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Apple has changed since the passing of Steve Jobs, and this is a good example. IMO, Apple is more ruthless on matters like this. And on the product side, this has changed as well. Sure, a lot of newer folks within the last 10-years won’t notice, but if you’re one of the dinosaurs like myself, it’s plain to see. Gone are the days of camping out at Starbucks to show off your new Apple gear, and everyone in the Silicon Valley driving BMW 5 series just to remain relevant. I know because I worked right down the street from Apple HQ in the 80s and 90s. Sure, I’m still an Apple fan boy; so to speak, and I have all the latest gear, but it’s just not the same. The distinction between other competing products is narrowing.

Gibberish. Apple was sued many times for patent infringement during the time of Steve Jobs.
 
"Islam's employment agreement did not automatically assign his patents to the university"

This is the part where I am surprised to hear because the place I work is clearly not the same as this.

The distinction is that many places have a clause in employment agreements that obligate you to assign any inventions to your employer. That’s different than the invention automatically being assigned from inception. That’s the distinction the Court is relying on. The end result could end up being that this professor can sue for patent infringement, but that his former employer can sue HIM to force him to transfer the proceeds and the invention to them.
 
they will when the government seizes their bank accounts, you think just because they are large they are untouchAble? HAHAHAHA...you should call the IRS and say your not paying taxes anymore....

if you are ever lost somewhere, and you owe taxes, the IRS will find you.
 
Yes, but you will always find people here defending Apple for unethical practices like this. Anyone who ever sues Apple is deemed a ”patent troll”, like that Brazilian company that was in operation before Steve Jobs was even in middle school and registered/marketed iPhone before such a thing existed in the US, they were not spared the fury of the blind fandom.

Apple, just pay the money. I find ridiculous that they charge companies for using their Lighting Connector based on a 20+ year old technology but do not want to pay for the use of 5G technology and sensors they benefit from, need, and do not own.
1. Cisco was the trademark owner of iPhone and they provided Apple with it in a deal with their CEO.
2. Just like USB the Lighting Connector is licensed for anyone who wants to using it in their devices.
3. Just like LG and Motorola, Apple purchases the 5G (and previous generation tech) modems from IC manufacturers but for some reason Qualcomm feels they need to charge Apple directly (something they don't do to others) because they are the top seller. Nokia tried the same thing with their portion of the 3G tech and failed.
 
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"UM refused to confirm Islam’s ownership of his inventions, noting the expenditure of medical school funds to support the cost of Islam’s space, time required to process Islam’s appointment to the medical school, and “medical school faculty partners who have helped springboard ideas.” "


The lawsuit will continue, but the ownership and validity of the patents in question are still indeterminate and subject to adjudication.

The ruling does not say whether the patents are valid or if the plaintiff actually owns the patents in question...just that the lawsuit can continue while those other issues are in flight. So all of you guys dumping on Apple, well, nothing will stop you, so go for it.
 
I wish I knew more about this sort of thing. Like, if I could patent a cake with frosting. Does that mean that anyone else cannot make a cake with frosting even if they create it with completely different ingredients or does my patent only cover the ingredients I used to make the cake with frosting? And also, if I just have a book of patents of such things but never actually bake and sell my own cakes with frosting, why should I be allowed to monopolize the idea if I am nothing more than a patent troll? I think Apple is fighting a troll more than avoiding paying a fee. However, in the grand scheme of things, they probably know they will be replacing any tech they are being sued for with another tech that can achieve the same results and not be infringing so they are probably just buying time here.
 
There are no fines in patent infringement cases. If found to have infringed, Apple would have to pay damages to the patent owner in the form of lost profits (if applicable) or a reasonable royalty.
Which is messed up if you think about it. If the stole (not saying the did) then they should be forced to pay a magnitude or four more than they made. If I was on the jury reasonable would be 10 times MSRP.

Of course, I’m also biased having just spent two months filling out paperwork for YouTube to pull a video where someone just pointed a camera at a tv playing my content. Then they dragged out the negotiations just long enough to maximize their revenue. Based on view count they probably made $5k off my work. If I want that money I have to go to court and prove it again. Since they are not based in the US I’m likely not going to get anything.

But if you say the word 'yesterday' with an English accent you get a copywrite strike at upload...
 
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The distinction is that many places have a clause in employment agreements that obligate you to assign any inventions to your employer. That’s different than the invention automatically being assigned from inception. That’s the distinction the Court is relying on. The end result could end up being that this professor can sue for patent infringement, but that his former employer can sue HIM to force him to transfer the proceeds and the invention to them.
It really all comes down to the employment agreements where a lot of folks don't read carefully. :eek:
 
I had a friend that invested a lot of money into a web-based photo utilizing startup. And then he hired a lawyer to do patent research and discovered that there was a handful of patents, held by Amazon et al., that would have made it impossible for his idea to work without infringing. The business immediately folded.
 
It bothers me that people can own patents purely for the purpose of licensing them. Patent owners should be required to make product out of them or sell them off.
why does it bother you, apple literally does this on the daily and you don’t even know it, why do you think they want to push their lightning as long as they can and not universally adopt USB C for example? They make money licensing their patents, It’s too common to buy a third party accessory that does not pay up to Apple who at the end up black listing said accessory as “harmful to the iphone“
 
I wish I knew more about this sort of thing. Like, if I could patent a cake with frosting. Does that mean that anyone else cannot make a cake with frosting even if they create it with completely different ingredients or does my patent only cover the ingredients I used to make the cake with frosting?
Typically a patent covers a process (or a design patent might cover the actual look/ "trade dress" of your cake).

Patents are usually written with several claims going from broad to specific, and the patent holder will usually argue as broadly as they can get away with - but a lot of those broad claims will get struck down by prior art. So no patenting the concept of a dessert bread with edible decorations. Thats unfortunately usually decided once it goes to court.

Having a patent does not guarantee there isn't prior art that was not disclosed or was otherwise missed initially.

(And in this case, the ownership of the patent itself is in question.)
And also, if I just have a book of patents of such things but never actually bake and sell my own cakes with frosting, why should I be allowed to monopolize the idea if I am nothing more than a patent troll?
There's certainly a case to be made that you should actually have to figure out a method for solving a problem in order to have a patent, but patents are there to defend the use of the idea, not a market.

Some courts have argued that an idea which is not being used has considerably less justification in terms of declared damages.

I think Apple is fighting a troll more than avoiding paying a fee. However, in the grand scheme of things, they probably know they will be replacing any tech they are being sued for with another tech that can achieve the same results and not be infringing so they are probably just buying time here.

The original patent system was made to encourage disclosure of trade secrets for the public good, by granting a time-limited monopoly in return for properly documenting the trade method.

Over time it has grown (or depending on your point of view, warped) into a defense of research for ideas which would not work as trade secrets. An example would be the famous Amazon "one click" patent - this could not be a trade secret since anyone looking at the system would know how it works. This also came about when the patent system expanded to support business methods as being patentable, leading to a influx of "...on the internet" patents where the only difference between the common method and new system was that a web site was involved rather than a physical store front.

Biotech firms also have abused "11th hour patents", where they find some aspect of the original medication which was not covered by the original patents, so that they can patent that and extend their protection. One famous example was a firm that in the 11th hour patented the chemical reaction that the medication made once it was inside the body.
 
I think the key here is Apple thought they belonged to the university - who also seem to have thought they belonged to them.
It is usual when you work for someone that anything you do on their time and for their money, belongs to them but these patents are presumably owned by a company and are independent of the individual.
So, that's been defined now and Apple will have to negotiate a settlement.
There was no stealing and no deliberate infringement as they were dealing with the university who they thought had ownership.
 
Unless its a patent troll with no intention to make a product.
There are of course edge cases. The simplest one being: you invent something but don't have the financial means to actually put it in production...
 
It is usual when you work for someone that anything you do on their time and for their money, belongs to them but these patents are presumably owned by a company and are independent of the individual.

Islam was the inventor, however by using University resources they are the owner according to the bylaws, Islam however assigned the patents to his company regardless.

This part is particularly damning in that respect:

In 2013, Dr. Islam requested that UM’s Office of Technology Trans-fer (“OTT”) confirm Dr. Islam’s ownership of his inventions. OTT denied the request, noting the expenditure of medical school funds to support the cost of Dr. Islam’s space and administrative time required to process Dr. Islam’s ap-pointment to the CVC. J.A. 895. In internal communica-tions, UM also noted that UM provided “medical school faculty partners who have helped springboard ideas with him.” J.A. 885. After a number of communications, various officials at UM—including the Director of Licensing at OTT, the Executive Director of OTT, an Associate Dean at the Engineering School, and the University’s Director of Li-censing—reiterated that they considered UM to be the owner of the patents and noted that Dr. Islam and Omni considered Omni to be the owner of the patents. Dr. Islam was notified of a formal appeals process to challenge UM’s determination of its ownership, but he did not pursue that appeal process.


So, that's been defined now and Apple will have to negotiate a settlement.

The decision is actually narrower than that.
This is an affirmation of a decision on a motion to dismiss for lack of standing. Apple argues that Islam can't have standing because he doesn't own the patent, and that the reason that he doesn't own the patents is the language in the universities bylaws.
More specifically the sentence "shall be the property of the University".

The court then decided that "shall be the property of the University" doesn't effectuate an automatic assignment of title to the university and that, at most, it is a statement of a future intention to assign the patents.
The underlying reasoning for this interpretation seems a bit surprising and inconsistent to me, but that's beside the point.

The court then affirms the prior decision to deny the motion to dismiss with the logic that Islam has standing, or rather, that the lack of standing isn't properly proven. Throughout the opinion they go out of their way to not answer any of the bigger questions.

This doesn't decide who owns the patents, merely that there is insufficient grounds for dismissal.
Without getting into the actual validity of the patent, or the question on if and how Apple infringed on the patent, the entire matter on who owns the patent is in and of itself enough ammunition to go to trial instead of settling.

Even if one would want to fully embrace the conclusion in the opinion as an immutable element in the actual trial (and one really shouldn't), all it says is that the ownership didn't automatically transfer to the university and thus, that it needs a specific act to transfer over.
Personally I'd argue that the events in 2013 that are described above, could suffice.
But even if it doesn't, on top of all the arguments available to make this case, the university could simply start a case against Islam/Omni, essentially be Apple's stalking horse, and that alone could halt this trial pending outcome of the case brought by the university.
 
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