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The Adobe CS6 download versions (and previous versions of the CS) are available to all Adobe ID holders, which means you can download the non-modified software directly from Adobe/Akamai servers.

Seriously? And given a license key to use it?
 
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Good on you Australia for making an issue of this. For years you have been discriminated against with pricing. Before the digital age made this discrimination so obvious you simply lived with it. It is great to see it making main-stream news in your country. I hope Adobe, Microsoft and the content providers burn in a special place in hell for their continued arrogance. I hope you Aussies keep downloading from "alternative sources" - stick it to the man!

Actually sticking it to the man has worked.

Game of Thrones is a perfect example. 2% of Australia's population is estimated to have pirated this show. So 440k/episode. When this show is estimated to have 4million pirated copies/episode, Australia (with our small population of 22m, and crap internet) accounts for over 10%. Why? Because it aired a week later here, exclusive to an over priced monopolised cable/satellite provider (which costs $100/month) known as Foxtel (owned by NewsCorp and the monopolised telecommunications company Telstra).
Now because of this, Foxtel has announced they will air the show within an hour of it airing in the states. Further, iTunes will have a season pass for $33ish and will be available within hours.
Its a start.
We really need netflix to operate in this country though. There are ways around it to get the US netflix which I will be doing soon.
 
Adobe's position is the worse, microsoft excuse is claim is 'we can rip of Australians because we can'. At least Apple has some reasonable excuse for higher mark up - regarding music content.

Here's my summary:
  • Apple: It's not our fault!
  • Adobe: But we added such nice chrome to it, just for you!
  • MS: Eff off
 
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Here are the numbers in France (I guess prices are quite the same across the EU, apart from the iPod which is taxed approximately 10% higher in France):

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Lowest and highest difference in the past six months.

http://translate.google.com/transla...s-1841-apple-est-12-plus-chere-en-france.html
 
Earlier today, MacStories noted that markups in Australia average as much as 61.4% for music, 33.5% for movies and 25.9% for TV shows when a subset of content offerings is compared to prices in the United States once Australia's Goods and Services Tax (GST) has been accounted for.

Does that cover all local taxes? Because local taxes in the United states are never mentioned when it comes to Apple's prices. Where I live I pay a 9.9% sales tax on anything Apple sells.
 
Uh...

If you're paying for digital media and software, you're doing it wrong. The industry's false economy depends on conning you into you to subsidizing everyone who doesn't pay.

That's a pretty BS response there. We SHOULD be paying for stuff, because that's how economies work.
 
Apparently you aren't being creative enough. I buy mostly albums from Amazon here in the states. Why? Because they consistantly have MP3 albums (non-DRM) for $5-7 and sometimes as low as $3. I can download them to my Mac and have them automatically imported into my iTunes for loading onto my iphone or ipad.

And iTunes Match converts 99% of these songs to 256 KBit AAC for me ;)

Forgot to say: Anyone knows what songs cost at Amazon in Australia? Do they sell there at all?
 
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Those factors influence prices to consumers only if and when the seller refuses to lower its markups. With a 61% markup, I think Apple has some wiggle room.

You didn't actually read Apple's response, did you? 61% on downloadable media (what idiot started calling it "digital"? ) happens because Apple pays 61% more to the record companies.

For computers, it seems you don't understand the situation.

Go back ten years ago. 1 US$ = 2 Aus$. Say a computer was sold in the USA for $1000. US$900 for building the computer, US$100 for stores, employees etc. In Australia, they charged Aus$2000. Aus$1800 for the computer, Aus$200 for stores, employees etc.

Now, 1 US$ = 1 Aus$. The cost of building the computer is now Aus$900. The rest of the cost is unchanged Aus$200. So the same computer is sold for Aus$1100. So really the Australians should be happy that their computer is now a lot cheaper than ten years ago.

However, Aus$1100 = US$1100, which is more than in the USA. They complain. But the reason for the price difference is that the cost of selling the computer is Aus$200 = US$200, whereas in the USA the cost is US$100. The Australians make (right now) more money than people in the USA, but you think that Apple should eat that cost. Why?

So you really think Apple should make less profit in Australia because Australians make more money?

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The publishers sued somebody who bought textbooks overseas for cheap and sold them to American students for less than list price. He got sued by the publishers, and dragged all the way to the Supreme Court.

(BTW, the USSC decided that he was within his rights due to the First Sale Doctrine.)

so there are two points here: until earlier this week, it was not clear that it was ok to do what you suggest with physical media, and if you try it with something other than college textbooks, you may well get sued by the publisher.

However, that was about resale. You were (in the USA) always allowed to buy books abroad. The question was whether the First Sale doctrine that allows you to resell books that you bought applied to books bought in foreign countries. The law says it applies to all books that were "lawfully produced under this act". Book publishers said "under this act" means "in the country where that act is law, that is the USA". The defense claimed, and turned out to be right, saying that "under this act" means "produced in a way that follows the rules of the US law". So now you can resell in the USA any book that was produced according to US copyright law, anywhere in the world.
 
You didn't actually read Apple's response, did you? 61% on downloadable media (what idiot started calling it "digital"? ) happens because Apple pays 61% more to the record companies.

Apple has expenses that vary in every different locality. Apple can handle this reality in many possible ways. The way they chose was to keep their margins intact. That was entirely their decision, and there was no compulsion to do so.

Whether that is god or bad or expected or whatever is an exercise for the reader.

However, that was about resale.

Are you missing the fact that the current situation, i.e., the one described in the article, is also about resale? If not, what is the distinction that you are trying to make?
 
Apparently you aren't being creative enough. I buy mostly albums from Amazon here in the states. Why? Because they consistantly have MP3 albums (non-DRM) for $5-7 and sometimes as low as $3. I can download them to my Mac and have them automatically imported into my iTunes for loading onto my iphone or ipad. Further, they even have a "cloud" player so that I can stream them instantly from Amazon completely by passing iTunes altogether. Outside of Apps, I haven't bought anything from Apple in years. Amazon caters more towards it's own Kindle devices, but I have no problems with using their stuff on my iDevices.


Yes of course if its non DRM and mp3 then you can buy it and load them into iTunes just like any MP3. I've done this many times but for the average user it's a lot of hassle and most don't know this can be done. But the biggest issue here in Australia is we're locked out of buying digitally from other countries through geo-blocking so you have to jump through a lot more hopes to get it to work.

The point is for the average user with an iPhone they will only buy from iTunes as they know no better.

Everything in Australia costs 50% to 100% more then in the USA. That's Australia's fault, not Apples.

This is total BS and you didn't read the story.

There is actually some Apple hardware that costs less here when taxes are taken into account but it's not the hardware thats at issue, its iTunes, Microsoft and Adobe.
 
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The Adobe CS6 download versions (and previous versions of the CS) are available to all Adobe ID holders, which means you can download the non-modified software directly from Adobe/Akamai servers.

Adobe geo blocks Australian users from downloading from the US site, and redirects them to the AU site. This is the "localization" that costs an extra $1000. You can't purchase from anywhere else. It is extortion. Nothing less. Adobe wonder why people pirate their software. Wonder no more, they deserve to be.
 
How about this:

If Australians think they're being charged too much money for something, an Australian company should start a digital music business and compete with Apple on price.

That's how the market works -- not by some bureaucrat grandstanding for votes by "going after" the big bad foreign corporation that is "price gouging" it's poor Australian citizens.

Vote with your wallets and don't support Apple -- support a local company that you believe prices more fairly.

Or, move someplace else.

OR, implement the "free trade" that we supposedly have and allow the importation of both physical and digital media from anywhere in the world. Any attempt by companies trying to stop this would be seen as breaking the law and subject to fines.

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Adobe geo blocks Australian users from downloading from the US site, and redirects them to the AU site. This is the "localization" that costs an extra $1000. You can't purchase from anywhere else. It is extortion. Nothing less. Adobe wonder why people pirate their software. Wonder no more, they deserve to be.

Sue them for breaking the free trade agreement , it should be available for citizens as well as corporations
 
It's interesting that there's been this sudden focus on Apple, et al, given that the big 3 Euro car manufacturers have been attaching 40%+ premiums to their vehicles for so long, people now think it's entirely normal, and that's a much larger cost.

Yes, I just read about the Rolls Royce Ghost costing more than double by direct price comparison with the UK...

Thing is, which are you more likely to own...
 
Adobe explaining that it charges Australian customers $1000 extra for a software suite because users are receiving a "personalized" service on their local website. Microsoft said its prices, which include a $2000 increase for a software suite, were based on market competition and that users would vote with their wallets if they didn't agree.
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What a total load of BS.

"Personalized" service when you download software? Now I've heard it all.
"Vote with your feet"? Yeah I'm sure there's plenty of 100% options for a Office Suite alternative.

Don't get me wrong, happy to pay, but in the day where stuff is all downloaded from a central server, everyone should pay the same - no matter where you're from.

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The Aussies have their own tax codes, along with corporate business model that create such difference, much like Europe's TVA and warranty enforcements.

That is what the senat enquiry is for to determine if some of the IP law that allows local companies to monopolize foreigne content is still valid or should be loosened to create a more competive market.

The aim of laws was to foster Australian cultural content off the back of the popular overseas content. It really just doesn't work anymore now that physical production of media isn't the only way to get stuff anymore.
 
Are you missing the fact that the current situation, i.e., the one described in the article, is also about resale? If not, what is the distinction that you are trying to make?

No, there was nothing about resale. It was about being able to buy a product in a foreign country. Buy it, own it, keep it. No resale. The US court decision was about your right to buy an item in a foreign country, bring it to your own country, and then sell it to someone else.
 
Adobe geo blocks Australian users from downloading from the US site, and redirects them to the AU site. This is the "localization" that costs an extra $1000. You can't purchase from anywhere else. It is extortion. Nothing less. Adobe wonder why people pirate their software. Wonder no more, they deserve to be.

I'm pretty sure you can download the 30 day demo/trial version but there might be an issue when it comes to registering it, you need to buy the license through the local Adobe store and pay the local AU price.
 
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Actually sticking it to the man has worked.

Game of Thrones is a perfect example. 2% of Australia's population is estimated to have pirated this show. So 440k/episode. When this show is estimated to have 4million pirated copies/episode, Australia (with our small population of 22m, and crap internet) accounts for over 10%. Why? Because it aired a week later here, exclusive to an over priced monopolised cable/satellite provider (which costs $100/month) known as Foxtel (owned by NewsCorp and the monopolised telecommunications company Telstra).
Now because of this, Foxtel has announced they will air the show within an hour of it airing in the states. Further, iTunes will have a season pass for $33ish and will be available within hours.
Its a start.
We really need netflix to operate in this country though. There are ways around it to get the US netflix which I will be doing soon.

The funny/sad thing is in Australia we have a streaming company called Quickflix, who last year received an investment from HBO. Now they stream HBO content.

However they stream nothing new, I haven't checked lately but it was stuff like the sopranos.

http://m.theaustralian.com.au/business/companies/hbo-takes-10m-stake-in-quickflix/story-fn91v9q3-1226263677401

http://www.quickflix.com.au/Collections/HBO

So HBO being an investor won't even give them their latest shows.
 
Wait....Really???? I thought that was a normal pricing!!! How many yens would a song cost in the US?
Not sure what you're trying to do here but if you're happy to pay ¥250 ($2.70) in the Japanese store for a track that sells for $1.29 in the US store, good for you.
The price difference can't be attributed to local taxes (5% in Japan), localization costs (the song file you get is 100% identical to the US one) or even exchange rates (a few months ago, ¥250 was worth $3.20; if anything, $2.70 is not as bad as it use to be).
 
Apple has expenses that vary in every different locality. Apple can handle this reality in many possible ways. The way they chose was to keep their margins intact. That was entirely their decision, and there was no compulsion to do so.

That isnt what the article is saying at all.

Apple is a reseller. The topic of the story involves the markup they charge when they resell media.

No. The story involves Apple saying that the rate they are charging is due to media rights holders. Across the board their margins in Australia are very reasonable in comparison to other localities - except Music/Movies/TV content on iTunes (see the graph in the article). The articles point is that Music/Movies/TV media rights holders are the ones responsible for the disparity in iTunes prices in Australia versus other parts of the world.
 
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