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Apple Became World's Most Valuable Company Seven Years Ago Today, Two Weeks Before Steve Jobs Resigned as CEO

Totemsflare said:
I’m sure he’s not a fan of yours anyway.

He’s every company’s dream CEO. Haters are going to hate.
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You're utterly, completely wrong. Once Apple used up the last of the roadmap that SJ left behind, it started to become worse than it was before, see: Mac line disaster, High Sierra, iOS 11, etc...
 
Like Jobs, the top execs at Apple follow their passions. Up-scaling Apple's ARM chips to compete with Intel will make an all new Mac based on world-class parts. Intel is the weak link. Steve hunted weak links with precision.
 
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BornAgainMac said:
What do you think would have happened if Cook took over Apple when it was near bankruptcy in the late 1990s?
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Could have gone either way.
But we probably would not have the iMac, iPhone, iPad and MacOS, but maybe something else, who knows.
But I don't see him as the visionair Jobs was.
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I7guy said:
See record breaking profits, record breaking valuation....
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Microsoft had record breaking profits, still their operating system is, was and always will be a horror.
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Guy Clark said:
The personal life of Steve Jobs is not any part of this discussion.

Steve Jobs professionally was a genius with a drive for constant innovation.
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It is about the Big Picture......while being a genius, he was not an easy (read sometimes 'nice') person.
 
JGRE said:
Microsoft had record breaking profits, still their operating system is, was and always will be a horror.
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Very subjective opinion there. Over 70% of all systems all over the world runs on Windows platform, so yeah horror is not the story for everyone.

Having said that, I don’t like using windows either but objectively, in terms of technology stack, windows 10 is ahead of macOS.
 
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akash.nu said:
Very subjective opinion there. Over 70% of all systems all over the world runs on Windows platform, so yeah horror is not the story for everyone.

Having said that, I don’t like using windows either but objectively, in terms of technology stack, windows 10 is ahead of macOS.
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To elaborate on that, Microsoft almost completely dominates the enterprise market. Proof that windows is a better more reliable OS. MacOS is not as secure as Apple suggests.
 
theskog said:
To elaborate on that, Microsoft almost completely dominates the enterprise market. Proof that windows is a better more reliable OS. MacOS is not as secure as Apple suggests.
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Disagree with your conclusion there. Microsoft dominates the enterprise market for various other reasons. I’m not too sure if - better more reliable - is even a reason at all.

Cost and business model is the main factor here IMHO. In the early days Microsoft categorically targeted the enterprise / business sector with the help of IBM. This also ties in with Microsoft’s Windows distribution and hardware support strategy, which is completely opposite to Apple.

Simply put, if a OS supports multiple types of hardwares then it will be available and used more. Exactly the same as Android. This is the main reason we see Windows in the enterprise sector. Also, the office suite helped with this strategy as Microsoft marketed and monopolised the whole business / private sector in the early / late 90s.

When it comes to security, Windows is more vulnerable simply because virus / malware developers gain more value out of the Windows platform. macOS can get viruses but people just don’t spend as much time developing for the platform simply because the user base is way smaller compared to Windows.
 
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imageWIS said:
Now that SJs roadmap has been squeezed out as much as Tim Cook can, how long will that last?
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Every tech company rises and falls. Apple will be the same. Maybe sooner maybe later but it’s inevitable.

This would be true even if Steve jobs was alive.
 
LordVic said:
gotta stop using "market cap" as a benchmark for a companies "Value"


there's no real world relevance to it. Apple itself is not worth on it's own balance sheets as market cap since market cap implies future estimation based on the Trading of it's stock.

it's cool if you're an investor and has relevance if you trade. But for Apple itself AND us as consumer, Market cap is completely, utterly irrelevant and meaningless
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There couldn’t be any more “real world” relevance to Market Cap as it is the true value of the company. The price is the price.

BTW, Apple has the earnings to back up its market cap. There is no “story” here. Just cold, hard cash and crazy earnings.
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LordVic said:
this shows a willful ignorance of how and what the stock market is.

first of all, if suddenly there was a big movement of Apple stock indicating mass buy, this value would go up (yay!), if however, there was a sudden rash of sell off for whatever eason, this value goes down

it is subject to far more whimms than Apple's performance and isn't actually reflective of Apple's financial position.

For example, while the market cap based on today's trading might be 1t. tomorrow it could be 900m, or 1.5t, based entirely on the whims of the Exchange and supply/demand of the stock.

in relation to Apple financial statements, this doesn't reflect the actual valuation done by auditors that are reflected in those books.

For example, Apple's own financial statements show a total assets of 350Billion. Total liabilities at 235Billion, with a total shareholder's equity of 115 Billion.

Total shareholder's equity of 350Billion.

these are generally the only numbers that actually have pertinence to Apple. The sTock market's pricing of it's stocks doesn't have direct impact to Apple. people trading it's stocks doesn't give Apple money. Claiming that Market Cap is somehow indicative of Apple's actual value is disingenous. This is a number that is relevant ONLY for investors. using it as a barometer of Apple's actual performance is not accurate.

(this isn't saying bad performance or anything, Apple's performance is excellent, just pointing out the constant misuse of Market Cap as some benchmark of the companies current value()

https://www.apple.com/newsroom/pdfs/Q3FY18ConsolidatedFinancialStatements.pdf
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You are completely off base here. Apple is not a company that can be valued using these metrics. They make $60B in net income in 2018 and are going to buy back another $100B in stock or 10% of the entire company. Apple is growing double digits, 17% y/y and has $250B in cash. Apple takes almost no working capital to run, the beauty of a business like Apple, Google, Facebook, etc. This isn’t a power company or oil stock.

Apple is cheap, cheap, cheap.
 
akash.nu said:
Very subjective opinion there. Over 70% of all systems all over the world runs on Windows platform, so yeah horror is not the story for everyone.

Having said that, I don’t like using windows either but objectively, in terms of technology stack, windows 10 is ahead of macOS.
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Very subjective opinion: Apple never bothered to enter the corporate market, that's why MS is miles ahead in numbers. More $ can be earned per unit in the private market. That's how Apple got a trillion dollar company. Only recently Apple has been "busy" in the corporate market (via IBM).

How is Windows 10 ahead of macOS? I use both (macOS privately and W10 on my work).
 
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