Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]

[mmm1345]

(1). There is no public API in iOS or ARM user mode instruction that reports the actual processor clock frequency.
(2). The Apple admission says nothing about clock frequency. Go back and read it.

So, yes, possibly fake.

That's how the issue was discovered! I hate this new culture where nothing can be debated because people want to ignore basic FACTS because they don't conform to their worldview. "Water is wet," "No it isn't it's FROZEN!"

FACT is these companies make money by being reliable system performance analysis tools. It's what they are in the business for. They have ZERO reason or incentive to ruin their credibility and business by making results up. If you want to argue that people reporting their findings are making up stuff and doctoring images, then fine. But the tools are the tools and it's what they are designed to do. I don't know how they work, neither do you, but if that's what they are known for and have a solid reputation, there's NO reason to believe they'd suddenly make stuff up.

 

[opfreak]

The new iphone is the fastest phone ever*




*For about a year. After that your on your own.

 

[mmm1345]

Its amusing how some are ok with apple doing this.

If this was Samsung heads would be rolling

People are still making stupid exploding jokes. But this is perfectly acceptable.

 

[firewood]

FACT is these companies make money by being reliable system performance analysis tools. It's what they are in the business for. They have ZERO reason or incentive to ruin their credibility and business by making results up.

They are making a mint from their rise in the Paid App rankings yesterday. One of them used to be free a few days ago, and now isn’t. Why? A rumor of a some hypothetical or misconstrued clock slow down would be very beneficial to their revenue as paid apps.

 

[mmm1345]

They are making a mint from their rise in the Paid App rankings yesterday. One of them used to be free a few days ago, and now isn’t. Why? A rumor of a some hypothetical or misconstrued clock slow down would be very beneficial to their revenue as paid apps.

just stop. really. just. stop.

 

[skinned66]

It's kind of funny...about a week ago I posted my battery stats somewhere here on MR and said I hadn't noticed any issue with my 6S with my health rounded up to 78% or so. I saved my history after that. 3 days later...I started noticing an issue...I wanted to see how much my battery degraded if anything. Boy was I surprised - a precipitous decline after 3 more cycles.

Looks like i need a new battery

 

[trifid]

The new iphone is the fastest phone ever*




*For about a year. After that your on your own.

That's so ironic, every year that Apple introduces a new iPhone they say it's extremely fast in some cases we see comparisons to being as fast a Macbook. Yet after 1-2 years with a new iOS update, the phone starts stuttering, choking etc. Macbooks in the meantime work amazing for 5-10 years.

 

[mmm1345]

It's kind of funny...about a week ago I posted my battery stats somewhere here on MR and said I hadn't noticed any issue with my 6S with my health rounded up to 78% or so. I saved my history after that. 3 days later...I started noticing an issue...I wanted to see how much my battery degraded if anything. Boy was I surprised - a precipitous decline after 3 more cycles.

Looks like i need a new battery

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what app did you use? two months ago, I tried a couple and none of them seemed to work which is why I took it to the apple store and was told I had "nothing" to worry about and that yeah, my phone was just old.

 

[TheTruth101]

Simple. dont upgrade the software.

Of course Apple could implement a "Turn of battery management" switch, then all the complainers can complain their iphones shut down instead.

Apple makes you upgrade the software. I just did a back up of my iPhone 5 and to transfer the data to my iPhone X I had to upgrade the software. And the reason I had to leave my iPhone 5 is just because of Apple sabotaging with the issue in question.

Apple is always asking you to update if not certain apps will not work. For example, why do I need to update my iOS to run Yahoo? So I can not check my email? It is Yahoo like 3D or what?

Just to sell you more phones.

 

[skinned66]

what app did you use? two months ago, I tried a couple and none of them seemed to work which is why I took it to the apple store and was told I had "nothing" to worry about and that yeah, my phone was just old.

Coconut Battery.

It's more accurate than iOS solutions.

 

[UL2RA]

That's so ironic, every year that Apple introduces a new iPhone they say it's extremely fast in some cases we see comparisons to being as fast a Macbook. Yet after 1-2 years with a new iOS update, the phone starts stuttering, choking etc. Macbooks in the meantime work amazing for 5-10 years.

And now we know why.
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Apple makes you upgrade the software. I just did a back up of my iPhone 5 and to transfer the data to my iPhone X I had to upgrade the software. And the reason I had to leave my iPhone 5 is just because of Apple sabotaging with the issue in question.

Apple is always asking you to update if not certain apps will not work. For example, why do I need to update my iOS to run Yahoo? So I can not check my email? It is Yahoo like 3D or what?

Just to sell you more phones.

It’s entirely up to the app developer how far back they want their app to support.

 

[firewood]

Apple is always asking you to update if not certain apps will not work. For example, why do I need to update my iOS to run Yahoo? So I can not check my email? It is Yahoo like 3D or what?

Just to sell you more phones.

Whether or not to allow an iPhone with an older OS to download an older version of an app is up to each app developer. So that decision was up to Yahoo. Maybe Yahoo wants to sell more iPhones???

 

[linkboy]

They are making a mint from their rise in the Paid App rankings yesterday. One of them used to be free a few days ago, and now isn’t. Why? A rumor of a some hypothetical or misconstrued clock slow down would be very beneficial to their revenue as paid apps.

If it was a rumor, Apple wouldn't have confirmed it as being true.

 

[Piggie]

Irrespective of any of this, it MUST make everyone wonder about iPhone Performance.

Given the Apple as so very very proud of saying how fast the new model is *

( * when fitted with a brand new battery)

It must be of interest to everyone, by how much this "Class Leading" performance drops off, and over what timescale.

If we are thinking all makes/brands are the same. Let's get some benchmark/test/user experience text sites to put this to the test for us.

Testing out say 1 and 2 year models to new models, also against different makes.

 

[Smeaton1724]

Simple solution, give people an option in the settings.

- Normal mode - battery life reduces over time, no underclocking or performance reducing.
- Experience mode - the one Apple wants you to have, I.e the status quo as per iOS 11 etc

 

[2807]

Can someone PLEASE post a video?

It would be nice if someone post side by side video of a throttled phone and a not-throttled phone so that the world can see the difference.

Imagine... all this drama over a nearly imperceptible reality.

The geek bench math is irrelevant to me if the user experience is hardly changed.

 

[firewood]

If it was a rumor, Apple wouldn't have confirmed it as being true.

You misread what Apple confirmed. Try to find anything they said about CPU clock frequency. There are no such words from Apple.

People seem to conclude that a possibly made-up number displayed by some apps is a confirmation from Apple.

 

[justperry]

From a user who is ignorant of the insides of an iPhone; my iPhone 6S is a great device and can do all the tasks I need, yet I’ve been resisting to to buy a new device for several months due to it being completely unuseable. I can’t take one photo without losing 5-10% of battery, 15 minutes of usage and Ill see the battery drop from 100-50%. Tasks which once took milliseconds, now take several seconds, and I have just regular simple Apps, nothing heavy. I do think I’ve been deceived...and I’m almost £1k out of pocket for wanting to purchase the X which I’m told by Apple is faster, more reliable.

Don't know if you aware of the iPhone 6S battery, you can check your iPhone 6S serial number here.

https://www.apple.com/support/iphone6s-unexpectedshutdown/

 

[Altis]

They are making a mint from their rise in the Paid App rankings yesterday. One of them used to be free a few days ago, and now isn’t. Why? A rumor of a some hypothetical or misconstrued clock slow down would be very beneficial to their revenue as paid apps.

It's too bad people have to resort to a third-party app to figure out what Apple's done to their device.

It's the only way to know if you're being throttled and should buy a new battery. Apple's own techs will tell you it's "Healthy" and won't replace it if it's over 80%, yet throttling begins well above that.

 

[firewood]

It's the only way to know if you're being throttled and should buy a new battery.

So are you claiming that these possibly made-up clock frequency numbers are in cahoots with battery replacement shops to bring them more business? That’s a very interesting new conspiracy theory.

 

[jujufreeze]

Here's a more radical idea than a Minne Mouse Watchface: Keep the next iphone's thickness the same with a bigger battery. Crazy I know. Ive would have me thrown out the airlock on his new spaceship

 

[Altis]

So are you claiming that these possibly made-up clock frequency numbers are in cahoots with battery replacement shops to bring them more business? That’s a very interesting new conspiracy theory.

Not even remotely what I said. You really manage to take people's posts somewhere completely different... Must be a developer thing

I'm saying people want to know how their devices are running. Now that it's come out that Apple can be throttling based on battery health, people are interested if their device is affected and to what extent. Perhaps they "need" a new battery to restore device performance.

("Need" is in quotes because Apple begins the throttling well into the "Healthy" battery status)

 

[vooke]

Apple MUST pay for forced upgrades

 

[Act3]

If I run 4K Final Cut render on my brand new 15" MBP with 30% battery life what do you think happens? It throttles, because battery cannot provide juice CPU and GPU is asking for. Since when this is news? And that is NEW battery, but it is a problem if Apple limits CPU speed of your old device so that you can still use the device and receive messages, calls till the time you replace the battery.

so a battery shouldn't just last less under a higher load? Just throttle down the CPU to maintain? Sounds more like a design issue to me even more so than bad batch of batteries. I think it is the other way around with computers, they throttle down the clocks when idle to conserve energy, and the kick it up when the power is needed.

 

[vooke]

If I run 4K Final Cut render on my brand new 15" MBP with 30% battery life what do you think happens? It throttles, because battery cannot provide juice CPU and GPU is asking for. Since when this is news? And that is NEW battery, but it is a problem if Apple limits CPU speed of your old device so that you can still use the device and receive messages, calls till the time you replace the battery.

And it only happens if their software update determines that your battery has really degraded too much which depends on your usage and conditions the battery is used in. My 6S Plus is fine, i have tested.

But we are talking about social media. There is no need to be correct these days only to be first.

How about warning the user of the imminent shutdown due to power challenge