That’s the thing. Every design needs to balance the requirements from competing groups. The design team has an idea of how the phone will look. SW ideally wants more processing capabilities and also longer battery life. HW needs to stuff everything to fit into design dimensions. The final design will have all kinds of trade offs. Apple has decided that they can work with smaller battery capacities.
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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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That’s the thing. Every design needs to balance the requirements from competing groups. The design team has an idea of how the phone will look. SW ideally wants more processing capabilities and also longer battery life. HW needs to stuff everything to fit into design dimensions. The final design will have all kinds of trade offs. Apple has decided that they can work with smaller battery capacities.
I was more explaining how Samsung can put a bigger battery than saying whether it was right or wrong.
They are not forced. But old iOSes are not updated. People want to upgrade, and as long as their batteries are in good shape, they’re good. But then, my old iPhone 6 is going into its fourth year, running 11.2. After three years, the battery went bonkers. That’s much better battery life than the 5, whose battery went nuts after a year in a half. I wish the OS 5hen had had a slowdown mechanism for that one.
I don't think Apple or any developers intentionally do crap like this. I think they just focus on the next thing and do minimal testing to make sure their "next" big thing works with their old big thing. The code for these products are usually never really tracked well or if an old code base is holding the new one back they'll always choose the new code. The issue is even though they are aware of the "bug" they don't communicate the downsides to upgrading.
Yeah! Doesn’t Apple understand the right to ignorance and bad products?
How about reading the "ambient Air" excuse instead? https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...-causing-batteries-to-degrade-faster.2019187/
Can you please provide a link to those 10.2.1 release notes? Google spits out a lot of speculation articles and some Apple support item. But none in the 1st 10 pages, actually spits out the actual release notes, other than a summary of the security features.
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What bugs me most about this whole thing is that Apple forbids installing older IOS versions that are better suited to older iPhone. There's no way that isn't deliberate and adversely affecting a lot of iPhones. 
Or, for those with repair skills, about $15 for a part. Wife's 6 showed at 60% max capacity, and was noticeable slower than a month or two ago. Its worth the $15 to find out.
Oh yeah, my 74 year old mother will surely get right one that.
Be realistic, about 0.01% of those who own iPhone can actually do that, please stop acting like it's a viable option. You can do it, congrats. You are not the norm.
It is a lose-lose for apple.
A) leave the battery and cpu management as it is= a very peeved buying public.
B) Change it to highlight battery status abd CPU throttling = opening the curtain to just how bad iphone batteries are.
I'll be doing my iPhone myself but the iPad looks like a giant pain in the ass. I'm debating replacing the battery or just buying an android tablet for $150 that suits my needs just fine and then some. It's only $50 more than Apple's price for a device that's 4 years old and runs like oatmeal.
No...I'd rather that I get a notification that tells me the battery is degraded and that recommends that I replace it.
Seriously?
And what if Apple knowing the iPod is a 9 year old model secretly modifies it to only store one song. And because most people don't change the battery, you're stuck with the one song limit even if you replace the battery.
Nobody is complaining that batteries fail. The problem is Apple secretly and deliberately crippling the previous model of phone. It doesn't matter what excuse they give, it's not acceptable behavior.
I can just see how great that would have gone. A lawsuit about how Apple is trying to make people pay for battery replacements and a thousand articles and threads about how Apple is greedy and should just do it for free.
Not to mention that most people can’t reasonably take their phone somewhere and leave it for a week even if they have a repair place close. You’re lucky if you can.
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And it isn’t always a good idea. Why do you think user replaceable batteries are going away as a concept of high end phones?
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People shouldn’t have to make that choice. That’s why people pay big money for their phones. People don’t want to have to think about that sort of thing.
Just about every electronic battery powered device I've owned for more than 2 years has needed a new battery. I don't ever recall blaming the company or hearing about lawsuits. Every car I've ever owned has needed a new battery at some point too. I don't seem to recall people complaining about that either.
Batteries are consumables, they get used up, they get replaced. Unless you drink the Apple kool-aid. Then the whole device is a consumable that gets used up and tossed out in 2 years for the glory and profit of Apple. Isn't it time for another press release from Apple about how good they are for the environment?
Of all the bad analogies, this is the worst.
Can someone who truly knows let us understand what makes the iOS 11 throttling algorithm kick into action? I've heard that it kicks in whenever batteries on certain models of phones reach an 80% threshold, and I've heard, as you mention above, that it kicks in anyway if the phone is of a certain model. Not saying whether the throttling at 80% is agreeable, but if it occurs regardless of the battery's health on models 6, 6s, 7, and their "plus" versions, that is broken. Perhaps Apple will eventually answer this definitively.
Incidentally, does Apple continue to manufacture truly new batteries for these phones, or are they just selling you an unused battery that has been sitting on the shelf for a year or more? If they no longer produce new batteries, then the ones they sell you could easily be degraded over that length of time.
I guess I'm a bit more realistic about what to expect from batteries. They don't last forever and they degrade over time. I've not seen any that haven't degraded in one solid year of use. The issue, IMHO, is that Apple's expectations of (iPhone) performance were based upon a new battery (or one that is still working like new). They miscalculated and realized that "pushing the envelope", so to speak, would not work after about a year of battery use. They did what they could to mitigate the issue.
That still doesn't really answer the critics who justifiably say that Apple was hiding this.
But I look at this from a slightly different perspective: You spent $800 for an iPhone and you need a new battery so head over to the mall and buy one from one of those "We Fix" kiosks at half-price, installed (or, now, demand that Apple replace yours if it's still under AppleCare). There should be an app fairly soon that will provide proof that the battery is "underperforming".
There's another perspective: You spent what? on a phone???? And you expect the battery to last how long??? The technology for the battery you want doesn't exist (affordably) yet. Buy an Android phone for $120 with those Amazon lockscreen ads and replace it every year with a new one.
That still doesn't really answer the critics who justifiably say that Apple was hiding this.
But I look at this from a slightly different perspective: You spent $800 for an iPhone and you need a new battery so head over to the mall and buy one from one of those "We Fix" kiosks at half-price, installed (or, now, demand that Apple replace yours if it's still under AppleCare). There should be an app fairly soon that will provide proof that the battery is "underperforming".
There's another perspective: You spent what? on a phone???? And you expect the battery to last how long??? The technology for the battery you want doesn't exist (affordably) yet. Buy an Android phone for $120 with those Amazon lockscreen ads and replace it every year with a new one.
PSP - li-ion battery must be 10 years, still original battery and working fine
W800i phone - over 10 years old. Battery working ok Charged every week
MacBook Pro (mid 2009) - changed battery after it started to act up. After 7 years!
iPhone 4 - original battery still working as it did
my iPhone 5s. Original battery, still working ok (I use it every day)
It can't be a coincidence everything I have with li-ion battery works fine after 5 years!
I can see having 4-5s phones becoming outdated, such that they can't keep up with iOS advancements but the reports of owners of iPhone 6 having very adverse effects to iOS updates is pretty lame. So, we just landfill millions of phones after two years? No thanks.
User replaceable batteries are going away because the companies would rather sell a new $1000 phone than a new $80 battery. There is zero benefit for the consumer. It's all about maximizing profits to screw the customer.
Wow. I am so glad we don't live in the world you think we do, but I suspect you'd be right at home in North Korea.
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It depends how you use it. Now that you mention it, my iPad 4 is going strong too on iOS 6. I've gone through about 1 battery cycle per month average since it was new Li-ion batteries generally give you the expected life almost like clockwork and that's generally about 2 years on average for me for most things.