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Apple Beefing Up iPhone and iPad Antenna Engineering Staff
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Oh, and four Shuttle servicing missions
. But maybe they were just launched to insert the floppy disk .There lies the rub. Succinctly put. Of course, on macrumors the responses to such a post are usually "why don't Apple just buy Nokia?", "Nokia who?", "Nokia eat dirt" etc etc. Nokia of course are having a field day on this issue
OMG... LOL
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/28/how-do-you-hold-your-nokia
Awesome link - and this is just the beginning!
Expect this issue to turn into joke of the year across the globe...
Just because it's a high quality phone overall does not dispute possible manufacturing issues which translates to poor quality concerns with those specific issues, specially when sold on the open market when others in other countries are complaining about the same things. I don't care how much it cost or what it can do. There are quality issues. Are some people experiencing poor quality in reception? Yes. Are people seeing poor quality in screen? Yes.
Your off the cuff splatter of comments really shows your maturity to question my choice to wait until their is clearer information prior to my purchase on KNOWN issues. Mr Musk Rat Boy
OMG... LOL
http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/06/28/how-do-you-hold-your-nokia
Awesome link - and this is just the beginning!
Expect this issue to turn into joke of the year across the globe...
Now if they could just make the phones worth using.
Crazy
WOW my first day and I am Captain.... Member when you used to say ( dad it hurts when I touch my elbow) and your dad would say well... don't touch it!! That is to easy rite? Let's bash a perfectly good device and tell them to redesign it. No disrespect intended that's just my way of thinking.
WOW my first day and I am Captain.... Member when you used to say ( dad it hurts when I touch my elbow) and your dad would say well... don't touch it!! That is to easy rite? Let's bash a perfectly good device and tell them to redesign it. No disrespect intended that's just my way of thinking.
Except its not a perfectly good device if the device does not live up to its name. iPhone.
True, but your implication is incorrect. The iPhone does live up to its name for most, and in some cases even exceeds expectations.
Again, enough with the black and white blanket statements. We all know *some* people are having issues, *some* people are having a fantastic experience and it seems most people are having their expectations met with the phone.
If this problem was as huge as people are trying to make it out to be we would be reading many many stories about how the lines to buy the phone have dried up and the lines to return them have suddenly outpaced the lines to buy.
Dammit.. there i go feeding the trolls again.
Location Matters
At home, with full 3G bars, signal drops like a rock when picked up. Downtown with full 3G bars, nothing happens. At work with full Edge bars, nothing happens.
Why is this not being discussed more? Have you all been locked in your home since you got your iPhone 4????!!!!
At home, with full 3G bars, signal drops like a rock when picked up. Downtown with full 3G bars, nothing happens. At work with full Edge bars, nothing happens.
Why is this not being discussed more? Have you all been locked in your home since you got your iPhone 4????!!!!
2008 called. They want their meme back.
Yes, how original of you to use that phrase to make fun of a meme:
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/XCalledTheyWantTheirYBack
Do you know how many idiotic inventions have been made that people just buy because it's the cool thing? I'm stuck with ATT for now and they really don't have anything better than the iphone. Using the logic that its a bad device logically makes sense but humans are stupid when it comes to the "new" cool thing and people will still buy it.
I just don't want to buy a used 3gs right now if i did return this and I wouldn't want to use my upgrade to buy the 3gs they are selling because I need more capacity.
Never said there was no R&D dude, just an omission of it. Specifically, in the antenna area, which should be the obvious target of my omission statement, given the subject of this thread.
Based on what? Your speculation based on a minority of people complaining on a message board?
I take it you have inside knowledge of why they made that design decision and what engineering trade offs and testing they actually did do specifically in the antenna area? If not you are making a huge assumption and drawing conclusions based on pure speculation.
It is just as likely that a specific combination of cell site configuration, software algorithms, local signal interference, shorting of the antenna, end user skin conductance, and a myriad of other factors all come together in a way that they could not have reasonably tested in the field. Remember we are talking about over 1.7 million locations and a minority of users complaining about consistently dropped calls IN A SPECIFIC LOCATION but not in others.
I am simply saying that people need to wait for the facts before jumping to conclusions. If we ran our justice system this way every person ever brought before a court would be on death row. And before I get jumped on again for "defending" apple, please notice that not ONCE did I say that there is not an issue.
Speculation and anecdotes are not evidence. It's that simple.
Yeah. You're right. All those hundreds of YouTube videos are "malicious rumors." I suppose when I truthfully state that my iPhone 4 has a signal dropping issue that makes me weak minded...?
Your statement is completely nonsensical.
FWIW, yes the problem does seem to be in places where the signal isn't that strong to begin with.
My iCar doesn't work!
SJ: Just push it...
Fanboy: You're bashing a perfectly good device, just push it!
Yes, and combined with, "don't hold it like that" indicates they intend to do nothing to fix the current problems.... I hope that's not true.
Excellent question - but I believe it's location. I use my phone 2 1/2 miles from my house (at work) and all is well. As I have said, I can still get it to drop a bar or two, but I don't care about that -- I just want to be able to use the phone and browse the web, which I can do.
So, Iphone 4 may very well have better reception in *most* cases, but definitely not all... and unfortunately, the most important one to me is being able to use my phone at my house
.There are at least an equal number of people that have not encountered this issue because it is clearly based on location (proximity to tower, type of signal on tower, etc...). The specifics are not known, but I think we can easily conclude that.
And I can also conclude that everyone that travels out of their normal area will also eventually run into this issue.
I think the stories and the message boards are a clear indication this is a real issue and Apple has remained quite silent on which is a bit disrespectful to the ones that are having the issue.
I do think you will see a lot of returns as we get close to the 30 days if the issue isn't addressed by then - I'll be at least 1 person in line.
I'm happy for the ones that are not having issues, and I wish no ill-will on them -- so why all the hate toward the ones that are having this issue?
I just can't understand how people can be so rude to others and honestly think that they are spending hours of their free time spreading lies and rumors and making this stuff up -- Is this a joke?
When Toyota had gas pedal problems, would you have been defending them if they said, "you are pushing the pedal wrong?", or "buy this $500 upgraded pedal if you can't learn to push the pedal in a different way"
At least try and show some decency and class.
It's a phone that loses signal and drops calls when held in the normal way. (same way that Steve Jobs holds it and Apple's own marketing materials show it being held). You'd have to be really, really, really stupid to think that isn't a very serious problem and a very important factor to consider when deciding to buy the phone or not.
Sure, when it's sitting on a table that may be true. But it is no longer true once you pick it up and hold it in the normal way. Its signal attenuation when held normally is 10 x worse than the iPhone 3gs. See http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2. This link will help you understand a lot about what is going on.
ALL iPhone 4s have the reception issue and EVERY iPhone 4 owner has this problem - that's probably over 2 million people by now. Some just haven't realised it yet. It's all about the location you're using your phone in and the signal strength in that particular place. All IP4s behave the same way in any particular location, they will either all exhibit the problem, or they all won't. In the week since the phone was released, no one has been able to provide any evidence for 2 iP4s behaving differently (1 showing the problem, one not) in the same location. If you haven't had the problem yet, you just haven't been to a location where it manifests itself. Unless you are physically rooted to the spot, it's only a matter of time before you do. A phone dropping it's signal such that it becomes unusable (when held in the normal way) in many places is hardly minor problem. On the contrary, it's a fundamental problem that affects the most basic functionality of the phone
to co-opt your asinine example... it's like finding the best car in the world, and then not buying it because it has been proven (again see the anandtech link above) that on some roads,touching a particular spot on the steering wheel will cause the car to slow to a halt over about 30 seconds. Unfortunately, this "killswitch" is in the very spot that most people hold the steering wheel.
I seriously question your ability to read and comprehend information in a rational way if you haven't realised any of this yet. Most fan boys have already grasped the fact that their phone is just as ****ed as everybody else's and have retired with their tail between their legs at this point.
Location, Location, Location.
In case you still haven't got it yet, you do have his problems.
Ok so here goes my possible scenario:
Since they were using the look-alike 3GS cases never realised the antenna problem.
They noted it for the first time when Steve was on stage presenting the iPhone 4 and couldn't load the page (the 3GS did even if it did it slow due the all those wifis). Steve fired the whole team and they posted the ads.
But still one problem with the scenario. How come all devices dont have the antenna issue?
Since they were using the look-alike 3GS cases never realised the antenna problem.
They noted it for the first time when Steve was on stage presenting the iPhone 4 and couldn't load the page (the 3GS did even if it did it slow due the all those wifis). Steve fired the whole team and they posted the ads.
But still one problem with the scenario. How come all devices dont have the antenna issue?
Unlikely indeed. Who would kick Jobs out of Apple? The shareholders? I think they're pretty pleased with what Steve's done for their AAPL stock value over the last decade.
The next biggest feature of the Iphone 5 is the ability to hold it any way you like. trust me, it will be revolutionary. not just the way our god steve jobs may command.