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Why is it that any time pricing is mentioned, people devolve into a bickering war about the price difference between the US and other countries? Get over it - it has always been this way and always will.

Join the millions of people who quit complaining and took advantage of it. Find a cheap ticket to America and bring some empty luggage. Shopping centers in every large American city are filled with visitors. Some, like in Hawaii, are nearly 100% visitors.
 
They're not cheap in US... they are expensive in Australia.

Hence the phase "...compared to Australia".

But how about Singapore? Thailand? Vietnam? Malaysia? Brazil? Demark? South Korea?

America is Apple's home country, we understand that they would be priced in favour of America, but when you guys are complaining about the price for every phone (3GS, 4, 4s) - take a step back and see how other countries are faring.
 
I can't comment for the US but I bought an off contract one here in the UK for £699.

People go mental when I tell them this and they can't believe I paid that for the phone. However, when you make a simple spreadsheet of iPhone 4S on contract for 24 months at my current deal with the initial purchase price it is over £100 more expensive in the 24 months than buying outright and having the sim only tariff that I have.

I've always had a hard time understanding what makes it cheaper in the long run to buy off contract in the long run.
 
I've always thought that if you are going to pay $6.25 per GB to upgrade from a 16GB to a 32GB iPhone or iPad (16GB more for $100) that it makes even more sense to pay $4.17 per GB to upgrade from a 16GB to a 64GB (48GB more for $200). And yet, the margins on the 64GB model are still the highest if I am not mistaken.

Then when you start looking at the used prices the highest memory configurations are under valued compared to the smallest memory configuration. That $100 per step almost disappears an all the phones get grouped around one price point for the majority. You can find $750 64gb 4S on ebay without too much difficulty. The 32gb 4S seems to be selling north of $700 though. Crazy but I will take it.

Apple product resale values are fascinating to me, they really fly in the face of almost all other electronics.
 
For people that complaint about why Apple products are so expensive outside of the US. Well don't blame it on Apple, but your government taxing companies importing product in the country.
 
I've always had a hard time understanding what makes it cheaper in the long run to buy off contract in the long run.

I don't see where you get a better deal by not having a contract. All other things being the same.
 
1. Good for you

2. I do understand GDP etc (That is pointed at the other guy more than you) I understand it to the point that the ratios he quotes are quite flawed. The Debt to GDP ratio in this case is flawed for the following reason. £850bn of the £980bn UK debt is in bank bailouts (See point 3). A low debt to GDP ratio indicates an economy that produces a large number of goods and services and probably profits that are high enough to pay back debts. Therefore, for our relative size we are not able to foot the bill as well as the US on goods and services profit etc, however, in our case most of said debt is owed back to us by the Banks and much will be recouped by re-privatising our shares of said banks and receiving loan repayments with interest. Your debt to GDP figures do not take that into account and therefore your statistics in my honest opinion are skewed and do not accurately reflect the debt situation or more accurately the UK debt situation vs the US. Q.E.D

3. Wrong. Debt stands at £980bn. The Bank bailouts cost us £850bn thats approx 90% of the debt! (Over 50% of that is directly recoverable and potentially more depending on future deals)

4. I won't even dignify that with a response.

5. I read it on BBC news website, I cannot find the article but have found something that gives you the jist here (Yes I know this is daily mail but it was on BBC):

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...Treasury-hand-taxpayers-sell-bank-shares.html

Now lets get back on topic gentlemen

1/ I'm English
2/ The scaling does matter. Comparing raw figures is meaningless
3/ Unfortunately only a small amount of debt consists of bank shares that can be sold at some point
4/ If you think the government is going to give you a refund you must be smoking something pretty strong
5/ Please cite the newspaper you got your £1000 quote from



I think eenuuk was off sick from school that day.
 
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As much as I love Apple, I think the off-contract prices are too high. Begin the down-voting.

I agree, but not just with Apple. Other smartphone manufacturers have ridiculous off contract prices as well (For example: Sprint Nexus S is $699.99 off contract...for a year old phone with a replacement coming out soon! AT&T version is a bit more reasonable at $529, but still hardware comparable to iPhone 4.)

iPhone 4S 16GB - $649
-3.5" IPS retina display
-3G/Wifi chip
-A5 processor
-512MB RAM

iPad Wifi/3G 16GB - $599
-9.7" IPS display, much lower PPI
-3G/Wifi chip
-A5 processor
-512MB RAM

Even though the retina display is higher PPI I imagine it is still cheaper than the iPad's 9.7" IPS display. Overall I think the 4S should be $549 off contract.

I think the carriers probably have something to do with off contract pricing for all devices though. Or maybe it is just industry wide price fixing.
 
Its interesting that an unlocked phone has no real advantage in the usa if your trying to save money monthly compared to a second hand iphone. H20, att go phone and straight talk via a trick all work on any iphone so there is no need to unlock.
 
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Compare Android phone off-contrast prices. Apple's are much higher. And who buys Nokia anymore anyways?


There is a thing called World Map. If you look at it, you will see hundreds of countries other than US or UK. Those countries that you look at, especially the largest country on the map which is Russia of course is the biggest Nokia market. Other countries like India, Pakistan, China, some european countries, they all buy Nokia phones. Add all of those together, and you have a world market leader which is Nokia.
 
You make it sound as if those with unlocked phones are to going to have to pay for their monthly service. Most folks will still want monthly access to data, rather than having data only some months and not others. In the USA the carriers don't give you a discount on the monthly service if your phone is not subsidized by them. They don't say "oh hey, we don't have any subsidy to recover from you, so you can pay less for your voice/data plan". Nope.... they just reap all the profits as you pay them the $15 to $45 per month (depending on your plan/carrier).

So if the carrier is offering a subsidy, then buying the unlocked is certainly not a way to save money. The only advantage to an unlocked phone is to use it on a carrier that does not offer the subsidy or to avoid being locked into a contract for 1.5 to 2 years without the ability to upgrade. But if you plan on sticking with your current carrier, then buying an unlocked phone in the USA holds no financial reward except for the carrier itself."
Totally NOT true. If you buy a subsidized iphone 4s thru ATT and pay for the mid range data/voice package...its $84.99 a month for 24 months =$2,039 + $399 for the 64gig iphone + $36 activation fee =$2,474 over two years.

If you buy the unlocked 64gig iphone like i plan to, it costs $849 + the ATT prepaid go phone voice plan/text plan of $25 a month....thats $1,449 over 2 years. Yeah...you dont have data...but i already have an unlimited data plan on my ipad which i much prefer surfing the web on...plus the iphone has wifi....and MOST IMPORTANTLY....i am not locked into a contract, and when i travel abroad - which i do often...i can swap out sim cards without hassle instead of paying for my att contract at home PLUS insane international roaming fees.
 
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Check system activity. There is prob some process chewing up CPU and draining the batt. There was mention online about an icloud syncing issue that causes batt loss. The issue w/ the time zone setting in the location services has been fixed in 5.0.1. My batt life is back to normal now.
 
US Pricing of iPhone 4S 64GB Handset only is $849! Yet that is £530! it costs £500 to buy the 16GB Version here in the UK! I paid £700 for the 64GB iPhone 4S here. That is equivalent to $1,120.

Why so cheap over there? It's basically the same phone. Yet in the UK we pay £170/$270 more for exactly the same phone?

We're a lot cheaper on contracts though and often get free phones while in the US the 3GS has only just become free on a 24 month contract! Just chosen 2 similar iPhone packages and the difference is quite significant...

US:

iPhone 4S 32GB
AT&T
Handset - $299.99
900 mins - $59.99 p.m
2GB data - $25.00 p.m
Unlimited texts - $20.00 p.m
Activation - $36.00
24 months

So total is $299 + (24 x ($59.99 + $25.00 + $20.00)) + $36.00 = $2854.76 (or £1,775.56)

UK:

iPhone 4S 32GB
Orange
Handset - £79.99 = $128.59
900 mins, 1GB data, unlimited texts - £46 p.m = $73.97
24 months

So total is $128.59 + (24 x $73.97) = $1903.87 (or £1183.99)

Or with GiffGaff:
iPhone 4S 32GB unlocked - £599.00 = $963.00
GiffGaff
250 mins, unlimited data, unlimited texts - £10 p.m rolling contract = $16.08
Keep for 24 months

Total would be $963.00 + (24 x $16.08) = $1348.92 (or £839.00)
 
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There is a thing called World Map. If you look at it, you will see hundreds of countries other than US or UK. Those countries that you look at, especially the largest country on the map which is Russia of course is the biggest Nokia market. Other countries like India, Pakistan, China, some european countries, they all buy Nokia phones. Add all of those together, and you have a world market leader which is Nokia.

World Map, like this one? :D
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_6YVaqgVAC...BuiV-W0/s1600/WorldAsAmericaSeesIt-734390.jpg
 
Why and how are they preventing these from being used on CMDA carriers? Are they disabling the CDMA components? I'm in Canada and when I go to the US, I use prepaid cards for AT&T or TMob or the MVNOs. Is it just a matter of the CDMA carriers choosing not to activate them on their networks unless they are subsidized? Wouldn't Sprint and Verizon want the option to sell me (and all the other tourists) their prepaid services? I'd love to add Verizon and Sprint to my prepaid options, but I guess I'll have to stay with the GSM guys.

I'm with you. If the CDMA radio is still there, I should be able to activate it on Verizon or Sprint. Since they will also sell you an iPhone at the same price off-contract, I believe the only difference is the SIM is locked. Something fishy going on here and I think the FTC needs to investigate the anti-competitive practices.
 
I don't see where you get a better deal by not having a contract. All other things being the same.

The original poster clearly stated he doesnt know the US situation.
Neither do I, but in most European countries there are very cheap carriers that just dont sell subsidized phones, only subscriptions(with data).
So in "most"(not all) countries it is cheaper buying an unlocked iPhone and choose the cheapest plan instead of buying a cheap iphone with an expensive plan.
 
I'm with you. If the CDMA radio is still there, I should be able to activate it on Verizon or Sprint. Since they will also sell you an iPhone at the same price off-contract, I believe the only difference is the SIM is locked. Something fishy going on here and I think the FTC needs to investigate the anti-competitive practices.

Investigate Apple or the cell carriers? This is a CDMA carrier demand, not Apple.
 
I'm pretty sure in the grand scheme of life it could be argued that I could take that money and invest it and make more than that £100.

But the cold hard facts tell me in 24 months I save myself £120~

Still not sure how I am going to pay the credit card bill with the phone on this month though :D

I've always had a hard time understanding what makes it cheaper in the long run to buy off contract in the long run.
 
I think there's something basic I'm failing to understand. I have a AT&T locked 3GS, but I'm out of contract. Since the unlocked 4S can't use Sprint or Verizon, isn't it effectively the same thing as an AT&T locked phone? Even with the locked 3GS, I could still switch to a GoPhone prepaid SIM card, right?

As far as I can tell, the ONLY advantage is for when I go traveling and maybe AT&T doesn't offer service where I go (or at least not cheaply).
 
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The best and cheapest solution for an iPhone plan is the Simpletalk trick, which works on ANY iPhone locked or unlocked and only costs $45 a month, prepaid, no contract, with unlimited data at full speed AT&T speeds, with unlimited minutes for talk, text, and data. The only potential downside is the cost of the specific Nokia prepaid phone model you need to purchase new to get the SIM card, and the fact that the iPhone 4S doesn't have a public jailbreak yet so there is no way to get MMS fully working at the moment on the 4S phone with this trick. But that will change shortly. The other tricky part is actually getting an iPhone at a reasonable price.... but even if you had to pay full retail... $650 + $150 for the Nokia phone is really pennies for the privilege of having an iPhone with unlimited data, text and talk at FULL speeds for just $45 a month without contract. The savings totally justifies the upfront costs!
 
I think there's something basic I'm failing to understand. I have a AT&T locked 3GS, but I'm out of contract. Since the unlocked 4S can't use Sprint or Verizon, isn't it effectively the same thing as an AT&T locked phone? Even with the locked 3GS, I could still switch to a GoPhone prepaid SIM card, right?

As far as I can tell, the ONLY advantage is for when I go traveling and maybe AT&T doesn't offer service where I go (or at least not cheaply).
Do you really have no GSM Providers other than AT&T & T-Mobile in such a big country:eek: (Maybe because you're divided between GSM & CDMA, but still).
In a country as small as Belgium there are 3 real GSM-providers(and a forth one planne) plus dozens of virtual providers.(so it's really easy to choose a cheaper plan over here)
 
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