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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]
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Show me the code actually pulled from a phone. Show me data that shows android phones permanently down clocked.
I don't think you know what that code is saying.
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We have proof, you have nothing.
So I showed you the commit where it says it mitigates CPU frequency based on current load thresholds and you’re still in denial? And people say Apple fans are blind.
Exactly - this is such a myth. And they’re NEVER able to provide proof. It’s just such a laughable premise.
It’s astounding isn’t it?
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You’ve gone above and beyond in showing the primary source (the friggin code and commits themselves!) and the guy doesn’t believe what is literally in front of him. Crazy.
That's what I suspect. Something else is going on. Not just power management "smoothing out" peak loads.
Only some older phones. Many report their ancient iPhone 5s runs as fast as when new, even with an old battery and new OS. Benchmarks do not seem to throttling my 1st-day-ordered iPhone 6, original battery.
Assuming normal behavior for a Li-ion battery is a linear degradation in internal impedance during 500 charge cycles till end-of-life at 80% capacity, then a 20%/500 = 0.04% degradation in peak power supply to the CPU after each full charge cycle would be optimal. That way you could get the maximum performance out of the CPU every day for the life of the battery, plus the hours of uptime possible would also stay roughly the same. That's assuming that a thermal limit throttling doesn't occur first on extreme hot or cold days.
But non-linear degradation over each customer's different usage pattern probably doesn't allow that optimum a power management curve. And a flat power setting doesn't allow anywhere near as much performance optimization.
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Sorry, don't have time for games.
"After all you seem to be ok with your phone slowing down. 1% each charge cycle?"
I seem to be OK? You've determined that by me simply asking you to substantiate your claims? Which you haven't done yet with a link. Really? Post a link.
You are comparing apple to oranges. All [good] system regulate performance based on load (for example to avoid overheating). Throttling when the battery capacity drops is just a mitigation of the design flaw.
Just ran a Geekbench on my SE which I bought s/h just over a year old. Ran as it was without clearing the memory or shutting down any apps. It returned readings that were quite a bit higher than the published Geekbench benchmarks!
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it's just not about the speed of the app. it's also about how
the customers were not provided with enough information to
make an informed decision. many customers had their phone
slow down and so thinking it was slow went out to buy a new
iphone. if they knew all they had to do was replace the battery,
they would have got the battery replaced.
Eh?
"Because Apple said so" doesn't work as a foundation for an argument. Especially when said argument is due to what apple have done.
Be carefull there. It is a slippery road.
One minute you are taking "It's all screen!"* at face value, the next minute you are arguing that apple only ever act in your best interests because that is what multi billion dollar tech companies do.....
*lol
We show the proof from what is available and Apple approved. After all , they control the App Store and it’s not good enough??? Lol. Ok. What do you believe ?
And the iPhone is regulating the performance as well. The only difference is that iOS is so CPU bound that we notice it more. No, I’m serious. That’s the issue, iOS isn’t really more efficient than Android in terms of CPU use.
What needs to be sorted out is whether Apple initially started to throttle iPhones in order to:
..cover up sub-par/faulty batteries to avoid battery warranty replacements
..stop recall of phones with sub-par/faulty batteries.
(hardware issue hidden from the user through a software fix)
At the same, Apple, knew of course, that this will encourage users to buy a new iPhone as long as the the users didn't know that replacing the battery would fix the slow down. So they kept the cheap fix hidden from their users until they got caught. Apple at no point indicated that replacing a healthy battery even on a recent phone would fix the problem.
This software technique can be useful of course and Apple could of advertised it as a feature, but they couldn't because the motive was for economic benefits to Apple, resulting in the fact that they had to keep the issue and the cheap fix secret.
..cover up sub-par/faulty batteries to avoid battery warranty replacements
..stop recall of phones with sub-par/faulty batteries.
(hardware issue hidden from the user through a software fix)
At the same, Apple, knew of course, that this will encourage users to buy a new iPhone as long as the the users didn't know that replacing the battery would fix the slow down. So they kept the cheap fix hidden from their users until they got caught. Apple at no point indicated that replacing a healthy battery even on a recent phone would fix the problem.
This software technique can be useful of course and Apple could of advertised it as a feature, but they couldn't because the motive was for economic benefits to Apple, resulting in the fact that they had to keep the issue and the cheap fix secret.
It’s a simple choice really, slow the phone or have it shut off.
As someone who’s phone shut off every. Single. Time. I went for a walk in the winter I’m now happily able to listen to my podcasts on my walks where I couldn’t before.
That’s not “because Apple said so”.
Nobody has an all screen phone.
And I’m not saying whether or not the thing is good or bad that they do. I’m simply saying that I believe companies are lowering CPU speed to deal with battery problems and not some conspiracy against you.
Can you elaborate on that? I’m curious to hear from someone who has shown an ability to actually parse information.
Battery scientist weighs in on this issue, and makes an argument on why what Apple did wasnt all that unreasonable.
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comm..._in_on_this_issue_of/?st=JBMX2S61&sh=34512871
https://www.reddit.com/r/apple/comm..._in_on_this_issue_of/?st=JBMX2S61&sh=34512871
OS has nothing to do with it. It's between CPU and the battery. Processor power management seems to have a design flaw. Larger battery would obviously help too. Ultimately, as a consumer, I don't care what sort of design flaw this is. The phones should be recalled.
good by Apple, keep slowing my remaining devices... I will replace them with a different brand, never again Apple.
In that case I will amend my previous comment; this seems to me to have nothing to do with planned obsolescence, but to be a genuine effort to make people’s older devices last longer. I’ve experienced the issue of my phone going from 40% to dead, and it’s an incredible inconvenience.
There is, however, an issue of transparency that should be addressed. People should be notified when their phone’s battery’s health is so severely degraded that such measures are necessary, so that they will know to replace their battery to improve their phone’s performance. And they should be given a way to turn off this feature. My guess is that that’s the way this will ultimately be resolved and, if they do that, I will consider it satisfactory.
If you mean those benchmarks apps, Apple does not approve apps that report the actual CPU frequency. It's a private API, not available to user mode code, not allowed by Apple's guidelines, thus not legal for App store submission.
Queue the frivolous lawsuits against every Android vendor next week. Whether that code does exactly the same or not, it can be misconstrued by conspiracy theorists just as badly as Apple's statement.
Please tell me you’re being sarcastic? Do you even understand how a battery works? Batteries couldn’t care less about what you consent to. Fact is technology degrades over time and extended usage. That is not apple’s responsibility. You should be glad they even went out of their way to ensure that phones will keep working in a situation where your phone would normally shut off.
Antenna gate is nothing and has the easiest fixes ever, tape or case.
I did not consent to my tires wearing out. Neither did I consent to the accidents I nearly caused by driving windy roads on worn tires in the rain. Toyota should be required to give my car just as much traction as when new!
How's that?
