Apple better do a good job on the camera this time

M. Gustave said:
You're right, thanks for the correction.
I think my point was just that the spec differences between these cameras have very little practical impact.
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well, the samsung camera takes in almost twice as much light at f1.7 (i still haven't figured out whether these cameras work always at maximum fixed aperture or they can also close the diaphragm when needed). exposure at night should benefit a great deal from it.

besides, no one in the forum is talking about RAW photo capture, which is included in iOS10, can anyone tell us something about it?
 
i think the post processing washes out these photos. i can't take their commercials seriously about how stunning the camera is. my images come out washed out.
 
pegamoos said:
well, the samsung camera takes in almost twice as much light at f1.7
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Not quite twice, as you yourself noted... but regardless, as anyone with even a bit of photography experience knows, one stop makes very little if any practical difference in digital cameras. With 35mm film, it was worth it for me to lug around an f/1.4 prime vs an f/2.0, but with digital tiny sensor cameras? Nah. Now we just crank up the ISO.

Phone cameras are daylight, moment capturing tools. If you're doing action, night, or astrophotography, Nikon and Canon will happily sell you the $2000 dslr lenses required.
 
ToddH said:
I was comparing the small optics to the much larger optic in the galaxy note 7 which is F/1.7. So the optical element is a good 60% larger than what the iPhone currently has so therefore it lets in more light, has a shallow depth of field, and the Samsung camera focuses extremely fast, much faster than the iPhone. But due to the fact that I don't care for android software, it's difficult for me to justify buy that phone just for the camera.
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The f number isn't just to do with the size of the front element of the lens. It's a mathematical calculation based on the size of the front element and the focal length.

The maximum aperture of a lens can't be established simply by looking at its size.

As for depth of field, this is also as a result of the size of the image sensor.
 
I'm kind of at a crossroads right now. It's a weird one. Live Photos are really popular in my family. The kids love them. But as far as we know they only play on Apple devices unless you jump through some extra steps on your Mac. My Note 7 also does a form of Live Photos that actually looks better (audio doesn't seem as good though) and can be viewed as movies on every device and OS that I've sent the pics to so far without any bother for the sender or the recipient. I'm therefore thinking of trading my 6S Plus in to AT&T for a Galaxy S7. They are small enough to pocket. Along the lines of an IPhone 6. That would then be my pocket phone on big "mom jeans" days.

I'd still have my SE for my other clothes. That phone is paid off and staying regardless. It would share the sim with the s7.

Currently my SE is my pocket sized always with me camera and smart phone. And my Note 7 is my daily planner/phablet computer device. It's still too big to be my all around device. My 6S Plus is just kind of a backup waiting to be traded for something I'd use.

I will wait and see what they do with the iPhone 7 software.

My SE seems to be better at getting low light photos that are not blurry than my Note 7 is. But all iPhone photos err on the side of too much softness. I see a lot of lost detail in zooms compared to my Note 7's pictures. The Note 7 can get photos of the beach lit by moonlight that my iPhones can't get very well or at all. iPhone photos tend to match better in terms of lighting and color to what my eye actually sees. But the Note 7 photos look better and make the scenes and the people in them look prettier.
 
Samsung manufactures their own camera modules. Apple outsources it. Been waiting the day when iPhones are made in USA with all Apple-manufactured components inside/out. Samsung controls their own destiny here being a true OEM to several components. Samsung even manufactures Qualcomm's Snapdragon 820.

Make a recipe but be the best chef to your own kitchen. Self reliance. Learn it, Apple.
 
Savor said:
Samsung manufactures their own camera modules. Apple outsources it. Been waiting the day when iPhones are made in USA with all Apple-manufactured components inside/out. Samsung controls their own destiny here being a true OEM to several components. Samsung even manufactures Qualcomm's Snapdragon 820.

Make a recipe but be the best chef to your own kitchen. Self reliance. Learn it, Apple.
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The phone will fall apart within a month if it were made in the U.S.
 
some alleged info about the new camera here.

in short:
resolution remains the same: 12MP
sensor size: from 1/3" to 1/2.6" (roughly 30% bigger area)
aperture: from f/2.2 to f/1.9 (about 1/2 stop faster)
pixel size: from 1,22µm to 1,3µm.

it all sounds likely to me.
i hope it's true, can't wait to see the results
 
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Nothing wrong with Apple's cameras, they are great. Its funny when people expecting to get DSLR quality pictures from a tiny camera phones.
 
I don't know what you're complaining about but the 6s camera, heck, even the iPhone 5 camera is great. I see all these people on snapchat with blurry videos (i know they own galaxys) and every iPhone user is super clear and vibrant. Even photos. On paper, samsung might do it better but I've always preferred the iPhone cameras. My 6s is great. Low light isn't the best but its still good enough.
 
Everyone so concerned when they are anyone else never views the photos on anything but a screen less than 6" big.
 
ToddH said:
They are slow at evolving because they only changed the sensors in the cameras for the iPhone 4-6. The optics didn't change much the F/ratio went from 2.4 to 2.2, Apple used eight megapixel cameras for four generations and finally on the 6S they went to a 12mp, but still at f/2.2. Took them only four years to get away from the 8mp camera while other phones had 13~16mp. They need to have f/1.4~1.7 on the next camera. Samsung is a couple of years ahead of apple in the camera department.
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Let's face it, Samsung's megapixel amount wasn't what they made it out to be, which is partially why they've brought down the megapixels as much as they have. I used to love carrying around my point and shoot until I had to replace it and I couldn't find any good affordable ones at the store because of the pointless megapixel race. I tested a 24 megapixel Kodak point and shoot for a weekend and it was useless. That's because they simply only cared about the number on the box.

Samsung produces a lot of great cameras but they're not as far ahead from Apple as you think. They're not even top notch when it comes to color representation but because it looks new and different people think it's better.
 
I am just hoping for an improvement to the image processing algorithm. Ever since the iPhone 6 the watercolor effect has been in full effect. It's easy to spot an iPhone picture with this trademark smoothing.
 
The Game 161 said:
camera i expect will be the main feature this year...should be very good
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More like the ONLY new feature this year.

I mean that in a good way. There really doesn't seem to be anything that will be impressive with the 7 in other areas so I really do expect the camera to be revolutionary. Or at least, impressive enough to sell phones.
 
Persicuta said:
I don't know what you're complaining about but the 6s camera, heck, even the iPhone 5 camera is great. I see all these people on snapchat with blurry videos (i know they own galaxys) and every iPhone user is super clear and vibrant. Even photos. On paper, samsung might do it better but I've always preferred the iPhone cameras. My 6s is great. Low light isn't the best but its still good enough.
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I'm sorry to burst your bubble, but Snapchat behaves differently on Android than it does on iOS. On iOS, it actually uses the camera to take a picture.. whereas on Android, it takes a screenshot of the viewfinder and presents it as a picture.

As a disclaimer, I am an iPhone user myself, but in this case, it's not either phone's fault.
 
I7guy said:
Yes Samsung camera won....by a hair. So basically you put blinders on and ignored the entire article.
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From the article:
While no phone has a perfect camera, you want the phone that will produce the best-looking photo right out of the box. In that case, I’m entirely in favor of Samsung’s end results, even if they are a little over-processed at times. But you don’t have to resign yourself to that, either. If you don’t want Samsung to do what it does with your photos, you can choose to do something differently with the manual mode. Apple’s iPhone doesn’t offer that, and though its photos offer enough dynamic range for anyone who gravitates towards the iOS platform and likes a little edit-ability in their photos, it’s not the most versatile smartphone camera.
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That is not by a hair ...
 
ToddH said:
For me, the camera is the most important function of the iPhone, I sure hope the next iPhone has a f/1.7 optical setup or faster!!! I'm tired of f/2.2 and average image quality. Apple sure is SLOW at evolving their iPhone cameras, especially since they advertise so heavily about iPhone photography.

As much as I despise android phones, the galaxy note 7 has a fantastic camera and if I have to switch just because of a camera, I'll be doing so with bitterness. But at least my iPhone 6s Plus is paid for an I can still use it for normal stuff and use the Samsung for the photos if I go that route. Sounds rediculas but if Apple doesn't deliver, that will be lame, they will be lame!

I don't know what the purpose of a dual lens camera will be, the optics still look like they are f/2.2 (small lenses) from the leaked photos I've seen. The 4.7" iPhone 7 looked to have a larger camera housing, hopefully that will be f/1.4 or 1.7. I just hope apple does the same for the plus.
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The camera has continually been a strength of the iPhone and it always gets a slight improvement with each new hardware refresh. I've always been impressed with results (apart from low light shots, obviously).

I am no camera expert, but there is limited space in a phone and the technology does not exist to use the type/size of sensors used in high-end cameras in smart phones right now. I believe Sony produce most of the modules used in high-end phones and they are continually improving year by year. As I said above, I've yet to be disappointed with an iPhone camera. So long may that continue.
 
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Steve121178 said:
The camera has continually been a strength of the iPhone and it always gets a slight improvement with each new hardware refresh. I've always been impressed with results (apart from low light shots, obviously).

I am no camera expert, but there is limited space in a phone and the technology does not exist to use the type/size of sensors used in high-end cameras in smart phones right now. I believe Sony produce most of the modules used in high-end phones and they are continually improving year by year. As I said above, I've yet to be disappointed with an iPhone camera so long may that continue.
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Yea, and judging by the leaks for this years iPhone, the camera is going to get a big upgrade, in fact it could be the big feature this year. The dual camera on the 7 Plus will be interesting, i've loved using the camera on my iPhone's over the years, i'm betting Apple have found a great way to improve it further, even on the 7 which doesn't look to be getting the dual camera, i still think it will be improved.
 
I think some people forget how far we have come with camera phones. It wasn't long ago that were had truly awful cameras in our Nokia's that took grainy low resolution images in even the best lighting conditions. Along came Sony Ericsson and raised the bar significantly with some great camera phones (did anyone else have a SE K750/K800 etc?). Then we had the Nokia N series which had decent cameras (for the time). Then came the modern smart phones with cameras that rivalled and bettered point and shoot cameras from the likes of Nikon, Canon etc for image quality.

Honestly, cameras on smart phones are pretty damn good right now. I think some people expect far too much.
 
lagwagon said:
So you claim "not by a hair" because the iPhone can't do manual settings? It can. Get an app like Camera+ and that negates the whole argument on that, all while still having the better dynamic range.
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The biggest advantage of S7 camera is in low light situations, and currently, it blows 6s out of the water. Bigger sensor, larger aperture and OIS is impossible to overcome with image processing alone. 6s plus fares better than 6s, but still does worse in low light than S7.
 
noobinator said:
Everyone so concerned when they are anyone else never views the photos on anything but a screen less than 6" big.
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I look at my pics on my iPad Air and 50 inch TV (Apple TV) and occasionally on my 11 inch MacBook.
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Dave245 said:
Yea, and judging by the leaks for this years iPhone, the camera is going to get a big upgrade, in fact it could be the big feature this year. The dual camera on the 7 Plus will be interesting, i've loved using the camera on my iPhone's over the years, i'm betting Apple have found a great way to improve it further, even on the 7 which doesn't look to be getting the dual camera, i still think it will be improved.
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I really hope they come through with the camera on the 7 plus as I'm getting rid of my S7 edge which has a great camera. A lot better than the camera on my 6S plus.
 
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