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Apple Bans Developer with 800+ Apps from App Store
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Read the mobile crunch article. He was clearing around 1000 bucks a day. Think about it, he has 900 apps, each app is 5$.
The thing is, there is also another company "brighthouse labs" that has 2000 apps. Hopefully they join el sheikh
Tying this to Socialism.... amazing........
Anyway. I think the point is that people who will churn out crap in order to make a profit should be called to the carpet. When your way of making a profit INFRINGES ON COPYRIGHTS then you are TAKING AWAY from the profit of the person who actually did the work.
That's not socialism to blast a guy for "making a profit". It is capitalism at its finest. People get up in arms when people have the "profit at any cost" mentality, more specifically when that mindset is based on STEALING from other people in order to line your own pockets.
See how profit can be bad? See how it isn't an anti-capitalism rant to say that this joker was just seeing the dollar signs and looking to get rich because he was interested in "monetization"? Get a grip and stop using this board as a place to twist people's comments into some sort of proof that we are all worth of Joe McCarthy's wrath when we bring up a problem with "profit".
Making a profit? Good. Making a profit by stealing the work of others and misrepresenting products to consumers by overcharging and "marketing" the heck out of crap by oversaturation with stolen material in hopes to find a sucker? Bad. And that doesn't make people who blast it Socialists/Communists/Anarchists/or the Anti-Christ. It makes us ethical.
Anyway. I think the point is that people who will churn out crap in order to make a profit should be called to the carpet. When your way of making a profit INFRINGES ON COPYRIGHTS then you are TAKING AWAY from the profit of the person who actually did the work.
That's not socialism to blast a guy for "making a profit". It is capitalism at its finest. People get up in arms when people have the "profit at any cost" mentality, more specifically when that mindset is based on STEALING from other people in order to line your own pockets.
See how profit can be bad? See how it isn't an anti-capitalism rant to say that this joker was just seeing the dollar signs and looking to get rich because he was interested in "monetization"? Get a grip and stop using this board as a place to twist people's comments into some sort of proof that we are all worth of Joe McCarthy's wrath when we bring up a problem with "profit".
Making a profit? Good. Making a profit by stealing the work of others and misrepresenting products to consumers by overcharging and "marketing" the heck out of crap by oversaturation with stolen material in hopes to find a sucker? Bad. And that doesn't make people who blast it Socialists/Communists/Anarchists/or the Anti-Christ. It makes us ethical.
I think the world will now be a better place.
I know that Apple likes to boast "over a million Apps" or whatever the number is, but I'm sick and tired of having to sift through all of the useless junk Apps to find the Apps that are actually useful.
Note to Apple: I hope this was just the beginning. Get rid of all the other useless junk Apps while you are at it.
I totally agree, I was waiting for this to happen, same thing should happen to the "Travel To" Apps, and all those apps that offer too many apps. What happened to in-apps purchases, Buying a "Travel to" app and inside the app being able to purchase any city you want, but not clog the appstore with crap. this is just an example cause there are a lot more.
Did you enjoy your little rant, there?
I'm all for making money, and being a capitalist, but the person to whom you replied was taking issue with the fact that this developer clearly has no interest in contributing worthwhile software to the App Store. His apps are just a money grab with no interest in backing them with quality. Your knee-jerk reaction is totally off-topic and and, well, makes you look like the radical yourself.
By your line of reasoning we should commend someone for scamming money out of the elderly. They're just trying to make a buck, right? There are plenty of other things to consider in deciding how a capitalist should go about making their buck. I'll take a mom and pop store any day over Walmart.
And who decides what is an "inferior product"? Clearly, Apple has the ability to restrict apps from entering their marketplace, but shouldn't it be up to the CONSUMER to decide what is good or not good in the marketplace? Isn't that what drives competition for developers to make things better? I love Apple products, but there are certainly instances where I prefer products - earbuds for example - put out by third-parties, so I purchase them. In a free market, the choice allows me the option for a better experience and also pushes Apple to improve their product so more consumers choose it.
An absolutely fair point, however this is a flaw in the App Store framework and not necessarily relevant to the critique I was making to the comments of a previous poster.
Me too. It's Apple's playground and we all know it from jump street. They can take the ball and go home whenever they want.
And now we disagree again. The threat of a failing business model and poor sales should be the cue to all devs to shape up or ship out. That's not Apple's job. Besides, what's good to them isn't always good to the end user. Matte screens anyone? Firewire 400?
And I genuinely applaud you for it. Having done it twice, at least once you sought another high paying gig. Viva capitalism!
Well said MooseBlood.
Acheiver, I don't want the market to decide what is good and bad. Look at the success of Transformers 2.
This is a fun thread. Good riddance to the crap apps.
Acheiver, I don't want the market to decide what is good and bad. Look at the success of Transformers 2.
This is a fun thread. Good riddance to the crap apps.
Completely agree. Which is why I even stated in my reply to the poster that I had no issue with Apple removing the apps as they violate the terms of use. Again, Apple was NOT wrong to do it. What I took issue with was the commented belief that the developer putting out apps with the intention of making a profit was inherently wrong. I don't agree that that is wrong. I don't believe that an app has to have "value", which is a subjective concept to say the least, to be on the App Store. There is nothing "wrong" with an iFart app. If people like it, it will and should succeed. If they do not, it will not. The iFart guy had to have some belief that he was not adding to the educational value of our country when he submitted the app for approval, but that he would make a profit on a laugh. Good for him.
To the extent that the dev in question in here was stealing content, then there are legit causes of action against him and he should be held to the fire. But his comments don't reflect that, just that he has a desire to be "profitable" and didn't feel the need to "add anything of value". My argument is that this line of thinking is not inherently wrong.
Yes. Yes I did. Thank you.
Frankly, part of my rage on this is living in NY and having a first hand and insiders view to how the public and politicians have wrongly pointed the finger for the underlying reasons for the current financial situation. I won't tangent here, but Main Street had a hell of a lot to do with what happened on Wall Street, though that position is never articulated in the common media. As such, there is a crusade against capitalism going on and I have a bird's eye seat, which disgusts me. When I hear people bemoan profiteering, this is salt on the wound. Profits and profiteering begets a great deal more positive benefit than it does negative. A lack of profiteering leads to USSR circa the 80's and 90s. Ok, I am getting this thread way off topic....
Ok. So? Don't buy them. If enough people agree with you, he won't make money and will stop making apps. Easy solution.
No I never said anything of the sort, but...continue.
Good for you. That is your CHOICE. I, and others, would like to make that choice for ourselves. Capitalism.
Listen, as a child of the 80s, NO ONE had their heart broken more by the suckage that was the first Transformers than me. Hell, I still have the toys from when I was a kid in my attic! I so wanted that movie to be good, and it failed so miserably. So you know what I did? I didn't go see Transformers 2. I went to see the Hangover instead, because the market allowed me to make that choice for myself.
I, like may of you, wish Michael Bay would never make another movie ever again. But, unless and until the market dictates otherwise, he will. And frankly, his movies make enough money to suggest that his crap has "value" to some segment of the population. Just not to me. So I don't spend money on it. But I in no way think that because I find it to be crap, that the million other people who saw it and liked it should be denied their opportunity for enjoyment and as long as a million people did enjoy it, Bay should be able to profit from it. He has added "value" to their lives, if not to ours.
On the other hand, what is wrong with the suggestion that profit shouldn't ALWAYS be the number ONE priority? Why should we not praise a developer who focuses on quality first? We should we not criticize one who puts it last? That really IS a bad thing. Money isn't the ONLY good thing in the world.
Nobody said that he doesn't have the right to make money. The scary "socialism" buzzword just gets abused where it doesn't even apply these days
I also don't think you understand all the things this developer actually did. It's as though no matter what he did, it's OK as long as money was involved
Very sensible points you have here. It's not wrong to make a profit just as long as you don't rip off other people of their hard work.
Capitalism
Well, I'd say by all means make a profit... I like money, it gives people choices. Just don't make money at the expense of someone else.
eg.
Apps that syphon off others sites.
Products that mislead as to their intentions and usefulness.
Giving credit to people who have no option but to eventually default.
BTW. What the hell is the stock market good for anyway?!
Well, I'd say by all means make a profit... I like money, it gives people choices. Just don't make money at the expense of someone else.
eg.
Apps that syphon off others sites.
Products that mislead as to their intentions and usefulness.
Giving credit to people who have no option but to eventually default.
BTW. What the hell is the stock market good for anyway?!
The damn point is that he was spamming the app store with 5 new apps a DAY. PER DAY. Thats an insanely high number of apps, with has a negative influence on the app store. In these extreme situations, Apple has every right to boot these kinds of developers, and I think its one of those cases where having this kind of control over the app store is actually a good things for users. This doesnt necessitate your OH NOES SOCIALISM!! spiel. Everything can be abused, and this is one of those cases of extreme abuse of the system. Everything has its limits and needs to have some level of control, including your precious capitalism.
*This reply has absolutely nothing to do with the actual thread*
Achiever,
I'm not disagreeing with your desire to see the free market in action. I agree that Bay should be able to make his movies and that we should be able to choose to see them. However, I wonder how much of the "value" given to this movie comes from outside factors such as advertising, peer pressure to see "normal" movies, etc. instead of a recognition of the film's quality or lack of it. A million people might see value in "Transformers," but I wonder if we (well, if I) have an obligation, knowing better, to say "no, it sucks, and here is a quality movie (insert better movie here)," trying to take away from others their moviegoing freedom in exchange for...I want to say...a more fulfilling and ultimately better experience (I realize that I'm straddling a dangerous line speaking like this, but it's not necessarily a closed-minded-superiority complex). I just read the great book The Paradox of Choice and it's still on my mind.
Does that make sense? It's been a pleasure to watch and participate in this conversation. Also, great job holding your own!