gold plated this and that, crystal chandeliers. Vast sums of money spent on something you almost needed a sick bucket when you saw it.

It's such a shame when some people think money and material possessions are all that matters in life and the be all and end all of everything.

 

[techwhiz]

Apple Exec Awards

And the rank and file that do the real work, development, stay up late and miss the kid's soccer games get what???

Shame on Apple's board for not recognizing the contributions of the regular employee.

 

[divinox]

Yes, simple. People with guns force me to pay taxes. You say they have the right, that's fine. Yet you have a problem with voluntary transactions if people get too rich.



Really, I thought the purpose of life was accumulating piles of cash, and ruling over hordes of child labor. Thanks for clarifying.

People with guns force me to work for X. You say they have the right, that's fine. Yet you have a problem with voluntary taxes. Or, in other words: You didnt get it.

 

[ReiszRie]

god. not you people again.

first, i think Apple makes great products. Steve's vision has changed the world, and I hope Apple can continue to create great products. BUT - this is an example of exactly what the OWS protests are about. And I support them completely, even though I'm probably in the 3%.

These types of payouts are obscene, whether it's our beloved Apple or the evil Goldman Sachs. I agree that the execs work hard and help Apple be successful. The point is, they don't contribute 20,000 times as much as the factory workers putting together iPhones. Or 1,000 times as much as a mechanical engineer or software engineer. This is the out-of-control theft of the people's labor for the benefit of the elite that we have been trying to bring to light.

It's disgusting. And it has nothing to do with all the disinformation and propaganda seeking to discredit OWS (e.g. that the protesters don't want to work, want handouts, are uneducated, or are "mad" at the rich.) We are mostly mad at their enablers like you who defend the very people who are raping the world of its natural and human resources to satisy their own avarice. (Granted, there are degrees of guilt - oil companies do more to destroy the environment, clothing companies exploit cheap labor more, etc. But any time a company is benefiting from the labor of thousands of employees and redistributing the spoils of their work as hundreds of millions of dollars in bonuses to executives, there is a perversion of society)

supply and demand, top execs are far harder to find and nurture than a software engineer thats in abundance... reason why diamonds costs more than amethyst.

 

[divinox]

It just always reminds me of a program I watched on Television a couple of years ago, about the homes of some of the most wealthy people in the world.

It was an American show, so naturally showed mostly their homes, and you know what. The homes were some of the most horrid, tackiest and tasteless homes I have ever seen in my life.

It was like people with more money than they know what to do with had walked into some fancy showrooms and said "What's the most expensive thing you have" Bought it, and put it into their homes, thinking that's what you do.

Mirror finish marble floors and columns, gold plated this and that, crystal chandeliers. Vast sums of money spent on something you almost needed a sick bucket when you saw it.

It's such a shame when some people think money and material possessions are all that matters in life and the be all and end all of everything.

Nouveau riche...

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supply and demand, top execs are far harder to find and nurture than a software engineer thats in abundance... reason why diamonds costs more than amethyst.

Funny that you should mention diamonds, as they are far from as scarce as the market has us believe. Scarcity is imposed on the market by the diamond cartel (de Beers et co.) in order to keep price up.

Also, finding a good software engineer is probably harder than finding a decent manager. Then again, it usually shows on their pay checks too - but, just saying :- )

edit:

neat article on diamonds...

http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.09/diamond_pr.html

 

[jackc]

People with guns force me to work for X. You say they have the right, that's fine. Yet you have a problem with voluntary taxes. Or, in other words: You didnt get it.

I guess you can just play with words and pretend you're making an argument. But "voluntary" and "force" actually have meanings.

 

[kallisti]

Keep your politics to yourself

There is a forum on this site for politics. Why has this thread not been locked or moved?

 

[divinox]

I guess you can just play with words and pretend you're making an argument. But "voluntary" and "force" actually have meanings.

Indeed they do. Like stated, you didnt get it. And i dont have the energy to explain things more carefully than i already have.

 

[Abazigal]

Let's just put it this way.

Those executives are simply doing what most, if not all of us would have done were we in their position.

Admit it, many of us are complaining exactly because we are not the ones receiving the payout. Give any man here his $6 worth of shares and let's see where his morality goes.

 

[jca24]

Any of you that don't like the USA get out!

We are a free market capitalistic society.

You left wing whack jobs are stupid.

Get a job, get a life and pay your way.

 

[wacomme]

"Absolutely. Nobody deserves this kind of money. Nobody."

Did Steve Jobs "deserve" it?

Nope.

 

[jca24]

Nope.

Of course he did, and so do the others.

ONE MORE TIME, we are a capitalistic society, if your don't like it get out.

 

[wacomme]

Of course he did, and so do the others.

ONE MORE TIME, we are a capitalistic society, if your don't like it get out.

Wrong. Change is inevitable. Capitalism as we know it today will be a different beast in the future. If you're here for the status quo, then you're sadly mistaken.