Apple Becomes Largest U.S.-Based Mobile Phone Manufacturer

[wovel]

It is Apple. But who cares ? Who's the number #1 estonian based phone maker ? That doesn't mean squat, it ships 2 units per year.

Read this thread, you have people fawning over apple "being #1 supplier of phones in the US" after reading this headline, something which isn't true at all and which the article doesn't even claim.

What are you arguing exactly ? That this is a decent piece of journalism without any sensational headlines thrown in to promote page views ? Please.

Apple isn't the #1 phone supplier in the US. They might be the #1 US based phone supplier, but that doesn't mean squat since their only competition is Motorola, which according to this article, now ships about 400% less units per quarter than 5 years ago.

Again, this article that people are raving about is a big negative piece showing how US phone makers are having problems competing in the market vs other phone makers based in other countries.

Forbes covers primarily US companies and posted an actual fact in article discussing Motorola's earning report.

You are a person just looking for reasons to say negative things about Apple for whatever reason. (It actually does not make any sense, I feel like I should start talking about Chewbacca).

 

[KnightWRX]

Forbes covers primarily US companies and posted an actual fact in article discussing Motorola's earning report.

You are a person just looking for reasons to say negative things about Apple for whatever reason.

Ah again the black and white thinking of Macrumors. If someone says that a fluff piece is not really relevant in anyway, then he is not white and as so is black and must hate Apple.

Seriously, drop the logical fallacies for a second and use that noggin. Apple is still far from being the #1 phone supplier anywhere. The fact that they now ship more units than that other company based in the US means squat as far as the market goes, especially as that other company lost over 400% of its business.

Again, since you are reading impaired : I love Apple products and especially Macs. I hate bull**** journalism.

 

[JediZenMaster]

It is Apple. But who cares ? Who's the number #1 estonian based phone maker ? That doesn't mean squat, it ships 2 units per year.

Read this thread, you have people fawning over apple "being #1 supplier of phones in the US" after reading this headline, something which isn't true at all and which the article doesn't even claim.

What are you arguing exactly ? That this is a decent piece of journalism without any sensational headlines thrown in to promote page views ? Please.

Apple isn't the #1 phone supplier in the US. They might be the #1 US based phone supplier, but that doesn't mean squat since their only competition is Motorola, which according to this article, now ships about 400% less units per quarter than 5 years ago.

Again, this article that people are raving about is a big negative piece showing how US phone makers are having problems competing in the market vs other phone makers based in other countries.

Well thanks for dancing around the subject. Your comparison with estonia is most amusing. Considering that US market is the biggest. But your response really shows your biased.

 

[jimmyjoemccrow]

Well thanks for dancing around the subject. Your comparison with estonia is most amusing. Considering that US market is the biggest. But your response really shows your biased.

No you really aren't getting his point. US phone manufacturers don't even sell the most amount of phones within their own country. Worldwide they are even further behind. The US market is not the biggest.

The point he and others are trying to make is that beating Motorola to the top spot was not exactly difficult.

 

[KnightWRX]

Well thanks for dancing around the subject. Your comparison with estonia is most amusing. Considering that US market is the biggest. But your response really shows your biased.

Seriously, while the US market might be the biggest, this comment shows your lack of understanding of what this article is really about.

In the US, RIM/Nokia ship more units than Apple does. However, since one is a Canadian based company and the other is a Finnish company, they aren't included in this particular piece about US based companies and their unit shipments.

See what I mean but "let's choose a metric Apple shines in and use that for a fluff piece" ? No of course you don't, that requires actually admitting this is bad journalism and just a piece to boost page views and ad revenue.

The fact is, Motorola went from shipping 46 million units to less than Apple's 8.8 million in 5 years. Now let's ignore all those other phone makers that ship more units than Apple and claim Apple is king of US based phone makers.

This is why this article is a bad piece of crap.

 

[Anuba]

Nokia i'm not sure how they are number one. I figure it has to do with the symbian OS and the way it caught on in europe. I always figured that if the iphone had come out maybe back in 2004 it would have been diffrent as far as who is Number one.

Catching on in Europe doesn't make a company #1 worldwide. Europe usually accounts for 1/3 of the revenue for global hi-tech companies (1/3 US, 1/3 Europe, 1/3 Asia+other).

But Nokia does have a large following in the enterprise segment since the phones sync OK with Windows+Office through a dedicated and reasonably lightweight software package. As long as the iPhone remains tethered to this weird monstrosity called iTunes for Windows, a piece of sluggish bloatware that doesn't know if it's a music player or a video player or a sync utility or a storefront, it will always hold some users back.

In the enterprise world there's often a fascist IT department that won't allow individual users to install software, only distributed installs are allowed and usually it's one or two generations behind (e.g. "no, you're not allowed to install the latest bugfixed version of the Flash plugin because everyone must use the one we tested and approved three years ago, Flash 9"). Those guys might approve of some widely used Nokia sync utility, but not in a hundred years will they allow distributed installs of some 100 MB juggernaut that tries to sell you Lady GaGa's latest album as soon as you launch it.

Using iTunes as a hub is logical for iPods since they exist for entertainment only, but it's a pretty odd choice of sync utility for a phone and an even stranger one for the iPad. It's too consumer oriented for business folk who bought these products for professional use, not for Apple's self-interest of turning everyone into iTunes Store 1-click-buy-junkies. How about iSync? Ah, right, you let that one die because you couldn't use it to peddle stuff, could you.

 

[wovel]

Ah again the black and white thinking of Macrumors. If someone says that a fluff piece is not really relevant in anyway, then he is not white and as so is black and must hate Apple.

Seriously, drop the logical fallacies for a second and use that noggin. Apple is still far from being the #1 phone supplier anywhere. The fact that they now ship more units than that other company based in the US means squat as far as the market goes, especially as that other company lost over 400% of its business.

Again, since you are reading impaired : I love Apple products and especially Macs. I hate bull**** journalism.

So a financial magazine reporting on Motorola's earnings is a "fluff" piece and bull**** journalism. Your diatribes are making less and less sense. Perhaps it is BS journalism that MacRumors decided to highlight the piece of the story of the most interest to people on their site.

There is no point to you being upset about this. Care to compare profits from iPhone sales versus Motorola's profits at their peak? Profits are the thing that actually matter in business. (You can do that, you will be disappointed..I will not waste my time as it is irrelevant)

Nokia's Q1 Profits are currently estimated to come in at $464 million.
Apple's Second Quarter profit (same time period) was $3.07 Billion. iPhone sales are 40% of total Apple revenue. (We could estimate 1.2billion on that, but we don't know the exact break down of profit, lets be generous to Nokia and call it 800 million)

I will leave it to you to prove that iPhone profits alone are actually less than $464 million (they aren't). When you do that, please deduct anything from the $464 million that was not the sale of actual phones for Nokia.

Shall we try another company?

Your precious RIM perhaps?

$710.1 million quarterly net income. Same exercise figure out what RIMs actually phone sales are (and not patent income) and then see if it is more than 800 million (impossible) or some lower number you find (very , very unlikely). One thing we know for certain is that RIMs total revenue was $4.08 billion and Apple's iPhone only revenue was $5.4 billion.

Want some more, same quarter sales increase for iPhone 124%, RIM as a company, who really cares it is not even in the same universe.....

To summarize, you have no idea what it means to be number 1 in an industry. You wanted metrics, there you go. We can play this game all day, if you would like to continue to embarrass yourself.

 

[KnightWRX]

So a financial magazine reporting on Motorola's earnings is a "fluff" piece and bull**** journalism. Your diatribes are making less and less sense. Perhaps it is BS journalism that MacRumors decided to highlight the piece of the story of the most interest to people on their site.

It is a fluff piece when you transform "Motorola having lost 400% of their unit shipments" into "Apple is now #1 according to some very irrelevant and specific metric which applies to no one but them and 1 other".

I am not upset, just pointing out the fact that again, Macrumors and its members are going Gaga over nothing of relevance and we will now have months of "But Apple is the #1 supplier of phones in the US", which is an obvious miscomprehension of what this is actually about.

 

[rerelease]

Who's the number #1 estonian based phone maker ? That doesn't mean squat, it ships 2 units per year.

too bad we don't have any. i'd get both of those two just to help out the local economy.

 

[wovel]

It is a fluff piece when you transform "Motorola having lost 400% of their unit shipments" into "Apple is now #1 according to some very irrelevant and specific metric which applies to no one but them and 1 other".

Neat how you ignored the rest of the post. Says a lot about you actually. Can't admit defeat?

 

[KnightWRX]

Neat how you ignored the rest of the post. Says a lot about you actually. Can't admit defeat?

I ignored the rest of your post because it was very much off-topic and irrelevant to my point. Just like I will now ignore your defeat comment.

 

[kdarling]

Articles like this are fine, as long as readers understand the details. For example:

Both Motorola and Apple announced shipments, not actual end user sales. We know from experience that up to 20% of Apple's number is inventory bound, so their actual sales were probably almost 2 million less. I don't know what the ratio is for Motorola. Could be more, could be less.

Motorola's numbers included non-smartphones. Apple's was all smartphones. Motorola only sold 2.3 million smartphones.

What does US based mean to me? How many jobs? Both have their phones actually made in Asia. Interestingly, RIM keeps Blackberry manufacturing in North America (Canada and Mexico). And heck, they all probably had a lot of code done by immigrants from India.

 

[KnightWRX]

Articles like this are fine, as long as readers understand the details. For example:

Except from reading this thread, very few actually got what this was actually about.

 

[wovel]

I ignored the rest of your post because it was very much off-topic and irrelevant to my point. Just like I will now ignore your defeat comment.

Is that your way of saying the entire basis of your argument was completely disassembled?

Perhaps you remember saying...

That's the point, Apple isn't number 1 in the american market. Not even close. It is a fluff piece. Let's find a very specific metric in which Apple is #1 and headline it as news.

As far as my hating Apple goes... really, no. I love Apple and their Mac line of computers. I just hate dumb reporting like this which ends up in people like you believing things that aren't actually true because you simply read the headline and forget to look at the details.

I gave another metric and provided all the details, a more important metric even. Every single one of your responses is off-topic to the original article if that is the game you want to play.

I will go out on a limb without even looking into Samsung or any other phone manufacturers..In the only metric that matters. Apple is the #1 cell phone manufacturer in the world. Care to dispute that? Go ahead and tell me more how it does not matter, or is irrelevant. Considering we are talking about an article based on an earnings report, it is a whole heck of a lot more relevant than your rants about fluff pieces.

Except from reading this thread, very few actually got what this was actually about.

I think it is safe to count you as the chief not getter. Considering you thought an article about Motorola's financial statement (which goes into painstaking detail about their decline in reality, it seems you did not even bother to read it), was actually a fluff piece for Apple. If anything the one positive statement about Apple in the Forbes article was a massive understatement.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Obviously the anti-apple fanbase is going to crap on anything that's good news about the iphone.

Because they are irrational. But it does make me warm and fuzzy inside that apple and the iphone are doing great and will continue to.

So they can stomp and rant but people are and will always buy apple products.
Now argue with that

I also suppose that the fact so many people are happy with their apple products is a Fluff piece too? I suppose to the entire MAc user base exists soley on macrumors and on message boards online and therefore their contempt speaks for everyone?

Tell me if this is the case then why is apple's stock price high , Why are they gaining momentum and why are their stores always packed? That's puff also?

 

[KnightWRX]

I gave another metric and provided all the details, a more important metric even.

Exactly, you wrote another fluff piece. Congratulations.

My post pointed out to everyone in this thread going "Apple #1 woohoo!" that the article doesn't mean what they think it means. Your responses so far have all been ways of trying to paint me as a Apple hater. Just let go. There is no Apple hating here.

 

[Haruhi]

Thsi news doles not even surprise my strand of hairl; O) fcourjse theyh are - thjeyh may haredly be a sole mobile phone maiker but even so, trhne iphone is one amazingly popular piece of kit that nobodyh can refuse.

 

[jimmyjoemccrow]

Obviously the anti-apple fanbase is going to crap on anything that's good news about the iphone.

Because they are irrational. But it does make me warm and fuzzy inside that apple and the iphone are doing great and will continue to.

So they can stomp and rant but people are and will always buy apple products.
Now argue with that

I also suppose that the fact so many people are happy with their apple products is a Fluff piece too? I suppose to the entire MAc user base exists soley on macrumors and on message boards online and therefore their contempt speaks for everyone?

Tell me if this is the case then why is apple's stock price high , Why are they gaining momentum and why are their stores always packed? That's puff also?

Ugh. The most irrational thing you will ever see is an Apple fanboy, arguing the case for Apple like a schoolgirl defending her latest crush. The term Apple hater gets used here if you dare to criticise Steve Jobs in any way.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Ugh. The most irrational thing you will ever see is an Apple fanboy, arguing the case for Apple like a schoolgirl defending her latest crush. The term Apple hater gets used here if you dare to criticise Steve Jobs in any way.

Actually no an apple hater is someone that argues with me over something that i choose to use. I don't have to justify anything i purchase. I make my own money to buy things that I like. And if something that i like is something that you don't.

Then that's too bad. Because i live my life for me. I buy things for me. And i feel sorry for someone that makes it their sole mission in life to criticize my purchases.

Because your never going to change my mind. So quit while your ahead

 

[KnightWRX]

Actually no an apple hater is someone that argues with me over something that i choose to use.

So by your definition there is no Apple haters here because no one argued against using an iPhone at all, only about the metrics used in the article to promote Apple to some fictive #1 spot it doesn't yet (or ever will) deserve.

 

[63dot]

Biggest? I thought this was done years ago. ??

Even Mac hating PC fanboys have an iPhone, or two.

 

[synth3tik]

I would believe this would speak more of the lack of innovation in America, and less on how well Apple is doing.

 

[SactoGuy18]

While Apple is the largest US-based cellphone manufacturer, they're nothing compared to the likes of LG, Nokia, Samsung and Sony Ericsson in other markets.

Small wonder why the Google Android OS scares Apple--all of the cellphone manufacturers I mentioned all plan to roll out touchscreen cellphones that will use Android OS 2.1 or 2.2 during the rest of 2010. I've played with a Motorola Droid that recently got the Android 2.1 update and I do agree it's the first really serious competitor against the iPhone.