Well, I’ve had to replace its battery, too, so maybe not a good argument...lol.
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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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Well, I’ve had to replace its battery, too, so maybe not a good argument...lol.
i don't know why there is even a discussion about this?! if it's such a great feature just add it to iOS when a new version comes out and also enable it for the newest device... but they don't! they decide that every new phone should be fast no matter how bad the battery is but then suddenly after 1 year they add the super cool power management "feature" to slow down devices with "bad" batteries. also without actually telling the customer that they're adding it.
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Judging from the obvious cap on their intelligence and common sense, I’d say these two are candidates for a Darwin Award in the future.
The universe will take care of it.
The Stefan Bogdanovich Blues Explosion!
Dakota and the Speas!
Great band names actually!
Nope, Apple devices are throttled for many reasons. One is because they cannot handle the thermal load of the CPUs running at full speed. They run full speed for a short while, so they can pass industry benchmarks, but otherwise don't expect to use an Apple device for anything requiring a full speed CPU.
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Wait, so designing a battery that's able to produce a certain voltage at a certain degradation isn't how "physics" works? It's pretty much exactly how it works.
Well please explain how every other phone manufacturer manages it then.
This has already been explained in post #935
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You mean, exactly like turbo boost on intel laptops?
I bet that's apple's fault too.
Or actually read the agreement instead of just mashing a button and going back to sipping on a latte.
39 pages in.....can anyone point to where this “one year” nonsense started?
I‘m amazed how apologetic people get and how biased this article is. So Apple gave an explanation/excuse after it was discovered that old phones get slower after software updates and everybody instantly accepts and defends that.
To stay with the car metaphors, if a cop came to one‘s car asking „your back is quite low and there’s blood on the lid, do you transport a dead body in your trunk?“ would the accused say „oh yeah sure you‘re right“ or make up an explanation? At this point it’s statement vs statement and Apple could be right with their explanation or making up bs to cover up planned obsolence. We don’t know for certain. It could also be both, adressing an issue with some old phones while making whole generations worse to drive customers to new devices.
I‘m surprised they acknowledged the method but I‘m not surprised they do this and I doubt this only affects models from 6S up.
To stay with the car metaphors, if a cop came to one‘s car asking „your back is quite low and there’s blood on the lid, do you transport a dead body in your trunk?“ would the accused say „oh yeah sure you‘re right“ or make up an explanation? At this point it’s statement vs statement and Apple could be right with their explanation or making up bs to cover up planned obsolence. We don’t know for certain. It could also be both, adressing an issue with some old phones while making whole generations worse to drive customers to new devices.
I‘m surprised they acknowledged the method but I‘m not surprised they do this and I doubt this only affects models from 6S up.
You have totally missed the point...
The best thing that that could happen is Apple makes it a user option under settings and replaces every bad battery free of charge.
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There is a big difference between running faster than the quoted speed for short periods (turbo boost) and running slower than quoted speed for very long periods with throttling.
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We are talking about phones not luxury electronic cars. Stay on topic.
Android down clocks their devices 50%. And this has been news since Feb when 10.2.1 came out as Apple never hid this. They even did an interview about it with Tech Crunch.
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Ohh really? Tell that to these people on Android Central. They are literally complaining about their device's CPU being throttled too much all the way back in 2015. I call BS.
Gosh, I’m sorry you’re confused. Let me help. You said, “No product that relies on a heavily used battery will fulfil (sic) its original specifications after a year of use.” You intentionally used an extremely broad statement to make a point. Otherwise you would have said, “No phone will fulfill its original specifications after a year of use”.
Guess what? A Tesla car is a product that relies heavily on a battery. It is an example that is very relevant to your argument. It is very possible to create something with a battery that lasts. That’s the point. It frankly doesn’t even matter that much what the power is being drawn for anyway.
By the way, I would argue an $800 phone is more of a luxury item, relative to its substitutes, than a Tesla.
So, doesn't this mean that Apple's explanation for throttling is ********? If it's required for devices with degraded batteries, and the battery is replaced, throttling should go away. If they are throttling based on age, not battery performance, then they're still lying. It also means that everyone paying for battery replacement is getting screwed for a second time.
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Thermal throttling makes sense as a safety feature; throttling to disguise an ailing battery is completely different. One benefits the consumer and one doesn't.
We are talking about phones not luxury electronic cars. Stay on topic.
Android down clocks their devices 50%. And this has been news since Feb when 10.2.1 came out as Apple never hid this. They even did an interview about it with Tech Crunch.
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Ohh really? Tell that to these people on Android Central. They are literally complaining about their device's CPU being throttled too much all the way back in 2015. I call BS.
Hmmm, if anything your link says iOS 10.2.1 reduced unexpected shutdown by 80%. Nothing about Android. I wonder what happened to the 20%? Are they left cold? Did Apple offer refund or any kind of remediation for those users?
If you buy a new car you have to maintain it regularly to ensure it runs as new for next years.
With the phone it is impossible - on one hand, I understand apple to rather provide same battery life time (or similar) with lower performance , on there hand, they should at least inform us about it or leave an option in menu to choose performance or battery life
Is this behaviors is unethical? Perhaps. But what about OnePlus collecting user data for years? It was more unethical but no one was really care about it privacy or because it was a tiny firm from China.
With the phone it is impossible - on one hand, I understand apple to rather provide same battery life time (or similar) with lower performance , on there hand, they should at least inform us about it or leave an option in menu to choose performance or battery life
Is this behaviors is unethical? Perhaps. But what about OnePlus collecting user data for years? It was more unethical but no one was really care about it privacy or because it was a tiny firm from China.
No they don't need to replace any batteries, don't "manage" for users. Just like all other battery operated devices, if the divice crashes because of crappy battery, owner will go get a replacement battery with their money.
Now by "managing" deliberately through software, Apple allegedly at fault.
There are brand new iPhone 6 phones are being sold at Best Buy, Target, Walmart along with all cellular service providers.
So the OLD battery theory has no legal ground, if brand new iPhone 6 is throttled.
Turbo boost is fully disclosed and on the spec sheet. Apple OTOH? I used to have a great deal of admiration for Apple chip designers for almost making the impossible happen with such small power draws. But now it seems that emperor has no clothes - they would just juice up the processor to clear benchmarks when batteries are new.
So could you refer me to the specific part of their statement where they even remotely imply they will be inhibiting the performance/functionality of the end user's device? Maybe my reading comprehension is spotty, but I've read that article - and Apple's statement within it - several times and the way Apple frames the issue, there is little to no cost for their "fine tuning". The way they paint it, it could have been solved by something like better manipulating the VRMs (with updated firmware) to provide a stabilised power flow at no reduction to the performance/functionality.
The most that occurs in that article is the writer makes speculation on what Apple could have done. Apple's statement - the part formatted differently than the rest of the piece - gives no such clarification. A journalist's speculation and best estimate in no way count as Apple issuing any of that information, and that still leaves a large potential for culpability. Apple would have had to make that part of their statement for it to even be remotely arguable, and they didn't. Apple cannot claim a non-employee's industry speculation in any sort of legal defense.
What I see looking at that is Apple succumbing to an attractive conflict of interest and failing to express due diligence. Whether that was malicious or not, they still caused harm to many end users (in the form of unnecessary and expensive upgrades) while simultaneously benefitting from that harm. The lawsuit has legitimate grounds for remuneration without Mens Rea (even in a civil sense), and that's ignoring all the potential satellite issues regarding their motive should intentional wrongdoing be found.
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FINALLY! I am so glad Apple is being sued for this. I really hope Apple loses this battle. Why are they so A*** about pushing firmware update pop ups so often. Fine, if the previous firmware update has a security risk, I AM GOOD WITH THAT AND I TOTALLY TAKE THE BLAME ON MYSELF, SHOULD ANYONE HACK INTO MY PHONE! Why can't I downgrade to an earlier firmware? Why is there no option to switch off OTA Software updates.
All this is purely done to keep jailbreakers at bay. I also realized that whenever a customer goes for any sort of repair, Apple employees upgrade the phone to the latest firmware even though it is not necessary in most cases. I got my battery replaced from a 3rd party shop, I did not have to update to the dreadful iOS 11 on my iPhone 6 because it slows down the phone, not to mention the initial version has SO MANY bugs! And my brother went in for the same for his 6S, paid the out of warranty charge and was forcefully updated to iOS 11. I can understand if there is a hardware defect with the mobo or flash drives, but a factory reset for a battery replacement??! Totally unethical!
Have been buying iPhones since the time they launched back in 2007, but I guess I am going to go the Android way soon. I f***ing hate iTunes!
All this is purely done to keep jailbreakers at bay. I also realized that whenever a customer goes for any sort of repair, Apple employees upgrade the phone to the latest firmware even though it is not necessary in most cases. I got my battery replaced from a 3rd party shop, I did not have to update to the dreadful iOS 11 on my iPhone 6 because it slows down the phone, not to mention the initial version has SO MANY bugs! And my brother went in for the same for his 6S, paid the out of warranty charge and was forcefully updated to iOS 11. I can understand if there is a hardware defect with the mobo or flash drives, but a factory reset for a battery replacement??! Totally unethical!
Have been buying iPhones since the time they launched back in 2007, but I guess I am going to go the Android way soon. I f***ing hate iTunes!
The iPhone event next year...
It's about time your current device slowing down (we know that. We introduce a feature to do just that). So look, here is a brand new iPhone to get you out of your misery and cost just $1000.
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It's about time your current device slowing down (we know that. We introduce a feature to do just that). So look, here is a brand new iPhone to get you out of your misery and cost just $1000.
BUY BUY BUY!
Other companies can manage it, so can Apple. Rice manager Timmy and his fat americans an handle it.