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For those defending Apple, I can’t see much of a problem with that. A lot of members here have higher education and understand how software and hardware can work together to eliminate failures in either, for the price of speed on an aging device. It’s not the algorithms existence that bothers members here, but the lack of transparency and omission of its existence on Apple’s part.

So which is which now? Are we angry at Apple for slowing down our devices, not informing us of this, or just angry?
 
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This was clearly inevitable and I'm surprised the story hasn't blown up even more.

They can't go around saying their processors trounce SnapDragon's and give specified speed improvements over their previous models when they only perform at the advertised speeds for a year or so. The whole narrative has been false. John Gruber's response was totally uncritical in its thinking. It's not about whether they are intentionally trying to force people to upgrade. It's about whether the product was sold with the specifications it was advertised to have.

And there is so much missing in Apple's explanation about this being about balancing battery vs. performance. If that were the case, why does my fourth generation iPod touch work quickly and without random shutdowns? It's so old I can't even put a number of years on it.

There is either bad battery tech that is particular to Apple's phones or they have designed processors that require a power source that is unsustainable in a phone.

I stopped going to Johns site and listening to his podcast full of non-challenging friends and very little critical thinking. He is too close to the VP's in the company and won't dare fracture that relationship and it impacts his product.

I agree wholly with your other points, they crossed a line with this and the biggest one is the lack of transparency. If they have an issue with a 1 year old phone degrading to the point that it can't supply enough power to run at full spec that is a recallable issue. Especially when they spec the battery at 80% after 500 full charge cycles.
 
I agree it wasn’t the best of analogies, but the point still stands. You can’t fight physics, and batteries can and will wear out over time.
Batteries “naturally” getting older is not the problem here.
Aghh, come on, as said many times in here, it’s their hidden fraudy method of hidding their well known battery design flaw on cost of their customers by not notifying of virtual permanent systemwide throttling, and for rejecting replacements of faulty batteries that leads these throttles. When the sole of your shoes wear out, you actually can see it at the latest when your toes come out. Thats a natural notification. Nobody here is asking for a sole that holds a lifetime.
 
There are way more ‘user friendly’ options if Apple’s goal was to prevent battery issuses... for example, allowing users to control this ‘feature’ (on/off), or downclocking the phone @ only when it goes down to 20% battery charge or so...


Ths is what court would probably evaluate...

Looking from another aspect...there is a global economy - it is ‘supposed’ to be good when people buy more phones, it creates more demand, production, jobs etc. Not end user friendly but...somebody will defend this position as well...
Probably a good idea, but Apple is not about giving their users options. They definitely should’ve been upfront about this throttling.
 
Really? When you report that the one year old iPhone 7 is already on the black list and you have nothing against this, you're a blind apologetic.

"As many people have suggested, Apple has done a poor job of explaining why it has implemented these power feature management and how the state of the battery ultimately affects iPhone performance. More transparent information about battery health should be provided, and customers should be better informed when their batteries start to degrade so they can choose whether or not to pay for a replacement. Apple may also need to relax its policies on when customers can pay for a battery replacement, as currently, a battery can't be replaced unless in-store equipment registers it as near failing."​

Are these really the problems users have with this? Or are macrumors readers mad because their phones are supposed to last only one year. Macrumors is totally off.

"Lithium-ion batteries degrade over time by nature, and this eventual wearing out addressed by the power management features is unrelated to the release of new iPhone models."​

Of course it isn't.

"The lawsuit seemingly misrepresents Apple's original statement and suggests the plaintiffs and their lawyers do not understand Apple's explanation for how iPhone power management features work and why they were implemented, given the lawsuit's suggestion that it's tied to the release of new devices. As explained by Apple, when certain iPhone models hit a peak of processor power, a degraded battery is sometimes unable to provide enough juice, leading to a shutdown. Apple says it "smooths out" these peaks by limiting the power draw from the battery or by spreading power requests over several cycles."
It's a fact because Apple said it. Funny how after one year, the new iOS is buggy and the battery life is cut in half and after 1,5 years your battery is degraded. Why isn't this happening on Android phones?

Yep macrumors is really siding with its readers here. If it wasn't for Geekbench we wouldn't even know about this. And yet, we should believe EVERYTHING Apple says because you know, they never lied.

It doesn’t matter if we know or not. The result is the same. If you are having performance issues, it is insanely easy to have a diagnostic ran. You can do that in your pajamas watching tv. If the battery is bad, they will schedule an appt to have it replaced. How is this complex?
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Batteries “naturally” getting older is not the problem here.
Aghh, come on, as said many times in here, it’s their hidden fraudy method of hidding their well known battery design flaw on cost of their customers by not notifying of virtual permanent systemwide throttling, and for rejecting replacements of faulty batteries that leads these throttles. When the sole of your shoes wear out, you actually can see it at the latest when your toes come out. Thats a natural notification. Nobody here is asking for a sole that holds a lifetime.
There is no design flaw here. Period.
 
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It doesn’t matter if we know or not. The result is the same. If you are having performance issues, it is insanely easy to have a diagnostic ran. You can do that in your pajamas watching tv. If the battery is bad, they will schedule an appt to have it replaced. How is this complex?
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There is no design flaw here. Period.

And if the battery isn’t bad they still throttle you and slow down the device. How difficult is it to understand that?
 
So which is which now? Are we angry at Apple for slowing down our devices, not informing us of this, or just angry?
I’m on the informing side. Who knows, man... we all know Macrumors is a soup of people from highly dysfunctional to extremely functional. I’m just sticking up for the upper crust.
 
This was clearly inevitable and I'm surprised the story hasn't blown up even more.

They can't go around saying their processors trounce SnapDragon's and give specified speed improvements over their previous models when they only perform at the advertised speeds for a year or so. The whole narrative has been false. John Gruber's response was totally uncritical in its thinking. It's not about whether they are intentionally trying to force people to upgrade. It's about whether the product was sold with the specifications it was advertised to have.

And there is so much missing in Apple's explanation about this being about balancing battery vs. performance. If that were the case, why does my fourth generation iPod touch work quickly and without random shutdowns? It's so old I can't even put a number of years on it.

There is either bad battery tech that is particular to Apple's phones or they have designed processors that require a power source that is unsustainable in a phone.

It hasn't and it won't because Apple has all the media in its pockets. Nobody dares talk bad about Apple.
 
Simple solution: Battery warning popup. Replace battery at Apple Store as required.

Apple's solution: Reduce performance discretely. Don't tell anyone until the media starts digging. "Prolong" the life on an iPhone by making it unbearably slow.

Whoever at Apple approved this decision is a moron.

Their problem in the first solution for basically the rest of the world where a two year warranty exists is that battery replacement is a warranty claim. I would even say even those with AppleCare it is a cost that Apple could mitigate if they can drag the issue beyond the expiry date. In my mind Apple knew is exactly what they were doing. Their official explanation is serendipitous at best. This is the modern, greedy deceitful Apple.
 
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The throttling only kicks in if the battery is degraded.

Apple doesn’t change your battery unless it’s degraded past 80%. Why heavy throttling after a year and far away from 80%? Some get it at 93%. Also the actual use of the phone is affected too. It’s not like it is as fast as it was initially advertised either.
 
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The inconsistency is when you go to Apple Store and they tell you that your battery is absolutely fine after all the diagnostic tests.

There are more reasons for performance issues than bad battery. If your battery is fine, the issues are related to other factors
 
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Apple doesn't come to your house and force you to enable automatic OS updates, or hit the Update Now button. Lot of people don't update immediately, but wait for the reports and the x.1 or x.2 fixes.

last time i checked they only published their excuse the other day after being forced to do so and there is no way to downgrade which the EU should have deemed illegal years ago anyway
 
Apple doesn’t change your battery unless it’s degraded last 80%. Why heavy throttling after a year and far away from 80%? Some get it at 93%. Also the actual use of the phone is affected too. It’s not like it is as fast as it was initially advertised either.
There is not a magic time frame (one year) where it kicks in. That’s ridiculous.
 
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... and if your phone shut down periodically you would be complaning about that. What Apple is doing is smart. Where they failed is being transparaent.

Thinking before posting is a lost art.

You know what I would do is my phone was randomly shutting off? I would KNOW there's a problem and take it in to get repaired or replaced. I think that's what anyone who's not a complete moron would do as well. Maybe that's not something you would think of doing and instead just look at the phone and say "welp, this darn thing" and just keep turning it back on, but please stop making the mistake of thinking everyone is as simple minded.
 
It doesn’t matter if we know or not. The result is the same. If you are having performance issues, it is insanely easy to have a diagnostic ran. You can do that in your pajamas watching tv. If the battery is bad, they will schedule an appt to have it replaced. How is this complex?
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There is no design flaw here. Period.

Oh my dear sir, but it is. You see, my battery is perfect, but still it's draining so fast with iOS 11 that I HAVE to charge it more often. Charging more often will destroy it faster and in no time, i'll end up complaining that my phone is slow. Most people would have already bought a new phone by now, but after these news, there will be change. Or at least, i hope so.
 
I could see having an option, even making it default after a certain amount of time. But the consumer should always have the choice to refuse
 
last time i checked they only published their excuse the other day after being forced to do so and there is no way to downgrade which the EU should have deemed illegal years ago anyway
So you want a phone that randomly shuts down and could pose a potential hazard?
 
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