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You sound like someone who's fairly defensive over a computer's CPU performance, a real one, btw, which is non-speculative.

CPU alone does not indicate or measure the total performance for any computer hardware. We see that with Apples mobile devices, for years out performed most others in its class with less hardware for example. Even though at the time the A series processor and graphics more then held its own.

Unless you have some inside information, which I highly doubt, thats the very reason why geekbench is speculative to begin with.
 
KPOM - those are some cogent points and I agree with them. An example of where I think Tim Cook has blown it is China Mobile - still no agreement after two years + of talking. China Mobile represents over 1 billion subscribers - hard to comprehend. Even a small percentage of that number going to iPhones would be a "wow" event IMO. China Mobile utilizes a one off variant of 3G known as TD-SCDMA. Not compatible with iPhone. However, with Apple's enormous resources and clout, why have they not developed the appropriate chipset and created a real competitive advantage with the world's largest cellular provider?

Given the soon to be MacPro design they may be gearing up for the "Year of 4K" and reenergizing the pro market with 4k monitors and whatever the Apple TV will be. The sneak peek of the MacPro was worrisome - why the hell are we seeing a sneak peek instead of the real thing? Oh, the quick answer some will give is they are waiting for TB2. Fair enough - but why has Cook not gotten with Intel and built a fire under them to accelerate release of TB2 and have something real to sell as opposed to more talk? Cook, IMO, simply does not know how to use Apple's clout and resources to move things along.

China Mobile is going to deploy its LTE TDD network. That's when iPhone shows up.

Steve Jobs had a sneak peek of iPhone six months before its release! He had a sneak peek of iPad as well. Every time they define a new category or make significant changes to an existing product, they announce ahead of time, old practice
 
Look Out Below

If you think APPL has taken a dive now. Just wait until the sales numbers come in for the IPhone 5S. (they will be dismal)

If you can short APPL, do it.
 
If you think APPL has taken a dive now. Just wait until the sales numbers come in for the IPhone 5S. (they will be dismal)

If you can short APPL, do it.

Ah ok so this is the beginning of the end for apple right? They had a good run.
 
If you think APPL has taken a dive now. Just wait until the sales numbers come in for the IPhone 5S. (they will be dismal)

If you can short APPL, do it.

Ah refreshing armchair analyst talk, i mean youre obviously very bright and can see the future so i should trust you. But whats the 5s got to do with Appell Pete Corp?
 
The job of the board is to maximise shareholder value. You cannot measure innovation. Tim Cook's job is to generate profits which turn into dividends and to maximise the share price. That's how he should be judged and rewarded.

Some here would claim that Apple doesn't care about profits. They would claim that everybody at apple works their hardest, not to enrich the hedge funds, but instead to make the world a better place.

Does anybody really believe that?
 
I was talking about the original Macintosh released in 1984. The first Mac Pro was released in 2006. And yes to your other two questions.

Point being, the first iterations always had areas that were lagging. People have forgiven them for that because they were industry and category changing products. The Mac Pro however has had many iterations already and the last significant upgrade was several years ago. The only real innovation was the size, something that existing owners didn't really care about tbh. They wanted a more powerful machine, instead they made virtually the same computer in a small tin can with a handful of ports. Seems like they wanted to attract a completely different audience, except the people who already own a Mac Pro can see right through that.
 
Point being, the first iterations always had areas that were lagging. People have forgiven them for that because they were industry and category changing products. The Mac Pro however has had many iterations already and the last significant upgrade was several years ago. The only real innovation was the size, something that existing owners didn't really care about tbh. They wanted a more powerful machine, instead they made virtually the same computer in a small tin can with a handful of ports. Seems like they wanted to attract a completely different audience, except the people who already own a Mac Pro can see right through that.

Again have you used... the device? I know who did, Pixar engineers and they claim its fast. I take even what they say with a grain of salt.

Although if you want to argue that the new mac pro cant be upgraded easily abd professionals will be turned off, completely agree with you. Apples doing that up and down its product line and that sucks
 
Some here would claim that Apple doesn't care about profits. They would claim that everybody at apple works their hardest, not to enrich the hedge funds, but instead to make the world a better place.

Does anybody really believe that?

I don't see why it can't be both. Make money on products they cared about. Steve Jobs primary wealth is Disney stocks. His paycheck was a yearly salary of a dollar with the remaining Apple stock was at 24%

While he could of retired and live more then comfortably like Bill Gates, he choose to continue to run Apple despite his failing health due to cancer. That tells me it was much more then money he cared about.
 
Point being, the first iterations always had areas that were lagging. People have forgiven them for that because they were industry and category changing products. The Mac Pro however has had many iterations already and the last significant upgrade was several years ago. The only real innovation was the size, something that existing owners didn't really care about tbh. They wanted a more powerful machine, instead they made virtually the same computer in a small tin can with a handful of ports. Seems like they wanted to attract a completely different audience, except the people who already own a Mac Pro can see right through that.

You're completely missing the point of the Mac Pro if you think the only innovation is the size. Sure, it may not be what existing Mac Pro owners want... but how do we know that being different automatically makes it worse? Here's a good write-up on just why the new Mac Pro *could* end up being a game-changer. It's not all about the CPU:

http://kickingbear.com/blog/archives/349

Of course, there's a chance that the new Mac Pro doesn't gain much traction. But you can't write it off when many similar gambles have paid off for Apple. Just as nobody needs this new Mac Pro, nobody needed a 10" iPod touch. The perception in 2010 was that if somebody already had an iPhone or an iPod touch, why would a bigger version of those be anything special? And if somebody already had a much more powerful laptop, why would they want an iPad either?

And that's where we are with the new Mac Pro. Nobody sees why it's necessary... but I have a feeling we'll find out why when people truly begin to make use of it.
 
Also how big of a market is there for a mac pro? Especially after numerous articles are deeming the pc market dead. Got to hand it to apple for doing something bew and risky. My hope is this design will be passed down to normal desktop PCs. Id buy one.
 
China Mobile is going to deploy its LTE TDD network. That's when iPhone shows up.

Steve Jobs had a sneak peek of iPhone six months before its release! He had a sneak peek of iPad as well. Every time they define a new category or make significant changes to an existing product, they announce ahead of time, old practice

Correct - but Apple could have been in there much earlier with, at that time, a very unique smartphone offering and millions of new customers. Perhaps the scale of demand would have been too daunting a manufacturing task - but that is a problem most would love to have.
 
Some here would claim that Apple doesn't care about profits. They would claim that everybody at apple works their hardest, not to enrich the hedge funds, but instead to make the world a better place.

Does anybody really believe that?

Who says that? No one? Cool. Thanks for your post.
 
Based on what fact?
Markets reaction the stock?

List the issues..
And then compare your list to what jobs did in the last 30 years!

I don't have to list them..just look back before post-steve job era.

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If Tim Cook is so bad and Apple is in such an awful place how come no one on the executive team has left (besides Scott Forstall who was fired)? Wouldn't some of them have jumped ship after Steve died?

no..if they getting paid high...why would they jump ship.

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Have people forgotten that Steve recommended Cook take over as CEO? Perhaps Steve knew something the armchair quarterbacks don't?

what would that be?
 
Apple is more like Ferrari or Harry Winston.

When you can buy an iphone 5 for $129 at Walmart all your wannabe claims to being a BMW or a Ferrari goes out the window.

VERTU = Ferrari

Iphone / Android - Your average middle car

The rest - peasants

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If Tim Cook is so bad and Apple is in such an awful place how come no one on the executive team has left (besides Scott Forstall who was fired)? Wouldn't some of them have jumped ship after Steve died?

$$ talks.
 
All Cook is doing is rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. He's a clueless as Gil Amelio was at running Apple.

Any reasoning behind that, or are you just here to troll as usual? You're that guy who coined the phrase "Crapple" and someone who doesn't know what communism is, so nobody is going to take you seriously even for an analyst.

All I've seen so far is that he sucks at speaking in public.
 
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I guess we'll find out. With Foretall though I think he was keeping Apple from moving forward. Rumors were he would often throw out the "Steve wouldn't..." line in meetings. If he was doing that around other SVPs I can see where they'd be like "****** you". For me WWDC had a completely different vibe this year, everyone seemed more relaxed and like they were really enjoying themselves up on stage. It's like the tension and the burden of WWSD is finally gone. Forstall being out of the picture I think has something to do with it.

Plus no more "giant weird eyes" at Apple Events. :rolleyes:
 
Apple's stock price has been based on innovation. The advantage of restricted stock is that it forces Tim to focus on where the stock price will be ten years from now, not six months from now.

I don't think that Apple's "innovation level" suddenly dropped after the stock hit $700 or that it jumped when the stock was in the 300s.
 
I don't have to list them..just look back before post-steve job era.

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no..if they getting paid high...why would they jump ship.

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what would that be?

It would be a lot more than you know.
 
Ah refreshing armchair analyst talk, i mean youre obviously very bright and can see the future so i should trust you. But whats the 5s got to do with Appell Pete Corp?

I wonder what would be the age of someone attempting to tell people how to trade Apple shares, and is too stupid to even now their stock symbol.

I wonder about both the physical and the mental age of that person :D
 
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