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lol, we all knew of the manufacturing issues they've had, and as I called a few days ago, they would use that to spin their sales...

I don't doubt the 5 is selling VERY well, better than the 4s however?

Not a chance, not a chance in the world.
 
Tim Cook is known to be a logistics mastermind at Apple. This is something that was widely talked about when named CEO.
So if nothing else, this is the last thing to be questioning Apple about because he is just so good at it. For them to plan to launch the iPhone 5 in that many different countries in such a short period of time.. not only will it sell extremely well, but it will be their most successful launch they've had from a logistics point of view.

So reading all of these posts from people who think they know how to run a supply chain, how to meet demand better... lol it's funny to read because they probably truly believe they'd somehow do a better job, as if Apple is dropping the ball.

They're definitely gunning for 50 million sold during the 4th quarter. As an Apple fan (and stock holder), here's hoping they make it!
 
It happens every year.

Funny uh ? It's always "wildly popular" and Apple never builds enough. :eek:

Are you saying Apple are that piss poor at inventory management and demand forecasting ? :rolleyes:

The 4S had almost a 100% Year on Year increase from the comparable quarter for the 4. Very few companies are going to predict that even in their wildest dreams. The last thing Apple would have wanted would have been to build 50 million iPhone 4S models last year and sold only 38 million of them in the holiday quarter.

This year is even more difficult to predict. iPhone 4S buyers are mostly still on contract, so it comes down to serial upgraders. There are iPhone 4 owners, but the upgrade base is smaller. Smartphone penetration in total has reached 50% or more in developed economies where Apple sells best. The ongoing European debt crisis has clearly had some impact on Apple (look at sales last quarter). So yes, I can believe that Apple can't predict even to the nearest 5 million how many iPhones they could sell between now and the end of the calendar year with unlimited supply, or to the nearest million how many they could have sold on launch weekend (including pre-sales).
 
And they're always "Blown away". Really. How can people not laugh at the quote from 2011 being the same in regards to the 4S as it is this year for the 5 ? Almost seems like they just copy/pasted the "reaction". They fully expected this.

Apple is like a crazy religion, or political party now... they just pump out nonsensical spin and everyone laps it up without any fact checking.

Faith should be reserved for things much greater than just a telephone.

Hell, the claim of the iPhone 5 being the thinnest smart phone ever has already been disproved, but does it stop them from advertising that "claim"? Of course not... and do people believe them? Sure they do... because they're Apple.

Apple isn't a company, they're not concerned with profits, they're just our friends and they want us to be happy. :)
 
Please explain to me

a) when has Apple ever not said they've been blown away/very happy/etc with the pre-order for the iPhone.

b) why an Apple Spokesperson would ever say anything BUT how amazing their sales have been.

And when they have said they have been blown away without breaking their past records?
 
The statement is marketing folks... but it also likely true. The iPhone has likely exceeded the upper range of their pre-sales estimates.

Apple does NOT need to fake demand for the iPhone 5 in anyway whatsoever... it is so comically wrong to claim that they are holding back on production.
 
Really? Saying that without knowing my background at all? I happen to have been in large corporate marketing for more years than you've probably been alive, sailor.

what background? background = stupidology?

doesn't matter what your background is if you sound stupid. Then you are just the most stupid person in that background.
 
Of course they weren't "Blown Away". But exactly where is the mistake? Does anybody really get upset because they say this?

A little honesty and professionalism from them would be nice.

OK, so they were very pleased with the exceptional demand, and even surprised by the scale of it. It would be far better to come out and say that instead of saying "Wow, man... I'm blown away by all this, man..." I mean, come on.

I'm not upset. I did order 2 of these phones, and I'm excited for them to get here. I really do think they're superior products with superior technology.

But this situation where they run out of supply after only 1 hour? That's idiocy. And yes, it's tiresome when they do it again and again and again. They're SMARTER than that. And SO AM I.
 
The 4S had almost a 100% Year on Year increase from the comparable quarter for the 4. Very few companies are going to predict that even in their wildest dreams. The last thing Apple would have wanted would have been to build 50 million iPhone 4S models last year and sold only 38 million of them in the holiday quarter.

Can it. I'm not believing it anymore. And why did you cut out the quote from Phil being "Blown away by demand for the 4S" ? That was the funniest part of my post. :D

And frankly, they had plenty of 4S stock. Don't be fooled by their deception and marketing tactics. I walked in at 1 p.m., no line-ups, bought a 4S 16 GB on launch day. We came back at around 6h30 p.m., walked into the same store, bought a second black 4S 32 GB for my then girlfriend, no line-up then either. On launch day.

Stock manipulation for online pre-orders and launch day sales in a few key locations where line-ups will build is key to getting a media frenzy going. Going out to the fringes, there was plenty of stock. It'll be the same for the 5. Apple anticipated this, they weren't "Blown away" last year as Phil stated, they weren't "Blown away" this year as the spokesperson stated.

This is all planed.

And just because it's so funny, here it is again :


https://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/1...llion-iphone-4s-pre-orders-in-first-24-hours/

We are blown away with the incredible customer response to iPhone 4S,” said Philip Schiller, Apple’s senior vice president of Worldwide Product Marketing.
 
Apple is like a crazy religion, or political party now... they just pump out nonsensical spin and everyone laps it up without any fact checking.

Faith should be reserved for things much greater than just a telephone.

Hell, the claim of the iPhone 5 being the thinnest smart phone ever has already been disproved, but does it stop them from advertising that "claim"? Of course not... and do people believe them? Sure they do... because they're Apple.

Apple isn't a company, they're not concerned with profits, they're just our friends and they want us to be happy. :)
Please fact check for us now
 
I have a hard time this phone will beat the 4S. The 4S is the best phone ever

The best 3G phone...but seeing as I own the 4S now and Pre-Ordered my 5 (for 4G LTE alone) the iPhone 5 will be the best phone on the market.
 
As usual when a new iPhone is released there is a lot of Apple doubters with "concerns" over theoretical problems.. as usual they will be wrong. :)
 
All these people here who sincerely believe companies truly hold back potential millions in sales just to make sure their product is *hot* are simply hilarious! Oh and when they start arguing that they are in marketing too... yeah, this explains why their company will never be as successful or profitable as Apple when they start telling their bosses "No no, it's better to not sell our products than sell them!" :rolleyes:

But just curious how many of the naysayers here actually placed an order, and if not, didn't someone complain about the value of someone's time if they drive by the lines outside? How valuable must your time be if you spend it all bashing a product you don't intend to buy? Think about that.:confused:

I would be shocked if some companies aren't doing it.

Famously, baseball card manufacturers in the late 80s and early 90s manipulated the supply chain to create the illusion of scarcity. They even went to far as to lie about the numbers of cards being produced.

Or think of it this way. Apple could have designed in NFC. That would have definitely generated some additional sales from people, and yet they chose not to. They decided it would make them more money to not include it at this time and sacrifice potential sales.

Apple is also famous for its "Apple markup" where they charge a premium for their products. They intentionally sacrifice some sales to people on a low budget in exchange for higher margins and premium brand status.

I hope you can appreciate that the world of marketing is far more sophisticated than you seem to believe.
 
They will end up selling all they make. Spreading out the sales on purpose over the first few weeks to create a rarity and thus some launch hype/media attention isn't anything that's going to drive away the sales. At the end of the quarter, they'll have sold as much as they would have had they not held back and as a bonus, they will have gotten tons of free PR from the media/press.

Win/Win.

I disagree. If the 4S selling pattern is any indication, Apple needs to strike while the metal is hot. Customers know when a new iPhone is near, and clearly sales have become cyclical. So to have a blowout quarter, it's critical for them to get the phone out as quickly as possible after announcing it and have as much as possible on hand.

Spreading out product releases (e.g. iPad, iPhone, Mac, perhaps iPad Mini) helps keep them in the public eye. If the 8" iPad comes next month, just in time for the holiday and after the initial iPhone rush has subsided in the initial launch countries, all the better. We might have only a spec-bumped iPad next year since the Retina Display came last year. My guess is that they will concentrate on making it thinner and lighter, partly in response to the criticisms this year that it was thicker and heavier. But I'm not expecting a major change.
 
A little honesty and professionalism from them would be nice.

OK, so they were very pleased with the exceptional demand, and even surprised by the scale of it. It would be far better to come out and say that instead of saying "Wow, man... I'm blown away by all this, man..." I mean, come on.

I'm not upset. I did order 2 of these phones, and I'm excited for them to get here. I really do think they're superior products with superior technology.

But this situation where they run out of supply after only 1 hour? That's idiocy. And yes, it's tiresome when they do it again and again and again. They're SMARTER than that. And SO AM I.

Look here, i am blown away by someone blahing out four paragraph of nonsense without evening knowing the numbers yet. This is idiocy.
 
The 4S had almost a 100% Year on Year increase from the comparable quarter for the 4. Very few companies are going to predict that even in their wildest dreams. The last thing Apple would have wanted would have been to build 50 million iPhone 4S models last year and sold only 38 million of them in the holiday quarter.

This year is even more difficult to predict. iPhone 4S buyers are mostly still on contract, so it comes down to serial upgraders. There are iPhone 4 owners, but the upgrade base is smaller. Smartphone penetration in total has reached 50% or more in developed economies where Apple sells best. The ongoing European debt crisis has clearly had some impact on Apple (look at sales last quarter). So yes, I can believe that Apple can't predict even to the nearest 5 million how many iPhones they could sell between now and the end of the calendar year with unlimited supply, or to the nearest million how many they could have sold on launch weekend (including pre-sales).

Interesting points you bring up, a good comment to read. I wonder how launching in so many different countries so quickly will help out the sales. All of the different countries may pick up some of the slack.
We can't forget that there was a larger time gap between the release of the 4 and the 4S, meaning there were more people eligible for an upgrade at the time.
 
Only people like KnightWRX and samcraig could have predicted such failure.

Uh ? You would have asked me last week before the keynote, I would have told you exactly what has transpired this week : "On pre-order day, it'll sellout of stock fast, with estimates dropping to 1-2 weeks after an hour or two. Apple will claim this took them by surprise and that they are amazed at the demand".

Please don't pretend to know what I would or not predict, because you don't quite seem to know me.
 
Please explain to me

a) when has Apple ever not said they've been blown away/very happy/etc with the pre-order for the iPhone.

b) why an Apple Spokesperson would ever say anything BUT how amazing their sales have been.

And yet, Apple blows away previous records on every launch of a new iPhone.

But thanks for playing.
 
Please fact check for us now

Thinner phones:

ZTE Athena

Huawei Ascend P1 S

Oppo Finder

All modern Android phones, all "smart phones".

As for Apple sales figures? Hah, time will reveal all... as I said, did it sell well? OF COURSE. Did it sell better than the 4s, not a chance.

Apples not dumb, it's all about perception, we're all greedy little pigs to them, make you feel like you're left out and you'll dance on your own mothers grave to keep up with the Jones'.

Wait and see. :)
 
This year is even more difficult to predict. iPhone 4S buyers are mostly still on contract, so it comes down to serial upgraders. There are iPhone 4 owners, but the upgrade base is smaller.

Yeah, I still use 4th gen and its working perfectly. Iphone 5 didnt impressed me with anything to consider purchasing it. Siri still is not working in my area so dont have any benefit on that, and 3,5inch display is still enough for me.
New dock connector isnt something worth the upgrading as well.
This year keynote was without "wow" effect, all the pics leaked month before (which didnt happened to Jobs) and design is still like the 4 and 4s.
And I am kinda sad that apple blocked the 3d option in maps for iphone 4 even though he can run it. To me it shows that apple is not respecting older customers. Its just about the money. Dont like this, forcing people to buy new things every year. If they continue it I will totally give up apple and switch to someone else.
 
Thinner phones:

ZTE Athena

Huawei Ascend P1 S

Oppo Finder

All modern Android phones, all "smart phones".

As for Apple sales figures? Hah, time will reveal all... as I said, did it sell well? OF COURSE. Did it sell better than the 4s, not a chance.

Apples not dumb, it's all about perception, we're all greedy little pigs to them, make you feel like you're left out and you'll dance on your own mothers grave to keep up with the Jones'.

Wait and see. :)

No, I meant, fact check the sales number.
 
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