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Apple Being Sued for 'Purposefully Slowing Down Older iPhone Models' [Updated]

Michael Goff said:
Sadly, worrying about a phone slowing down over time is something that happens with both phones. I don’t want it, but battery technology is what it is. And being Open Source hasn’t helped bring it forward with the amount of “Android doesn’t slow down your phone like this” comments I’ve read.
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Sadly, apple has a reputation of putting smaller battery than its competitors in the past, hence shorter battery life span. The plus model phones are some of the largest in the market, yet apple only includes sub-3000 mah battery in them.
If they knew battery isn't going to hold the same charge / voltage in a year or so, they should upgrade the battery instead of slowing down the device through software.
 
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whohasaquestion said:
Sadly, apple has a reputation of putting smaller battery than its competitors in the past, hence shorter battery life span. The plus model phones are some of the largest in the market, yet apple only includes sub-3000 mah battery in them.
If they knew battery isn't going to hold the same charge / voltage in a year or so, they should upgrade the battery instead of slowing down the device through software.
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Apple decided to use that space for other things, sadly. I’m not saying it was the right choice, just that it isn’t some evil scheme to make you buy a new iPhone.
 
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Michael Goff said:
Apple decided to use that space for other things, sadly. I’m not saying it was the right choice, just that it isn’t some evil scheme to make you buy a new iPhone.
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If the phone is intentionally slowed down to a point that the only solution to it is a new iPhone then it's reasonable to draw that conclusion. And if it happens from 4s to 5, 5 to 5s, 5s to 6, 6 to 6s....etc, then it's darn reasonable to reach that conclusion.
 
whohasaquestion said:
If the phone is intentionally slowed down to a point that the only solution to it is a new iPhone then it's reasonable to draw that conclusion. And if it happens from 4s to 5, 5 to 5s, 5s to 6, 6 to 6s....etc, then it's darn reasonable to reach that conclusion.
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If replacing the battery fixes it, then it’s safe to say that’s the cheaper option.
 
Michael Goff said:
Sadly, worrying about a phone slowing down over time is something that happens with both phones. I don’t want it, but battery technology is what it is. And being Open Source hasn’t helped bring it forward with the amount of “Android doesn’t slow down your phone like this” comments I’ve read.
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Android does not do it neither did iOS until recently. As Apple admitted they started doing it just recently after they realized that they screwed up the phone design. The fact that they did not introduce processor throttling in iOS at the time of iPhone 6 release clearly indicates that that was not an intentional behavior and they had to do it after people started reporting untimely shut downs on phones with plenty of charge left.
 
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whohasaquestion said:
Sadly, apple has a reputation of putting smaller battery than its competitors in the past, hence shorter battery life span. The plus model phones are some of the largest in the market, yet apple only includes sub-3000 mah battery in them.
If they knew battery isn't going to hold the same charge / voltage in a year or so, they should upgrade the battery instead of slowing down the device through software.
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Are you equating capacity with output? I’m asking because the problem is peak power drawer and I don’t know enough about batteries to draw the conclusion that more battery capacity has anything to do with output.
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falainber said:
Android does not do it neither did iOS until recently. As Apple admitted they started doing it just recently after they realized that they screwed up the phone design. The fact that they did not introduce processor throttling in iOS at the time of iPhone 6 release clearly indicates that that was not an intentional behavior and they had to do it after people started reporting untimely shut downs on phones with plenty of charge left.
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Dude, the poster you just quoted linked directly to the code in Android that shows the same type of mechanism. Like the actual code.
 
falainber said:
Android does not do it neither did iOS until recently. As Apple admitted they started doing it just recently after they realized that they screwed up the phone design. The fact that they did not introduce processor throttling in iOS at the time of iPhone 6 release clearly indicates that that was not an intentional behavior and they had to do it after people started reporting untimely shut downs on phones with plenty of charge left.
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What part of “mitigates CPU frequency based on current load thresholds” do you not understand?
 
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furi0usbee said:
Yup, the truth hurts the worst sometimes... I'm happy you are thankful for the nerfing of your phone. As long as you are happy, I am happy.
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I’m not happy. Who ever said I was happy? When did I ever make it seem as though I’m happy? I’be only been explaining why it’s actually happening as opposed to simply wailing and gnashing my teeth.
 
opfreak said:
You seem to be expanding a lot of energy defending applie if you aren't happy.
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I’m using a lot of energy because I feel this is an issue that people should be educated about and then decide if they hate Apple. Hate, but hate with knowledge as opposed to a conspiracy theory.
 
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Michael Goff said:
I’m not happy. Who ever said I was happy? When did I ever make it seem as though I’m happy? I’be only been explaining why it’s actually happening as opposed to simply wailing and gnashing my teeth.
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I think apple has already provided the explanation.

Lots of us are questioning the motive behind; not the fact that throttling due to battery condition.
 
whohasaquestion said:
I think apple has already provided the explanation.

Lots of us are questioning the motive behind; not the fact that throttling due to battery condition.
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And a lot of the “questioning the motive” is coming in the form of conspiracy theories and angry rants. That’s not really questioning. Nor does it make sense.
 
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Michael Goff said:
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What part of “mitigates CPU frequency based on current load thresholds” do you not understand?
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All systems do this (for example, to prevent overheating or when in battery saving mode). What does it have to do with the issue at hand? According to you, this code "mitigates CPU frequency based on current load thresholds”. Apple's new code, mitigates CPU frequency based on the battery age. Do you notice the difference?
 
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Michael Goff said:
And a lot of the “questioning the motive” is coming in the form of conspiracy theories and angry rants. That’s not really questioning. Nor does it make sense.
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Like I said before, it's reasonable to come to some sort of conclusion of what's happening. If it's not obvious enough for you, feel free to spend $1000 next year when the new iPhone comes out.

For many of us, we've seen enough.
 
For dudes still defending APple: it's OK to accept that you own a phone from a company that sells flawed devices. All companies screw up from time to time.
 
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For those of you still shelling out your conspiracy theories: Have fun, I’m going to go power up my favorite phone of 2017 and update everything. Let’s hope Google finally fixed the Now feed of the 2XL to make it a little more useful.
 
Michael Goff said:
And a lot of the “questioning the motive” is coming in the form of conspiracy theories and angry rants. That’s not really questioning. Nor does it make sense.
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The same argument was used before, again, as per NYT November 15th article I posted before in this thread(click here). Apple does intentionally slow down iPhones, as they have admitted to it when provided evidence. Sigh.

Fact remains Apple withheld information about supposed failure of batteries, and fact remains Apple withheld information about slowing down customer's phones. No reason for them to withhold these data unless there were ulterior motives behind it. If Apple truly wanted customers to have longer life to their phones, they would have advised them to replace batteries. There is nothing wrong with that advice. So why would they withhold this information? My conjecture is to maximize the 'slow down' effect of forcing users to upgrade(just like as stated and advised by the NYT article) until such time of revelation came about like this month.

And fact remains iPhone sales were/are lagging:

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It's engineering for obsolescence and highest profit. It's similar to how Apple have had the lowest DRAM in the industry at 1GB while the rest of the industry had 3GB. 1GB was barely sufficient to run out of the box but as iOS and app size naturally grew the phone quickly became obsolete forcing you to buy a new one. Consumers spoke up and forced Apple to improve with 2GB when the rest of the industry was at 4GB+. Undersizing the battery capacity below what's required and well below the industry standard is an extension of that engineering for obsolescence and profit. iPhone 8's 1,821mAh battery is actually even smaller than iPhone 7's 1,960mAh which is already anemic compared to the industry's 2,800mAh in low end phones like the $40 Moto E4. So, to claim that Apple fixed a battery problem with a software update is false. What Apple did was cover up issues they have long known to happen in previous models by undersizing the battery capacity because it's common knowledge for decades that batteries degrade over time, battery performance decrease in cold temperature, etc. but instead of increasing capacity to buffer for the aging and cold weather drop or shutdown, Apple continue to make the battery smaller while the rest of the industry is going in the positive direction with increasingly larger batteries in the 4,000 to 5,000mAh range. Concerned consumers need to speak up again to change Apple's behavior.
 
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Michael Goff said:
For those of you still shelling out your conspiracy theories: Have fun, I’m going to go power up my favorite phone of 2017 and update everything. Let’s hope Google finally fixed the Now feed of the 2XL to make it a little more useful.
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Have fun seeing your device performance taking a hit.
 
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If I'd have an old phone with severe battery usage, regardless of the platform, I would prefer to have it slowed down than turning itself off at around 20%.

Being able to do basic communication is more important than having a fast phone. Batteries degrade, nothing new, and replacing your old battery is not expensive by any means if you cannot afford a newer model and this actually fixes everything.

The amount of people I see using iPhones with cheap Chinese cables and chargers is fairly high, and that definately adds to battery failure.
 
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