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No we can see clock speeds and performance governors in android.you can also overclock the CPU and GPU and memory controller.

If so, and your device runs without crashing, that proves that your device was throttled by the manufacturer (below what it could do if the default OS settings used something closer to your overclocked settings.)
 
Not sure that's really possible. Battery charge and discharge cycles are subject to current limit and Apple and any other manufacturer should apply the techniques as necessary. But, what they must NOT do is mask the battery condition.
As a minimum, the battery must be able to perform as expected during the warranty period and as long as the number of charge discharge cycles has not exceeded a realistic threshold.
“Battery performance” is BS. My iPhone 6 worked just fine until IMMEDIATELY AFTER iOS 11 installation.
 
Best means nothing when iPhone X and 8 will be old phones in months then Apple will force the cpu to run like half speed.

And they were promoted as being “x times “ as fast as older models with no disclaimer that those speeds will be purposely throttled possibly resulting in performance down to previous models speeds.
 
Except they aren't extending the life of your device but the life of the battery. The device itself is perfectly fine. The battery here is the issue. If the battery is not even powerful enough to power the phone then they should replace it not throttle other phone components to make up for a bad battery.

You can replace the battery if you want to. Smoothing out the performance due to a battery getting older is not a bad thing. When my 5 used to shut down as the battery got older, it frustrated me.
 
You can replace the battery if you want to. Smoothing out the performance due to a battery getting older is not a bad thing. When my 5 used to shut down as the battery got older, it frustrated me.


Supposedly, that "smoothing" technique only addressed 80% of unexpected shutdown. What happened to the 20%?
 
Supposedly, that "smoothing" technique only addressed 80% of unexpected shutdown. What happened to the 20%?

Very likely even after you switch to a new battery, after like 3 months Apple would consider it is an "old phone" again and slow down the cpu like 50%

Apple of course doesn't really do this for "better user experience", it is just forcing most of the people feel like the old iphones are too slow and going to buy X or 8. If no one buying new iphone, how does Apple survive?
 
Very likely even after you switch to a new battery, after like 3 months Apple would consider it is an "old phone" again and slow down the cpu like 50%

Apple of course doesn't really do this for "better user experience", it is just forcing most of the people feel like the old iphones are too slow and going to buy X or 8. If no one buying new iphone, how does Apple survive?

They don’t need to do that to get sales and you know it.
 
Thanks for the definition, I think it's pretty obvious what both of the terms mean. "Unplanned" is irrelevant, every piece of technology experiences this and always has. It would be PLANNED if the latest OS was not able to be installed on older devices at all; if each OS was only compatible with the latest device, that's literally planning to make the previous generation obsolete. Releasing an optimized OS specific to each older device and tailored so that it runs as optimally as possible is not making something obsolete, it's the opposite - extending its life.

What is still being overlooked is that updating to the latest OS is not a mandatory activity. Apple could do better to explain what happens when you do update relative to this scenario, and for all I know it is already in the T's and C's you "agree" to, but remaining on the OS the phone was shipped with would result only in the "unplanned" obsolescence as a result of dying tech. I use the word "dying" to describe anything getting older.

I don't see any of these court cases going anywhere. The lasting effect will be the PR.
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That makes 0 sense. What computer runs the same nearly ten years later? If you're still running the OS it came with, then yes. New OS' have new requirements. While a computer may be able to handle it, it won't necessarily run as well as a brand new machine designed and optimized for that new software. I can't believe this conversation is happening. *facepalm*


Depends on whether, as in this case, the manufacturer is purposely including secret code in the OS to slow your device down and motivate you to upgrade.
 
They don’t need to do that to get sales and you know it.

LOL not really for now. Iphone X sales is pretty bad. Iphone 7 sales is strong now you know people don't think it worth it at all to buy expensive 8 or X. Even for the first month of X, 8 sales is better than X. Apple is going down like it did but this time no Jobs to save the world.

Not hard to understand why Apple needs to do this kind of cheap shot now to force more people to get new iphones. iphones is the only real product they have and all other Apple stuff base on the relationship with iphone. Without iphone Apple is nothing.
 
It's more accurate to say sales of the 8 and 8 Plus are greater than that of the X.
Sales of the X alone are greater than that of the 8 sales as well as greater than the 8 Plus sales but not greater than both.
Sort of misleading news factoid making it sound like the X is a problem.
 
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LOL not really for now. Iphone X sales is pretty bad. Iphone 7 sales is strong now you know people don't think it worth it at all to buy expensive 8 or X. Even for the first month of X, 8 sales is better than X. Apple is going down like it did but this time no Jobs to save the world.

Not hard to understand why Apple needs to do this kind of cheap shot now to force more people to get new iphones. iphones is the only real product they have and all other Apple stuff base on the relationship with iphone. Without iphone Apple is nothing.

Wasn’t aware Apple out out numbers for the sales of the X. Or are you latching on to small, no name, analysts? We don’t know what the sales are, some analysts say the X is selling well and some are saying it isn’t. 22-24 million units isn’t anything to scoff at, which is what one analyst is predicting. And that’s just for the X.
 
If so, and your device runs without crashing, that proves that your device was throttled by the manufacturer (below what it could do if the default OS settings used something closer to your overclocked settings.)

What are you talking about? The device is sold stating its clock speeds that it runs at.we all know it will hit 2.3ghz depending on thermal conditions.

When you overclock you need to aoid the warranty and install a custom kernel and the phone tells you 100% your warranty is voided.

It' not as simple as you make it out to be.you need to raise CPU and GPU voltages and raise thermal governors and also raise memory controller voltage and the phone runs about 40% hotter and it does crash from time to time.its a tinker thing and not what the cell was made to do.

Like to get max clocks we benchmark the phone in the freezer while overclocked.

Samsung is disclosing its rated speeds and you can easily see them .apple is lowering its speeds with an iOS update and you are not getting what you paid for
 
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Batteries don't degrade in a few months and normal people can replace them if they do now that Apple has educated its customers.

I'm glad Apple supports their devices after sale and doesn't allow them to randomly shut down like my Note did for years. Did Samsung tell me a battery replacement was necessary? Did they update the software to fix the issue? No, I got no support.

To say that this happens after months of ownership just proves your fundamental misunderstanding of the facts or your extreme bias toward the Company. Either way, you're just noise.

Seriously that's why Apple would make up all kind of lies since there are always die hard fan like you
 
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Seriously that's why Apple would make up all kind of lies since there are always die hard fan like you
Apple isn't lying. Just ignore the facts and stay in a hole.
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LOL not really for now. Iphone X sales is pretty bad. Iphone 7 sales is strong now you know people don't think it worth it at all to buy expensive 8 or X. Even for the first month of X, 8 sales is better than X. Apple is going down like it did but this time no Jobs to save the world.

Not hard to understand why Apple needs to do this kind of cheap shot now to force more people to get new iphones. iphones is the only real product they have and all other Apple stuff base on the relationship with iphone. Without iphone Apple is nothing.
Who gave you the iPhone X sales figures?
 
Apple isn't lying. Just ignore the facts and stay in a hole.

Just like their faceid fail to work on the stage, and they made another beautiful lie. Remember Apple didn't want to tell you this until someone found it out in Reddit. Apple was just forced to make another lie.
 
Just like their faceid fail to work on the stage, and they made another beautiful lie. Remember Apple didn't want to tell you this until someone found it out in Reddit. Apple was just forced to make another lie.
Sigh. FaceID performed as designed and the failure was the stage hands handling the phone.

Should Apple have been more transparent on power management? Maybe, but it doesn't make their decision wrong or illegal.
 
Just like their faceid fail to work on the stage, and they made another beautiful lie. Remember Apple didn't want to tell you this until someone found it out in Reddit. Apple was just forced to make another lie.

Have you actually used FaceID to know how well it works?
 
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