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So your okay that a car company changes the horsepower of your car without you knowing?

The CPU is very analogous to the HP of a car, its what drives your device..

A car analogy! I like this one, too, because it lets me point out that most cars actually do change their performance characteristics when necessary, based on the operating conditions: when the engine is very cold, or getting too hot, or a different type of fuel is used, or a load is being towed. The idea is to keep the car moving as well as possible, given the circumstances.

If I punch the accelerator in the summer, my air conditioning cuts out to give me more power. And nothing pops up on my dashboard to tell me it's happening! "RAAAWR I MUST SUE TEH MANUFACTURAR/ I DID NOT CONSENT TO TEMPORARY WARM AIR!!!!111one"

The difference here is that, while the warm air is very noticeable, most iOS device "throttling" is not. As far as I've seen, any quantifiable impact on performance has been measured using a tool like GeekBench. The thing is, benchmarking tools are designed to peg the CPU to its maximum, which is where iOS begins limiting performance: when the CPU spikes and could cause an power cut. In real-world usage, you're not going to peg the processor that often, and you won't see a significant reduction in day-to-day performance. This is important because anyone seeking to win damages from Apple is going to need to prove that there was a significant impact to real-world performance to the point of harm or disability.

Regardless of the outcome, Apple, for their part, should expand the status in the "Battery" section of the Settings app to remove the ambiguity. They should inform the user how often the processor is being limited, including a trend indication of some kind, and translate that into plain messaging about how much that's actually likely to impact their usage. If the impact is significant, they should also let the user know that they can replace the battery to address the issue.
 
Sorry, but two years is long enough to keep an iPhone. Time to upgrade to a newer iPhone. I recommend the iPhone X with 256GB. It's quite a bargain for $1,150 and fast as all get-out. Get with the notch. Tim Cook gives you his best regards for being a loyal customer.
Apparently Apple was hired some people to preach the Apple way. Tim gives his thanks for spending your hard earned money on crippled phones. See it Works both ways.
 
Lighter current draw equals longer battery life.

Apple only charges $79 to do a battery replacement, INCLUDING the cost of the battery.
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Macbook and iPads have 1000 cycle rating. Macbooks used to have 300 cycle ratings, until the switch in 2010 I believe. Better cells exist. Samsung just did the change on their S8 & Note 8 after the Note 7 debacle. 95% health after 500 cycles now. Look it up.

With regards to the replacement. Have you actually tried that? I have. It doesn't work unless they think it's defective. 'Normal' wear and tear won't trigger them to let you pay money to replace it. Even though it has gotten to the point where the battery doesn't last nearly long enough for you.
 
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Lol. Choice number 1 is to let them shut down randomly, possibly during a call to 911. Choice 2 was to throttle it to prevent shutdown and extend the life of the phone until service or upgrade could occur. Yes, they should have been more transparent. However, any objective observer would say option 2 is far safer and better for everyone.
 
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So your okay that a car company changes the horsepower of your car without you knowing?

The CPU is very analogous to the HP of a car, its what drives your device..

Cars change their HP output ALL THE TIME. It will be reduced for any number of reasons:

- Poor quality fuel/low octane causes retardation of ignition timing, and in turbo charged engines reduced boost (reduced power).
- If your engine has not warmed up (or is very hot) HP will be reduced until the temperature is within “normal” range.
- If you have a turbocharged car with a water-air intercooler, and have been driving aggressively enough to warm the water up, power will be reduced until the water temperature has cooled off.
- If you have an automatic (or dual clutch) transmission and have been driving aggressively (fluid temperature is high), the engine will reduce power until the fluid temperature drops.
- Worn transmission? Reduced engine power to prolong transmission life.
- Fuel injectors not flowing as good as they were when your car was new? Reduced power. Fuel pump not generating the same pressure/flow? Reduced power.


I’ve only listed a few of the many ways your engine power could be reduced. You should have picked a better analogy.
 
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A car analogy! It's a good one, because many (if not most) cars actually do change their performance characteristics when necessary, based on the operating conditions. When the engine is very cold, or getting too hot, or a different type of fuel is used, or a load is being towed. The idea is to keep the car moving as well as possible, given the circumstances.

Hmmm is this like when a car shifts to another gear once you reach a certain amount of RPMS?
 
That is true. However, in the link provided, Apple defines x,y, and z and users agree by installing.

If a customer is not going to take the time to read what he or she is agreeing to before buying a product or updating a product via the manufacturer, I believe he or she should look in the mirror first, and put blame where blame rightly belongs, instead of always looking to blame someone else.

Apple not acting in a manner equitable to expectations of MR regulars does not necessarily constitute fraud on Apple's part.

You’re not implying some level of personal responsibility, are you?

This is America!
 
Thats what has been shown so far.

I know of friends who IOS has been laggy with Iphone 4S and 5 when the OS updates. Was it all Battery? We shall see.


Im not tied to Samsung so I guess the convo can end here...

I just hope your bad samsung experience hasn't left a bad taste for the android system.

Oh no, Android is a great OS. It makes up for iOS' flaws like innovation concerns and relying on ironclad software like iTunes. I enjoy having a full-fledged file system, easy to create ringtones, predictive dialing, more affordable hardware, and a better AI assistant.

For my next phone, I think I would consider the Google Pixel 3 at the time, like in 2019. I currently share a Nexus 5X as an older phone in case of my family member's phone has hardware or software issues requiring warranty support. Right now, I just keep it up to date software wise and use it to experience Android.
 
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The real problem here is not the software change to lower voltage & clock speed.

The real problem is the inherent design defect in the iPhone 6 itself whereby the CPU requires voltages that an even slightly degraded battery can no longer supply. THIS is the problem Apple should be held accountable for.

My iPhone 6 had this problem from day 1, shutting down in the cold with 80% battery. It no longer shuts down randomly like it did for years, but it is now unusably slow. The phone's design was defective from the day it shipped. Everything after that is merely mitigation of this design defect.

I wonder if this defect has been fixed in newer iPhones (8/8+/X). If not, I'm definitely delaying the upgrade from my current 7+. It's still on 10.3.3, and it's looking like I'll have to keep it there if I don't want to be throttled.
 
I'm curious, how do other manufacturers deal with this? All lithium-ion batteries go bad eventually. This isn't just an Apple problem.
 
About time. What they are doing is highly unethical. Their involvement with my property stops after payment.

Looks like you've never read a license agreement. They'll always have a hand in the OS which you electronically signed an agreement to use, the OS is not your property but the physical hardware is. However the software controls your property of course. Its barely yours.
 
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I'm curious, how do other manufacturers deal with this? All lithium-ion batteries go bad eventually. This isn't just an Apple problem.

Some of them underclock their ARM processors to draw less power than the batteries can supply when new. That's one reason Android phones have slower single-core performance (their entire life, not just when the batteries age).
 
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If what Apple says is true - wouldn't this mean this happen in all smartphones. Wondering what Android phones do? Do they just clock down their phones to begin with? Do they have some sort of hardware that modulates the battery that an iPhone doesn't have?
 
No, it was perfect. It matches the scenario exactly, and demonstrates exactly why Apple is doing the right thing. If anything, they just need a "check engine" light.
At a minimum.

Apple also benefited from those trading in their "car" for the latest model, because the old "car" was just too sluggish getting in and out of traffic. Those folks took their "car" into the dealership saying the "car" felt sluggish and/or crapped out going into and out of traffic, at which point the service center said "We checked against the diagnostic tool and everything checks out A-OK, nothing wrong".

But misleading the "car" owner that way, isn't an issue, right?
 
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Is it any better that Apple manipulate your equipment without you knowing? We are in a connected world, Google, Uber, Amazon....and Apple; everyone collects data from us all of the time, yep google perhaps more overtly and it is easier to understand in their business model,why, but trust me they are all at it. Dont want to be snooped on, get off the internet, give up social media, stop using credit cards, stop connecting to free wifi.........
So, I am genuinely interested in why I should buy Android and trust Google. Is your argument: "Everybody's at it, might as well not worry about it?"
 
Apple collects information. The government collects information. How's Google any different? Hell Microsoft Windows 10 collects a crap load of information.
I'm not on Windows 10. F that, lol.

The government.... is different. Google wants to sell my data to company's so they can "deliver a better advertising experience". Really? I don't want ANY advertising experience, so I turn off advertising trackers, etc., as much as I can (through Adguard, using an apple products when I can afford it, not using Android... which, was the reason for my question about why trust Google.)
 
I'm curious, how do other manufacturers deal with this? All lithium-ion batteries go bad eventually. This isn't just an Apple problem.

If the battery goes bad outside of warranty, then manufacturers should do nothing. Not their problem. If under warranty, they need to replace.
 
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