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If I wanted to sell a $50,000 mac pro, I sure as heck wouldn't trade it in to apple for $1000. I already know I couldn't even list it on amazon. I already know that the winners of auctions on ebay don't have to buy when they win, and people from foreign countries that you can't ship to can bid, even after you restrict bidding countries. I know that ebay buyers can pay you, wait for you to ship it, say they never got it, and ebay will refund their money. I would check with pawn shops and local computer stores, knowing they'd be unlikely to buy something so expensive and difficult to turn around. What would that leave me with? I don't know. A tax deductible donation? Scrap it for metal?


Everything that you "already know" is based on the weaknesses of the places you mention. These weaknesses are not natural, logical or eternal, they're man-made, and they ebb and flow over time. The basis of the whole thread was a valid criticism of how ridiculous the trade-in offers were. Good for you that you already know everything to be 100% static.
 
Being ignorant doesn’t support your truth either.
Not saying that all Americans, but it’s fairly common, that you assume that you your rules are predominant in some way. Especially among the not so well travelled.
But if you didn’t know it, Apple is a global company, surprise, surprise ☺️

I've never heard about the company Apple seems to use for trade-ins in your region, as Apple use another way where I live, which I experienced as very good. I never do trade ins with newer devices.
More useful to sell those over trusted places, and not make trade-ins for it. End of story.
The basis for this discussion was that an American working for MKBHD, also an American, found that trade-in offers in the U.S. leave a lot to be desired. Other Americans had similar experiences. I'm not seeing a problem with this line of discussion.

It would have been just as okay if the article would have described the situation in one or more other countries. Feel free to do the same instead of hiding behind vague hints and complaints about perceived dominance. But let's get this straight from you: _I_ am ignorant for mentioning and criticizing Phobio, but _you_ are proud to not know them.

It's great if everything is better in your region.
 
For kicks I checked the Canadian Apple site for the trade-in value of my 2019 MP against a new Studio.

12 core, 1TB SSD and 96GB RAM -> $365.00.

Apple is smoking some pretty heavy sh*t if they think anyone would do this.
 
Never been a fan of a trade-in offer from Apple.

I'm sorry but Apple's own trade-in policy is terrible. Better to venture out and look for a third party. They will pay 2x more as Apple. Also, it's better to sell your product yourself.
As long as you don't switch a lot, the carrier promos can be good, but I would never do the normal carrier or Apple's amounts.
 
The biggest trade in or even resale downfall is you get pennies on the dollar for RAM upgrades. Apple charges you $200+ to go from 8 to 16 or $400 more to go from 16 to 32 but then you get like $20 more for your resale.

So if I want a Mac with X GB Ram, it is better to buy a configuration with built-in X GB RAM available in store than buy a configuration that is cheaper but requires upgrading in the factory? Same for SSD?
 
Most Macs now are not actually upgradable and can't be done in the store, I was using the term "upgrade" generically when you get it built with additional memory/storage. Some Apple stores will stock some additional BTO configurations at launch time, but it is spotty at best. There isn't a difference between those and what you order online.
 
Actually what is the definition of ’base model’?

Models that do not require customization? For example, for M2 series of Mini, right now Apple lists three models on their homepage. The cheapest M2 With 8-256, M2 with 8-512 and M2 Pro with 16-512. Are these three called ‘base model’ or only the m2 with 8-256 is the base model?

Similarly, for Macbook Pro 16" with M2 series chips, they list M2 Pro 16-512, M2 Pro with 16-1TB and M2 Max with 32-1TB. Are all these three ‘base model’ or only the M2 Pro with 16-512 the base model?
 
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Most Macs now are not actually upgradable and can't be done in the store, I was using the term "upgrade" generically when you get it built with additional memory/storage. Some Apple stores will stock some additional BTO configurations at launch time, but it is spotty at best. There isn't a difference between those and what you order online.
Here by ‘upgrade’, I meant BTO.
 
Actually what is the definition of ’base model’?

Models that do not require customization? For example, for M2 series of Mini, right now Apple lists three models on their homepage. The cheapest M2 With 8-256, M2 with 8-512 and M2 Pro with 16-512. Are these three called ‘base model’ or only the m2 with 8-256 is the base model?

Similarly, for Macbook Pro 16" with M2 series chips, they list M2 Pro 16-512, M2 Pro with 16-1TB and M2 Max with 32-1TB. Are all these three ‘base model’ or only the M2 Pro with 16-512 the base model?
Apple usually has a two or three “standard” configs for each model. The lowest “standard” config of each is considered the “base” model. So for the MBA and 13” MBP it is 8/256. For the MB Pros it is 16/512.
 
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There are some upgraded configurations that Apple manufactures and stocks because they know they will be more popular. For instance, you can find a MacBook Air with 16GB of RAM and 1TB SSD, which is not a standard config, in stock at most Apple stores and even resellers, but you very rarely see these configs discounted when the lesser configs are heavily incentivized.
 
Apple usually has a two or three “standard” configs for each model. The lowest “standard” config of each is considered the “base” model. So for the MBA and 13” MBP it is 8/256. For the MB Pros it is 16/512.
Thanks.

In the case of M2 series of MacBook Pro 16" and supposing that everything else is the same, if I want 32GB-1TB, is it better to add an additional 16GB on the M2 Pro with 1 TB or just go for the ‘standard’ M2 Max model with 32GB-1TB? I wonder which one I will lose less money when I trade-in with Apple.
 
Thanks.

In the case of M2 series of MacBook Pro 16" and supposing that everything else is the same, if I want 32GB-1TB, is it better to add an additional 16GB on the M2 Pro with 1 TB or just go for the ‘standard’ M2 Max model with 32GB-1TB? I wonder which one I will lose less money when I trade-in with Apple.
We have established in this thread (and it has been the case for many years) that from an Apple Trade-In value standpoint, you'll get pennies on the dollar for any upgrades (at least in the US with Phobio).
 
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