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Apple Becomes Fourth-Largest Mobile Phone Vendor

Trouble is LTD, you can't "think differently" and think Mac suits all... not everyone wants or needs a $1000 Mac to email and use internet - a $299 Windows PC does just fine. Sure, OSX is very nice, and for my needs OSX does the job very, very well, way better than windows could ever.

Sure, a virus checker will cost you $49 a year, but then so does MobileMe to get your Mac email and web space... works out equally. In reality, viruses aren't much of a problem and get hyped up by fanboy mac users and virus companies. In reality, you could just pretty much ignore them and they won't affect you.... ( Viruses - you really mean 'malware' ).

*LTD* said:
Yep. I sometimes wonder about all the cheap "fools" that choose to (or have no choice but to) slum it with Windows and bad knock-offs of Apple products, when for a little more they can enjoy the Real Thing. Doesn't take much in the way of original thought to walk into a Best Buy and just pick something out of the ocean of mish-mash PCs on display, look for the cheapest one with the most crap shoved into it and ask
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Stella said:
Trouble is LTD, you can't "think differently" and think Mac suits all... not everyone wants or needs a $1000 Mac to email and use internet - a $299 Windows PC does just fine.

Sure, a virus checker will cost you $49 a year, but then so does MobileMe to get your Mac email and web space... works out equally. In reality, viruses aren't much of a problem and get hyped up by fanboy mac users and virus companies. In reality, you could just pretty much ignore them and they won't affect you.... ( Viruses - you really mean 'malware' ).
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I think it is funny that people like LTD will go both ways on Virus. He will count the malware against PC as virus but point out that OSX has been hit by multiple Malwares already he will scream "NOT A VIRUS"

If I remember right over 90% of all viruses out there are Trojans. Now of the ones that can do damage now days it more than likely well over 95%.
 
How???

Now they are back?!?!

When I visited the site they were gone on 5 different times I returned. Now they are back?!?!?! What gives?!?! I guess they were updating something?
 
hamlin said:
How is Nokia at the top. Honestly I don't think i've ever seen someone that doesn't have a blackberry/iPhone.
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tigress666 said:
Because people with Nokia phones just want a phone, nothing complicated.
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Nokia and Symbian are still the Business Standard for most of the world.

Now that I think of it, you have to jailbreak an iPhone to get functionality that's native to Nokia, like a good call firewall. :)

Although I'm solidly in the iPhone camp, and I am likely to stay there, I understand and have a soft spot for Nokia Symbian business devices. We had a small fleet of E71 that...well...they just worked, and worked very well. Easy to type on, good firewalls, easy to hook up to a computer in an emergency, no hacking required to do everything generally required.
 
firewood said:
Actually, Nokia copied a lot of small tablet and smartphone ideas from Palm and Handspring. Nokia never did a good job of defining anything compelling in that space. I remember a PalmOS developers meeting where everybody was pretty much laughing at the usability of the first N-Guage.
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I think your a little wrong there...

Symbian came from Psion, who made very nice PDAs and pre-dated PalmOS. Psion ran EPOC OS; EPOC became Symbian and Nokia started to integrate into their phones.

Nokia produced one of the first smartphones, though not Symbian based. Incidentally the first smartphone was Ericsson using Symbian OS.

Symbian was always targeted to be a smartphone platform. Nokia put S60 UI on top of Symbian and and various other S<UIs>.
 
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The Macintosh actually turned out the way Steve wanted it, not how Jeff wanted it. Raskin left the project in 1981.
 
kdarling said:
One of the reasons that Apple makes more on their phones, is that so far they have avoided paying Nokia fees for GSM and WiFi patent licenses.

Some analysts think that could end up being a billion dollar settlement.
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It'll likely to end with the same level of licenses as other licensees.
Namely a couple of dollars per device.

When Apple writes the cheque, it isn't going to hurt Apple much.
And it won't do much for Nokia's bottom line.


kdarling said:
Another, more obvious reason, is that Apple doesn't build low profit phones that make communication possible for the masses around the world.
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I am puzzled why Nokia invests so much in chasing revenue that isn't there.
C.
 
Stella said:
Well, Carniphage, you've just proven yourself very incorrect... E-Series are as much as smartphone as N-Series - and very capable devices. E-Series is aimed towards business usage, N-Series traditionally is consumer / multimedia devices. In fact, the difference between the two are software configuration ( i.e., different software on the phone ) and hardware.. but its the same core symbian OS! So yea... leads me on to...
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Even if we add the N-series sales to the N-Series sales. Nokia's smartphone number are falling.

What *is* increasing is the so-called "numbered devices". These are not dumb phones. But they like to ride in the short bus.

And although Nokia classifies them as smartphones. They are simply not sold-as, purchased-as or used as smartphones.

C.
 
Carniphage said:
Even if we add the N-series sales to the N-Series sales. Nokia's smartphone number are falling.

What *is* increasing is the so-called "numbered devices". These are not dumb phones. But they like to ride in the short bus.

And although Nokia classifies them as smartphones. They are simply not sold-as, purchased-as or used as smartphones.

C.
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Check out the Nokia 5230 or 5800.
 
Stella said:
Sure, a virus checker will cost you $49 a year, but then so does MobileMe to get your Mac email and web space... works out equally.
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I'd much rather pay for a quality service like MobileMe that offers some value and interest in return than a virus checker intended to keep a badly coded OS from falling over.
 
*LTD* said:
I'd much rather pay for a quality service like MobileMe that offers some value and interest in return than a virus checker intended to keep a badly coded OS from falling over.
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Why do people continue to push the notion that you have to pay for anti-virus software? It's free. MobileMe isn't free.
 
*LTD* said:
I'd much rather pay for a quality service like MobileMe that offers some value and interest in return than a virus checker intended to keep a badly coded OS from falling over.
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Why do you need to pay for a virus checker?

There are good free anti-virus programs available that do the job just fine. I've never had a virus in the 16 years I've owned a PC though I do prefer not having to worry about my Macs. :)

I've also never paid more than 50% of the retail price for .Mac or MobileMe. ;)
 
*LTD* said:
I'd much rather pay for a quality service like MobileMe that offers some value and interest in return than a virus checker intended to keep a badly coded OS from falling over.
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OSX and other Apple apps have their fair share of vulnerabilities, I wouldn't get on your high horse about that.

Bad coding - reminds me of iPhoto from iLife 11 where it will *delete* photos / corrupt meta data ( i.e., location data ) during the upgrade process...

( See apple discussions for plenty of accounts of deleted photos )
 
kdarling said:
One of the reasons that Apple makes more on their phones, is that so far they have avoided paying Nokia fees for GSM and WiFi patent licenses.

Some analysts think that could end up being a billion dollar settlement.
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Others said it would be a few dollars per phone. If iPhone sales keep growing, they might both be right :D

(My understanding of Apple's position is that Nokia has the right to charge them license fees to the same degree they charge others, but Nokia tries to charge them more and has no right to do that. If my understanding is correct then I would expect that Apple hasn't paid the fair license fees but would be putting the money away somewhere).
 
gnasher729 said:
(snip) If my understanding is correct then I would expect that Apple hasn't paid the fair license fees but would be putting the money away somewhere).
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Not paying the fair fees (or taxes or dividends or something you owe another) and putting money away (somewhere). Hmm, I just saw the Enron movie last night. I guess you can stash money away like that, cheat others, overprice your product, but in the long run it will catch up to you even if you have Wall Street and the White House and major business magazines behind you through most of it.

I hope Apple isn't liable for any wrongdoing and the numerous tech watchers are wrong about Apple Inc.
 
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How is nokia on top? Most times I see a Samsung or LG dumbphone or blackberry/ iPhone/htc smartphone.
 
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