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so does this mean I don't need to buy lion now (since my mbp2011 came with leopard). I just need to stick in a blank drive and it will download lion?

Relatively new to macs...be gentle
 
so does this mean I don't need to buy lion now (since my mbp2011 came with leopard). I just need to stick in a blank drive and it will download lion?

Relatively new to macs...be gentle

It checks on apples servers if you're allowed to download it or not. I believe it goes off if you've registered Lion from a previous install on that serial no.
 
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Wow, how many times do you need to reinstall your os?

It's nit like your a core duo user who can't even use lion!(without a hack)

I'm pretty sure 99.99999% of 2010 MacBook pro users will not be affected by this on a daily basis.

If god forbid there hd crashes they will have to install snow leopard first , no Internet connection required.

A 2011 mbp lion user with no restore discs and no Internet is out of luck!!!
 
You need to look up what a "Super Duper" backup is.

I load in a fresh internal drive, BOOT UP OFF MY EXT SUPER DUPER BACKUP PARTITION, and simply restore it to my internal. If my SD backup is aged at all, I use the TM data.


Yes I know what Super Duper is, I use CCC the exact same way you do, I have two partitions on my external drive, one for TC one as a clone of my current drive, but you said you did not trust the cloud for your data recovery....this is not the cloud restoring your data, it is a way to install your OS without media. I see it as different.
 
Since flash storage these days is so cheap they should just integrate an 4gb flash chip with the full restore and then update it, so when you reinstall your mac you already have the latest version of mac os x.
 
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works on Late 2009 iMac 27"

I just recently zeroed out my late 2009 iMac 27", booted to the recovery partition, and was given the option of connecting to the web from Disk Utility and reinstalled Lion while booted on the recovery partition... works like a charm.
 
How slow will the process be though, if you need to download the whole OS again to recover.
Really, I know that they are trying to be forward thinking, but given the speed of internet across a large proportion of the world, I still think they should include a recovery disk/USB
It couldnt be much worse than downloading Lion from the App Store, would it? With that said, I couldnt agree with you more - it is cheaper and easier to provide customers with any form of physical media (disc or USB) to allow an independent recovery...it frankly feels backwards that you CAN'T do a recovery on your own today, but that you could do so for the past 30 years!
 
It couldnt be much worse than downloading Lion from the App Store, would it? With that said, I couldnt agree with you more - it is cheaper and easier to provide customers with any form of physical media (disc or USB) to allow an independent recovery...it frankly feels backwards that you CAN'T do a recovery on your own today, but that you could do so for the past 30 years!

The thing is redistribution - you need to manufacture the stuff and they want to save the cost, and give it back by cheaper software.

And if you are really in need for a full install media, you can create on with the given tools after at least one download from the app store or via a recovery process (see my last post)
 
The in my eyes fatal flaw is that if your Mac crashes - you also don't have an internet connection. Did they implement a way around that? In earlier times you got out the DVD and did a start from disc and you were back in business...
 
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Cool!

OH, wait, why am I excited about a feature that should have been there from day 1? If you download your OS from the internet, the backup should be on the internet anytime I need it. Pretty simple.

Though I have looked this gift-horse in the mouth, it is a nice safety feature that is exciting to see rolled out to my Mac. It always seemed ridiculous that a computer released this year, with Sandy Bridge & Thunderbolt, wouldn't have the ability to do internet recovery. It, after all, is the superior machine to the Mini or Air anyway.

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The in my eyes fatal flaw is that if your Mac crashes - you also don't have an internet connection. Did they implement a way around that? In earlier times you got out the DVD and did a start from disc and you were back in business...

If your mac crashes, what's the next thing you try? Probably a reboot, right? ;-)

When you reboot your computer, and your Mac can't find a valid OS, it should download the appropriate repair files from the internet.

To do this, Apple has to store enough code in the EFI or boot partition to allow connections to the internet, download, and installation.
 
For me this is a terrible solution. Also for people with slow internet connections or small download limits this would not be possible. Plus with a file that size, the download is likely to fail at some point.

I've created a full install usb, but apparently that is frowned upon by apple? I don't see why since I'm not pirating anything, just saving some time and downloads.
All people disagreeing, consider this: high-speed Internet is getting more common everyday, and where there's no ADSL, no cable, there's still 3G cellular data access. So coverage isn't the issue.

However, as the world is heading forward upping or removing transfer limits altogether while lowering prices, North America (especially Canada) goes backwards by freezing or raising rates, placing ever lower caps with shylock-y penalties on over-usage. A gig of data costs carriers around $0.10 to transfer, yet most of them charge between $0.25 an almost $8. We're talking about 250 and 8000% benefit here. An Internet service, specifically tailored for students with an 8 month contract, has advertisements rolled out in all student and paid newspapers alike, advertising it as "The roommate everyone wants", "The perfect roomate", with four or five young people sitting on a couch, surfing the net and enjoying it: in fine print, it's written that this 15MBit/s service is capped... at 60GB a month. I'm sorry, but if I'm in the move of having a roommate, I would basically need ten times this amount, period.

This is especially ridiculous with 3G data plans. They start at a miserable 500MB, and except for grandfathered plans, don't go over a mere 6GB. That's even less than a full DVD ! Caps on all high speed accesses are THE issue.

Plus, Treeman574, you should already know that companies don't want you to avoid wasting time, have a safeguard should your children or dog trash a precious original media. The term says it all, it's precious, irreplaceable. Literally.
 
When you reboot your computer, and your Mac can't find a valid OS, it should download the appropriate repair files from the internet.

To do this, Apple has to store enough code in the EFI or boot partition to allow connections to the internet, download, and installation.

Thats ok then - but what if you don't have an internet connection. I sometimes travel to a place beyond the horizon which has excellent wine and pasta and in the accommodation there is no internet, heck, not even cellular connection. And I go there sometimes to have some quiet place to work (and sun, wine etc.). If the Mac crashes there then I am doomed - or shall out $60+ for a USB thumb drive I guess (or drive to the nearest Apple store which might be about an hour or more away). So at the very basic level you are still screwed without optical drive or some other installation/start up device. Which means shlep another hard drive with you...

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All people disagreeing, consider this: high-speed Internet is getting more common everyday, and where there's no ADSL, no cable, there's still 3G cellular data access. So coverage isn't the issue.

However, as the world is heading forward upping or removing transfer limits altogether while lowering prices, North America (especially Canada) goes backwards by freezing or raising rates, placing ever lower caps with shylock-y penalties on over-usage. A gig of data costs carriers around $0.10 to transfer, yet most of them charge between $0.25 an almost $8. We're talking about 250 and 8000% benefit here. An Internet service, specifically tailored for students with an 8 month contract, has advertisements rolled out in all student and paid newspapers alike, advertising it as "The roommate everyone wants", "The perfect roomate", with four or five young people sitting on a couch, surfing the net and enjoying it: in fine print, it's written that this 15MBit/s service is capped... at 60GB a month. I'm sorry, but if I'm in the move of having a roommate, I would basically need ten times this amount, period.

This is especially ridiculous with 3G data plans. They start at a miserable 500MB, and except for grandfathered plans, don't go over a mere 6GB. That's even less than a full DVD ! Caps on all high speed accesses are THE issue.

Plus, Treeman574, you should already know that companies don't want you to avoid wasting time, have a safeguard should your children or dog trash a precious original media. The term says it all, it's precious, irreplaceable. Literally.

And don't forget moves to cap also the wired internet in your home or at least have you pay a premium if you use too much of the bandwidth... Apple's idea is nice but the service provider are going into the opposite direction. I have yet to see the place that has free internet for all (WiFi), either hotel or city. And if you have internet in a hotel it is painstakingly slow usually.
 
this update (with Thunderbolt update) has killed my MBP 2011..

now i need to replace logic board and all AS and Retail here in Italy are busy :mad:
 
this update (with Thunderbolt update) has killed my MBP 2011..

now i need to replace logic board and all AS and Retail here in Italy are busy :mad:

Have you tried pressing Ctrl-Alt-Shift and the on button for a second and after that turning your machine on again?

Make sure there is nothing plugged into your laptop except for power.
 
How exactly does the re-download take place? I haven't bought lion since my mbp came preloaded with it. How will apple's servers identify me and let me redownload it? My serial number?

Like to find that out as well. Also, it would be nice to get a discount on the thumb drive once you have bought LION for download...
 
I think they actually check whether the machine has previously had lion installed, it can't check against Apple ID, as this isn't asked for.
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The tool just puts the 650MB recovery partition on USB, not the full 4GB installer DMG, which can be manually done.

Lion internet recovery downloads the 650MB recovery partition from the net and boots from it.

The recovery partition asks you for your Apple ID when you try to reinstall on a machine that did not factory ship with Lion. It does this before the download of the Lion installer packages. I presume the check is done with the serial number of the machine.

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How exactly does the re-download take place? I haven't bought lion since my mbp came preloaded with it. How will apple's servers identify me and let me redownload it? My serial number?

From Apple:

Requirements for reinstalling OS X Lion

Reinstalling OS X Lion via Lion Recovery requires broadband access to the Internet via Wi-Fi or an Ethernet connection. OS X Lion is downloaded over the Internet from Apple when Lion Recovery is used for reinstallation.

Lion Recovery requires that DHCP be enabled on your chosen Wi-Fi or ethernet network, If you bought Lion from the Mac App Store, you will be prompted to enter the Apple ID and password you used to purchase Lion.

You are not prompted for your Apple ID if your Mac shipped with Lion.

PS: Lion Internet Recovery downloads Lion Recovery.

It's all here:
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT4718
 
And don't forget moves to cap also the wired internet in your home or at least have you pay a premium if you use too much of the bandwidth... Apple's idea is nice but the service provider are going into the opposite direction. I have yet to see the place that has free internet for all (WiFi), either hotel or city. And if you have internet in a hotel it is painstakingly slow usually.
That's exactly what I wrote in my comment you quoted. :cool:
 
I used this feature 16 hours ago and it worked flawlessly. I replaced the existing, brand new hard drive in my 2011 MBP with an SSD - unformatted, no OS. Restarted holding Cmd-R and went from there. Awesome. No cloning, no external cases to copy over anything. It even restored the Recovery HD partition. Initially on the fence about no disc, but Love it.
 
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