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Apple 'Blown Away' by iPhone 5 Pre-Orders
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Those of you who think Apple is intentionally withholding supply for marketing reasons are nuts.
Similarly, those who seem to think months worth of supply should be stockpiled before the release date are also nuts.
The first group seems to think Apple is not only foolish enough to do what the second group wants, but even more foolish by delaying sales!
Look, if the warehouses are full, then the release date is too late. In this industry, it's all about getting to market first. Secondly, the inventory costs of stockpiling would be astronomical.
Similarly, those who seem to think months worth of supply should be stockpiled before the release date are also nuts.
The first group seems to think Apple is not only foolish enough to do what the second group wants, but even more foolish by delaying sales!
Look, if the warehouses are full, then the release date is too late. In this industry, it's all about getting to market first. Secondly, the inventory costs of stockpiling would be astronomical.
You can't prove anything to a conspiracy theorist. It's impossible to break their circular logic.
I don't get why you think I'm "butthurt" over this quite predictable scenario we're seeing ? I'm more amazed at the people still believing Apple was "Blown away". Especially in light of :
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/10/1...llion-iphone-4s-pre-orders-in-first-24-hours/
If using the exact same marketing quote doesn't clue you in, I don't know what to say. It's really brilliant marketing on the part of Apple.
"I can't wait till the Samsung SIV comes out. I'm gonna camp outside in line to get it"- Nobody
I was not eligible for an upgrade so I paid $750 for 32gb. So I am basically paying $250 a month before I even pay for service thanks to the Mayans. 
why are you commenting?
Explain how this works in your mind, please.
He has no life and shouldn't be commenting because he holds another opinion than you do?
Maybe he should take up questioning the motives of people posting and critiquing what others do with their lives...that apparently is worth commenting and confers a life?
How ever did you get to the erroneous conclusion that you must predict correctly to be an analyst?? LOL
Wondering if this time Apple leaked a lot of the information we saw as rumors?
Theres a 14 day return policy. Does it really matter if you have seen or used it before buying? IMO no, if you don't like it take it back.
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Lol.
Apple didn't see this one comming?
Seriously, they should be used to it by now.. Surge everytime a new iPhone comes out... And this made news?
I just thought ..... "Its business as usual." No fuss... its expected. Just like anything else new from Apple.
Lol.
Apple didn't see this one comming?
Seriously, they should be used to it by now.. Surge everytime a new iPhone comes out... And this made news?
I just thought ..... "Its business as usual." No fuss... its expected. Just like anything else new from Apple.
lol, cry me a river wise guy. over analyzing will give you brain cancer. Read up if you don't understand the source of my comment.
Apple is like a crazy religion, or political party now... they just pump out nonsensical spin and everyone laps it up without any fact checking.
Faith should be reserved for things much greater than just a telephone.
Hell, the claim of the iPhone 5 being the thinnest smart phone ever has already been disproved, but does it stop them from advertising that "claim"? Of course not... and do people believe them? Sure they do... because they're Apple.
Apple isn't a company, they're not concerned with profits, they're just our friends and they want us to be happy.
iPhone 4 sales
http://gigaom.com/apple/1-7m-iphone...nd-most-successful-apple-product-launch-ever/
"Steve Jobs apologized for the delays, while also patting himself on the back for a job well done. “This is the most successful product launch in Apple’s history,” he said. “Even so, we apologize to those customers who were turned away because we did not have enough supply.”
The iPhone 4S had sales of 4 million over its first weekend[sup]1[/sup], and 1,00,000 pre-orders[sup]2.
The iPhone 4 had sales of 1.7 million over its first weekend[sup]3[/sup], and 600,000 preorders[sup]4[/sup]
Foxconn apparently makes ~140,000 iPhones per day[sup]5[/sup]
Pre-orders appear to be limited to the 25-30% range. If you were to accept Apple will approximately twice as many iPhone 5s as iPhone 4S then youre talking 8 million units. At 140,000 units per day (thats 1.5 phones every second) Apple would need 57 days of manufacturing to meet first weekend demand. The rumors the iPhone 5 went in to production started in mid-to-late July giving them almost exactly 60 days.
Of course Foxconn could have increased the rate at which iPhones are produced since 2010, and the iPhone 5 could have gone in to production earlier than mid-July. Its also possible the iPhone 5 production rate is slower because its so new, and the mid-July date was wrong, and it was August. Its also possible the first weekend sales wont double those of the iPhone 4S.
Having an Industrial Engineer for a father though, I have a decent understanding of how they think. I suspect those numbers arent far from the truth. The iPhone 5 started production in mid-July. Apple will have 8 million of them available for sale next week. One-quarter to one-third of those were reserved for pre-orders.
If you think the overall production for the first weekend, or the limit to pre-orders is in anyway driven by marketing you simply have no idea how a factory is run. Does marketing take advantage? Sure, but the number of devices and the pre-order limits are set by capacity, simple as that.
1. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/10/17iPhone-4S-First-Weekend-Sales-Top-Four-Million.html
2. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/201...Orders-Top-One-Million-in-First-24-Hours.html
3. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/06/28iPhone-4-Sales-Top-1-7-Million.html
4. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/06/16Statement-by-Apple-on-iPhone-4-Pre-Orders.html
5. http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/15/report-foxconn-making-1-5-iphones-per-second/
The iPhone 4 had sales of 1.7 million over its first weekend[sup]3[/sup], and 600,000 preorders[sup]4[/sup]
Foxconn apparently makes ~140,000 iPhones per day[sup]5[/sup]
Pre-orders appear to be limited to the 25-30% range. If you were to accept Apple will approximately twice as many iPhone 5s as iPhone 4S then youre talking 8 million units. At 140,000 units per day (thats 1.5 phones every second) Apple would need 57 days of manufacturing to meet first weekend demand. The rumors the iPhone 5 went in to production started in mid-to-late July giving them almost exactly 60 days.
Of course Foxconn could have increased the rate at which iPhones are produced since 2010, and the iPhone 5 could have gone in to production earlier than mid-July. Its also possible the iPhone 5 production rate is slower because its so new, and the mid-July date was wrong, and it was August. Its also possible the first weekend sales wont double those of the iPhone 4S.
Having an Industrial Engineer for a father though, I have a decent understanding of how they think. I suspect those numbers arent far from the truth. The iPhone 5 started production in mid-July. Apple will have 8 million of them available for sale next week. One-quarter to one-third of those were reserved for pre-orders.
If you think the overall production for the first weekend, or the limit to pre-orders is in anyway driven by marketing you simply have no idea how a factory is run. Does marketing take advantage? Sure, but the number of devices and the pre-order limits are set by capacity, simple as that.
1. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/10/17iPhone-4S-First-Weekend-Sales-Top-Four-Million.html
2. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/201...Orders-Top-One-Million-in-First-24-Hours.html
3. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/06/28iPhone-4-Sales-Top-1-7-Million.html
4. http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/06/16Statement-by-Apple-on-iPhone-4-Pre-Orders.html
5. http://www.tuaw.com/2010/09/15/report-foxconn-making-1-5-iphones-per-second/
You know all the android surrogates were hoping and praying Apple would trip all over it's dick on the iPhone 5 launch.
Didn't happen, so it must be a conspiracy.
There's a term for that: Butthurt. Sour grapes. Pathetic; Take your pick.
Thinner phones:
ZTE Athena
Huawei Ascend P1 S
Oppo Finder
All modern Android phones, all "smart phones".
As for Apple sales figures? Hah, time will reveal all... as I said, did it sell well? OF COURSE. Did it sell better than the 4s, not a chance.
Apples not dumb, it's all about perception, we're all greedy little pigs to them, make you feel like you're left out and you'll dance on your own mothers grave to keep up with the Jones'.
Wait and see.
It won't sell as well as the 4S? And you're sure about that? Then put your money where your mouth (keyboard) is and short AAPL right now. As soon as it's reported that iPhone 5 sales were not as robust as the 4S last year, the stock will plunge at least 5%. Probably more, since the uptick we've seen in the stock this week has big big big 5 numbers already built in. Might as well cash in on that certainty!
How many more iPhone 5 pre-orders in the same first weekend period than iPhone 4S pre-orders int hat same timeframe would it take for you to acknowledge that it was even possible that Apple may have been genuinely surprised regarding the particularly high demand?
Let's say that the same number of orders in that period as iPhone 4S would be "zero surprise."
Let's agree that, say, if Apple got 100 times as many orders of iPhone 5 as iPhone 4S, they might be genuinely surprised. 100-fold increase is... a lot. I think they would be surprised.
What amount of increase somewhere between zero and 100 times more demand would it take for you to acknowledge that surprise might have actually occurred? Twice as much? 5 times as much demand? 10 times? 50? 100?
This article is worth reading as background:
http://www.asymco.com/2012/09/13/how-many-iphone-5s-will-sell-in-the-opening-weekend/
iPhone 4S sold about 4 million units as pre-orders in the first weekend of sales. That was by far the largest opening weekend of sales for any iPhone model to-date (despite the "terribly disappointing" nature of the iPhone 4S, if you believe the cynics).
Is Apple took twice as many pre-orders for iPhone 5 in that same period, for a total of 8 million units, would that be possible of registering genuine surprise, and "blowing them away?"
What about 10 million units in opening weekend?
Let's come back to this after the numbers are out, and you tell me if at that point, you acknowledge that maybe they were really, legitimately "blown-away." I have a feeling that the numbers are going to say a LOT. If it turns out to be true that it took one hour to sell as many units as it took 22 hours to sell last year, and we assume that the same number of iPhone 5s are available at launch as iPhone 4S units, then I think we can bet on some pretty ridiculous, "blow-away" numbers for iPhone 5 opening weekend sales.
Yeah yeah yeah. Whatever. My phone is in the order queue. Now they make me wait longer before I get it. This is absurd. Absolute insanity. I want my new phone right now.
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When the new iPad was released, Apple was able to support the mass majority of pre-orders for launch day. Because of that, lines at retail stores were minimal and a lot of media harped on that fact, even some media outlets suggesting that it was a launch day flop. I wouldn't be surprised if Apple purposefully kept the iPhone 5 launch day pre-orders to a minimum to ensure the lines at retail stores around the world are at mass capacity. Just imagine all the mainstream and social media pictures that will be circulating on Thursday night. Free publicity!
After 5 years of this scenario playing over and over again and Apple issuing the same press statement of being "Blown away" ? 100x the demand. Not a single unit less.
Yeah, that Lumia 920 is so innovative that Nokia had to fake the promotional material for their flagship new feature.
And Apple doesn't?
Or do you really think the iSight camera on the iPad can produce depth of field like this?
All marketing is like that... I mean even with Apple, think how ugly it would look if they didn't use simulated images in their commercials.
All I'm saying is, everyone bends the rules when it comes to marketing a product. It's no big deal.