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Apple Begins Discontinuing iPhone SE and iPhone 14 in EU Ahead of USB-C Requirement

Abazigal said:
On a somewhat unrelated sidenote, is there a reason why we don’t see more television sets with usb-c ports?

My portable monitor comes with a usb-c port that I can connect to my nintendo switch via a 4.0 cable, which provides both power and display and basically does away with the need for a dedicated port.

Won’t be it cool if televisions could do the same thing as well? Why are we all still sticking with HDMI again?

EU, can you please do something about this as well?
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The rule applies to rechargeable portable devices. TVs usually are not.
 
applefan8254 said:
Why didn't apple donate lightning to a standards body? like it did with USBC and magsafe?
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Because Apple was making money with Lightning, and Lightning was almost DOA because it had no value to anyone outside of Apple once USB-C was released.

They're probably many universes where Apple just stuck with the 30-pin connector a bit longer and then moved to USB-C, never releasing Lightning at all.
 
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Manatlt said:
Yes and lose the EU market altogether and let Android dominate.
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Android is already dominant in Europe and will be getting more dominant soon. Apple isn’t offering any AI related things while Android is going full speed ahead.
 
DavidSchaub said:
Because Apple was making money with Lightning, and Lightning was almost DOA because it had no value to anyone outside of Apple once USB-C was released.
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People talk about Apple making money off of lightning, but I would not be surprised if they spent more money on employee gifts and perks in a year then lightning brought in.
 
Given the fact that the iPhone 14 is really just a 13 in disguise, this isn't a big loss for the marketplace. The only real loser is Apple who won't be able to charge Europeans premium price for 3+ year old tech.

The SE3 has some fans, but I doubt it has ever sold particularly well. I like the price point and overall size because it's so easily pocketed. I also like touch ID but the screen is small and the battery life, while slightly improved over the SE2, is pathetic.

I've compared my SE in its protective case with the iPhone 16 and found them to be remarkably similar in dimensions so I'm confident that I'll be able to carry the SE4 (when it ships) in the same pockets I currently use.
 
Sophisticatednut said:
It isn’t retrospective, but it covers any product that is put on the market for the first time. And this means when they are sold for the first time.
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Yes, as I previously mentioned. However, the claim that Apple is discontinuing these pre-DMA products due to some kind of regulation that prohibits its market is incorrect.

“So essentially Apple can’t sell them to anyone after December 28th, but any retailers that purchased them from Apple and had them delivered before December 28th can sell them”

No. One thing does not imply the other.

Apple can continue selling and producing these models even after the specified date because they were introduced to the market before the deadline. The regulation only applies to new products entering the market after the stated date, not to those already available before.

Again, Apple is not being forced to either stop produce and sell these products or retrofit USB-C on them. It applicable only to new products entering the market.

They simply have chosen not do so for other reasons. In particular I believe that Apple predicts a drastic reduction in interest for products that do not support USB-C in the EU. Especially considering their proprietary interface is being discontinued. Instead they prefer to focus their sales and production efforts on USB-C supporting devices.

Considering the expectations I believe it’s a sensible business decision.
 
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jlc1978 said:
I would like them to add a Touch ID capability to one of the buttons and still keep FaceID. That way, those that like it can use FaceID while those who prefer a bit more security could use Touch ID instead of constantly entering a password or passcode.
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Outside of scenarios where FaceID does technically not work for a person (for whatever reasons) - in which way is TouchID more secure than FaceID?

My understanding is that every biometric authentication that can be done via TouchID can also be done via FaceID.
 
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Neodym said:
Outside of scenarios where FaceID does technically not work for a person (for whatever reasons) - in which way is TouchID more secure than FaceID?

My understanding is that every biometric authentication that can be done via TouchID can also be done via FaceID.
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If your phone is not in your possession but nearby it might be unlock-able without your physical contact. I use a password since that disables both ad well as prevents law enforcement from making me unlock it.
 
Bregalad said:
The SE3 has some fans, but I doubt it has ever sold particularly well. I like the price point and overall size because it's so easily pocketed. I also like touch ID but the screen is small and the battery life, while slightly improved over the SE2, is pathetic.
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I don't know many people that have paid for the SE. I was however surprised to learn how many companies have standardized on the SE for their personnel. I wouldn't be surprised if the SE is primarily a business phone.

My company was acquired last September, and I now also have an SE from the company. I also have a 14 Pro. I find the difference in form factor to be significant. The SE fits in places where my 14 Pro clearly doesn't. Since this is a secondary phone for me, I'm happy with the smaller form factor. But I'm thrilled I don't have to use it as a primary device. The screen is (too) small and I can't get used to TouchID anymore.
 
Artemis70 said:
I don't know many people that have paid for the SE. I was however surprised to learn how many companies have standardized on the SE for their personnel. I wouldn't be surprised if the SE is primarily a business phone.
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I'm guess it's because of pricing. It's a very capable phone for businesses whose main needs are messaging, email and actually answering a phone; all for a lot less than other iPhones.
 
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green_diyos said:
I think it has to do with the TV being that big and USB-A dominating USB flash drives.

Adding a USB-C port would be useful but would add cost to manufacturing.

What I'd love to see is the elimination of legacy I/O on TV like

- RCA
- component
- composite
- s-video
- antenna
- VGA
- DVI

If need be provide dongles as an add on.

And just have HDMI, USB-C and USB-A 10Gbps. No need for for DisplayPort as that could be accommodated with USB-C.
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And more HDMI... I keep running out, and replacing my receiver with a soundbar made it even worse as it requires an HDMI earc port out.
 
whitby said:
Not clear in this article by Macrumors is whether the UK will continue to get these products or will they be forced by Apple to conform to their decision to remove these devices in the EU, since I am pretty sure this is nothing to do with the EU regulations on the use of USB C charging interfaces (see my comments below).

The other interesting thing here is I thought the regulations applied to newly introduced products and not existing products. I read opinions that have said new products only and others that say all products thus making obsolete vast swaths of products including cameras, mosquito repellent devices etc. etc. since this directive would apply to the mini USB connector as well if that were true. I am pretty sure that this charging interface requirement applies to newly introduced products only.

I am also intrigued to know whether Apple have pulled all Lightning connector based products from the stores eg. Mouse and Keyboard. I know there are USB C versions but there must be inventory of the older versions.

I personally have no problem with Lightning charger interfaces. They work well and are very reliable. The USB C connectors have not shown themselves to be so reliable and robust for me. Try trying to insert a USB C plug into a socket in the dark and compare to Lightning plugs which I find much much easier.
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1: the UK isn’t under EU rules so they have their own laws
2: a product is considered new when it’s sold for the first time on the market, and not when the product is launched or registered. Aka every unit sold is classified as a new product.

3: Apple might have units in store until December 28th
 
jlc1978 said:
If your phone is not in your possession but nearby it might be unlock-able without your physical contact. I use a password since that disables both ad well as prevents law enforcement from making me unlock it.
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I would think that a law enforcement which isn’t shy to use physical force to make you open your eyes to trigger FaceID would also not be shy to use physical force to make you reveal your password.

So I do understand the scenario you’re referring to, but would consider the convenience and security of FaceID easily outweighing the benefits in a (imho rather theoretical) scenario of using a password over FaceID, while introducing new attack vectors and possible security issues from using a password.
 
davide_eu said:
We'll survive even without idevices... don't worry.
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The EU doesn’t think so, as the easiest and quickest way to get what they want from Apple (Indonesia has shown the way) is to restrict the sale of new devices until Apple concedes. The EU will never do that because their tech future literally depends on Apple and Google selling their citizens devices. There ARE no EU phone OS or hardware companies.
 
dwsolberg said:
The move to usb-c was long overdue. However, legally, even if a better connector is developed in the future, it cannot be used.
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Which is why Apple is continuing to fight the regulation. When the next better connector is available, it could be rolled out overnight anywhere else. The EU regulatory bodies aren’t known for their speed and no company wants to have to ship a USB-C version and a separate NxT connect version for the rest of the world.
 
Unregistered 4U said:
The EU doesn’t think so, as the easiest and quickest way to get what they want from Apple (Indonesia has shown the way) is to restrict the sale of new devices until Apple concedes. The EU will never do that because their tech future literally depends on Apple and Google selling their citizens devices. There ARE no EU phone OS or hardware companies.
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EU doesn't restrict anybody.

EU has simply told that in its market there are rules, like in any other market around the world.


If you don't comply, you cannot sell.

It's not against this or that company...
 
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