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Apple Becomes Fourth-Largest Mobile Phone Vendor

These are figures for ALL mobile phones, not just smartphones

hamlin said:
How is Nokia at the top. Honestly I don't think i've ever seen someone that doesn't have a blackberry/iPhone.
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Nokia is huge still in Australia. And I gather Europe.

But these figures are for ALL mobile phones. Apple only sell ultra-smartphones.

I'd love to see it stripped back to just ultra-smartphones, and then the gap between Apple and the others would be a lot closer.
 
krischik said:
And I hope that you are aware that the other 95% don't all live in mud holes and do buy mobile phones as well.

So if you want to see people with NOKIAs I suggest you have a holiday abroad.
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I was in a village in Tanzania last year, watching a group of women in native dress weave baskets. One woman had a beaded pouch on a cord around her neck. I was wondering what it was, until I saw her pull a (probably Nokia) cellphone out of it.
 
ikir said:
Is it a joke? iPhone limitation? Are you joking? What can you do with a crap Nokia you can't do in iPhone or Android?
Artificial limitation? iPhone has very few limitation only due Apple want consumer experience to max and i agree with them. I do most of my work on my iPhone, it changed completely my work. Before with a crappy phone like a Nokia it was impossible.
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I seriously hope you are joking. Do you have any idea how many different phones Nokia has and how many different markets they are going after?

In 2005, I met a guy with a Nokia 9300. It is basically a bulky candy bar phone but it opens up into a mini laptop.

Just because Nokia sells some low end phones doesn't mean it is all they sell. Nokia sells everything.

And Symbian is a great OS.
 
hamlin said:
How is Nokia at the top. Honestly I don't think i've ever seen someone that doesn't have a blackberry/iPhone.
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This'll probably blow your mind then:

Here in Sweden I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen a Blackberry. No-one seems to have them. And yes, I work in a tech job in an office environment with executives around, exactly the sort of people you'd expect to have one.

The only person I know with a Blackberry is my Brother-in-Law, who lives in the UK.
 
amanset said:
This'll probably blow your mind then:

Here in Sweden I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen a Blackberry. No-one seems to have them. And yes, I work in a tech job in an office environment with executives around, exactly the sort of people you'd expect to have one.

The only person I know with a Blackberry is my Brother-in-Law, who lives in the UK.
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It must be where I am from then. I never really realized how different North Americans are than the rest of the world. Honestly (in canada anyways) it seems everyone has a BB or an iPhone. Could be cause BB are Canadian.
 
amanset said:
This'll probably blow your mind then:

Here in Sweden I can count on one hand the number of times I have seen a Blackberry. No-one seems to have them. And yes, I work in a tech job in an office environment with executives around, exactly the sort of people you'd expect to have one.

The only person I know with a Blackberry is my Brother-in-Law, who lives in the UK.
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BB is a dead give away for an American in Stockholm on business :D

Eller hur?
 
Carniphage said:
The vast majority of Nokia phones are technically smartphones. Because they include a web browser and can theoretically run applications.
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Nokia sold 110m phones last quarter. 26.5m of them where smartphones.

I've never heard anyone say that the others are smartphones just because they include a crappy browser and email client. Feature phones maybe. But in the terms that most analysts use and Nokia, they sold 26.5m.

Carniphage said:
But they are sold without a data-plan. And most of them never send an email.
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I know plenty iPhone users that never use email on their iPhone and just bought them as they're cool and they can get Facebook on them. The sad muppets could have had a cheap £50 Nokia/Sony/LG/Samsung feature-phone and a £10 PAYG data bundle and saved themselves a grand over the two years they're tied to their iPhone.


Carniphage said:
Having these devices grouped in the same category as Blackberries, iPhones and Android devices is stupid.

C.
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Nobody is arguing that they should be. Still, Nokia sold 26.5m smartphones. Double what anyone else sold. They sold 61% more than last year. Yet still they're apparently DOOMED according to the US press.
 
hamlin said:
Real source other than wiki please. But, if these number are correct or close to, man was I wrong. I did not know China had that many phones.
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Jeez man, do you want us to spoon-feed you and wipe your bum too? This kind of information isn't exactly hard to find

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE67J06020100820
China Mobile (0941.HK), China's largest mobile carrier, said its total mobile subscribers in July rose to 558.9 million, including 11.8 million 3G subscribers.
China Unicom (0762.HK), the country's No. 2 mobile carrier, said its total mobile subscribers increased to 158.5 million for the month, including 8.5 million 3G subscribers.
China Telecom (0728.HK) said its total mobile subscribers rose to 77.3 million.
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That's 794 Million subscribers right there.

If you're interested in India, you can get a network-by-network breakdown of their half-billion subscribers from here http://www.coai.in/statistics.php?val=2010

That's an awful lot of $20 Nokias and whatnot, plus decent-size mountain of wall-warts.....
 
Stella said:
People dismiss Symbian but its due to lack of understanding - it is very efficient - including its power management and a very mature smartphone OS. An unfortunate side of Symbian it has been - up until recently - a bitch to develop for. However, its getting far easier due to QT and better development tools.
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Easier to develop for than either iOS or Android now IME since it's C++ and Qt is nice. No awful ObjectiveC syntax.

Qt4.7 officially added QML support so now you can create interfaces in what pretty much amounts to JSON. Even half decent non-programming designer types can now do the interface design work, leaving the C++ programmers to do their thing.
 
aegisdesign said:
Nobody is arguing that they should be. Still, Nokia sold 26.5m smartphones. Double what anyone else sold. They sold 61% more than last year. Yet still they're apparently DOOMED according to the US press.
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Only a small fraction of those smartphones were N-Series devices.
N-Series are Nokia's real smartphones.

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In this graph, it is the purple line that represents devices that are competitive with Blackberry/Android and iPhone. The red line represents "numbered" devices which are rarely used to move data. Putting these in the smartphone category is misleading. People who want smartphone do not go out and buy them.

C.
 
With the iPhone alone, I though we are, or were #1 on that list. I am shocked to see those numbers of Nokia since I have not seen many Nokias out there like I used to some years back.

I had seen so many articles calling Apple the biggest in the industry. With 2/3rds of Apple's fortunes not tied to computers, I know iPhone is a big part of that chunk. I know more people with iPhones than all other phones, combined.
 
b0ned0me said:
Jeez man, do you want us to spoon-feed you and wipe your bum too? This kind of information isn't exactly hard to find

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTOE67J06020100820

That's 794 Million subscribers right there.

If you're interested in India, you can get a network-by-network breakdown of their half-billion subscribers from here http://www.coai.in/statistics.php?val=2010

That's an awful lot of $20 Nokias and whatnot, plus decent-size mountain of wall-warts.....
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No, I just don't care enough to look/im lazy. Thanks tho.
 
Jeremy1026 said:
Simple. MINI. They started in 2002 with the Cooper, and Cooper D. Then Expanded in 03 to add the Cooper S and the Cooper One. Then in 05 the Convertible, followed by the Clubman in 06.

Really they have 3 variants on the market right now (with a 4th coming off the line now), with different trim levels. Just like how Apple has 3 laptops on the market, with different trim levels.
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This is not the same thing.

The Mini is a variant of BMW. Despite having similar models of the same car, is the Mini the 4th leading car brand in the automotive industry?

It's not even close. You're comparing a niche market vs. the entire market. Should BMW ever stop selling all of their other models and become the 4th largest auto manufacturer, you may have a point. :)
 
Value not volume

63dot said:
Overall profits or profit per unit?
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Apple sells their iphones for roughly 600 $, Nokia sells their phones for 60 $. So Apple's market share in value (14 MM * 600 = 8.4 B$) is actually above Nokia's (110 MM * 60 = 6.6 B$). An that's not even talking about the profits
 
Looking good Apple.

I would imagine quite a few industry folks are surprised at the success of the iPhone platform and Apple in general. Michael Dell and Steve Balmer come to mind. :)
 
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