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Apple Car Development Speeds Up, 2019 Launch Date Targeted

McGiord said:
However if Jony doesn't like hatchbacks you will be longing for it for decades...
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Interestingly Jony Ive owns Bentley Brooklands (One white and one black... what a surprise), Aluminum Aston Martin Vanquish, and a Land Rover, so if you combine those cars, maybe thats your design. Surely possible to have some hatchbackish vehicle. And it may become more british than anything else I imagine.
 
nozebleed said:
when will they start factoring in coal plants as emissions, since they need to be charged? sorry for your feel good but electric cars have more of a "carbon footprint" than the gasoline engine. i guess we'll know when it isnt politically advantageous anymore...
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I think you really miss the point here. There is nothing to do with carbon footprint. Gasoline will dry up sooner or later. It causes dirty pollution to both air and water. It is arguably expensive source of energy.

One day, every car and I mean EVERY single one of them MUST be electric.

Btw, cars can be charged by Solar-cell electric plants. It is the matter of costs consumers willing to pay. It is just more expensive NOW. In the near future, it won't. So, for the carbon footprint sake, electric cars is Zero if u are willing to pay.

Pls Apple. Make a better car. People in car industry is so lazy. The innovation is minimal. They seem to only compete for faster cuter or cheaper cars.

I wish Apple add to the real competition to the car industry.
I bought a Bmw this year. From the interface standpoint, there is very few different from the cars I bought 5 and 10 years ago.

Here are some simple things I wish Apple will do.

1. Get ret of the car keys. If u need it in 2020, it is a total failure. With so many technology we have today. Face / finger print / movement recognition
I just hate to carry car keys. And bmw keys is huge and ugly. It can be easily stolen also. The car should recognize the driver. Period.
When I walk to the car, it should recognize me. It should start to adjust the seat when I approach the driver side of the car.

2. Car seat. Pls. Think more.

3. Wind shield. Come on. It should be much much better than this.

4. Color coating technology.

5. Glass windows

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100. Rear mirror

... There are so many components about cars that have not been carefully designed using the best technology possible like we did with the phone industry.

I am happy to see Apple coming into cars.
 
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Yuthopia said:
I think you really miss the point here. There is nothing to do with carbon footprint. Gasoline will dry up sooner or later. It causes dirty pollution to both air and water. It is arguably expensive source of energy.

One day, every car and I mean EVERY single one of them MUST be electric.

Btw, cars can be charged by Solar-cell electric plants. It is the matter of costs consumers willing to pay. It is just more expensive NOW. In the near future, it won't. So, for the carbon footprint sake, electric cars is Zero if u are willing to pay.
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sure, and how to produce the solar panels components? water based turbines? and to produce the turbines? and so on...unless the whole chain is "clean" there may always be some environmental impact

Yuthopia said:
Pls Apple. Make a better car. People in car industry is so lazy. The innovation is minimal. They seem to only compete for faster cuter or cheaper cars.

I wish Apple add to the real competition to the car industry.
I bought a Bmw this year. From the interface standpoint, there is very few different from the cars I bought 5 and 10 years ago.

Here are some simple things I wish Apple will do.

1. Get ret of the car keys. If u need it in 2020, it is a total failure. With so many technology we have today. Face / finger print / movement recognition
I just hate to carry car keys. And bmw keys is huge and ugly. It can be easily stolen also. The car should recognize the driver. Period.
When I walk to the car, it should recognize me. It should start to adjust the seat when I approach the driver side of the car.

2. Car seat. Pls. Think more.

3. Wind shield. Come on. It should be much much better than this.

4. Color coating technology.

5. Glass windows

...

100. Rear mirror

... There are so many components about cars that have not been carefully designed using the best technology possible like we did with the phone industry.

I am happy to see Apple coming into cars.
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There are plenty of keyless entry and ignition solutions out there in the market.
The child car seats, what about them? You want an option for the seats to be a baby seat? toddler?
There are some child boosters already incorporated in the seats, for kids that don't need car seats but still need a booster.
Different drivers adjusting seats, radio, pedals, steering wheel and mirrors exists since almost a decade ago, not all brands and models have it. It worked either with the keyfob or a button on the door.
What do you mean by color coating technology?
Glass windows- checked!
What about the windshield? what is wrong with it?
rear view mirrors what about them? there are some camera solutions out there still not so widespread though.

Surely it will be nice if a disruptive company gets into the game and shakes the industry for the benefit of all, but I fail to see or understand some of your points, please elaborate on them, thanks
 
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Rightofthepeople said:
Look, I am no enviro-nazi but I do care for the environment. I once believed as you do, but having done some research I can tell you now that EVs are definitely cleaner than ICE cars. When you analyze the so called "well to wheels" pollution there is no contest. First of all, only half of our electricity is generated using coal, and that number will be gradually declining over the next 25 years. Also, when comparing that to the pollutin generated by ICE cars you have to remember the gas those cars burn doesn't magically appear in the pumps. It has to be extracted as oil from the ground (pollution), then refined into various products (pollution), then transported to the gas station (pollution).
Additionally, while much of our oil still comes from the Middle East (i.e., people who hate us and fund terrorists who want to kill us), ALL of our electricity is generated domestically by American workers in American power plants. So one day, when we all drive EVs, we can give the Middle East the middle finger. Something feels very good to me about that.
Finally, electric motors are far more energy efficient than internal combustion engines (ICE) and far less likely to break down. Maintenance on EVs is much less than on ICE cars, and electricity is a whole lot cheaper than gas on a cost per mile basis. To put it in perspective for you, I have a Nissan Leaf that we drive 1000 miles a month and my power cost is $25 per month. I don't know any ICE cars that can go 1000 miles on $25 worth of gas.
Do your research, as I have, and you will see that EVs are the wave of the future. I could care less if Apple builds a car, but EVs are here to stay and that's a good thing.
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Want to add into the account that many other regions of the world have already started moving towards more cleaner energy production than Coal.

For example in Ontario: as of Sept 25th 2015, most of our energy is "clean burning".
57% Nuclear
24% HydroElectric
12% GAS
7% Wind and tiny solar.

While there are other risk factors involved with Nuclear energy, the sheer carbon footprint of Ontario's energy output is significantly lower than automotive use of CO2s. Even if you put everyone onto the energy grid for their car's energy production, it would still be astronomically cleaner, since energy created en-bulk is far cheaper than everyone running their own ICE.
 
Yuthopia said:
1. Get ret of the car keys. If u need it in 2020, it is a total failure. With so many technology we have today. Face / finger print / movement recognition
I just hate to carry car keys. And bmw keys is huge and ugly. It can be easily stolen also. The car should recognize the driver. Period.
When I walk to the car, it should recognize me. It should start to adjust the seat when I approach the driver side of the car.
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And if you want to loan your car to someone how would you do that? A car shouldn't be like a cellphone that is only intended for one owner, current keyless entry systems are fine.
 
mrkramer said:
And if you want to loan your car to someone how would you do that? A car shouldn't be like a cellphone that is only intended for one owner, current keyless entry systems are fine.
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just like my iphone, I allow 2 persons to open it. The car should recognize the owner just like the dogs do. And it should recognize the owner's friends also. Seriously, It is just simple ai technology. Car is huge. It should be able to process this Simple AI trick.
Keyless entry means you still need to carry a large remote key in your pocket, right? Well, I just don't like it very much. Just my personal thing I guess.
 
Yuthopia said:
just like my iphone, I allow 2 persons to open it. The car should recognize the owner just like the dogs do. And it should recognize the owner's friends also.
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I guess, still seems like a lot more trouble than just carrying around the remote and being able to hand it to someone. It gets even worse if you have to go through all that trouble if you are somewhere you want to use Valet parking.
 
McGiord said:
There are plenty of keyless entry and ignition solutions out there in the market.
The child car seats, what about them? You want an option for the seats to be a baby seat? toddler?
There are some child boosters already incorporated in the seats, for kids that don't need car seats but still need a booster.
Different drivers adjusting seats, radio, pedals, steering wheel and mirrors exists since almost a decade ago, not all brands and models have it. It worked either with the keyfob or a button on the door.
What do you mean by color coating technology?
Glass windows- checked!
What about the windshield? what is wrong with it?
rear view mirrors what about them? there are some camera solutions out there still not so widespread though.

Surely it will be nice if a disruptive company gets into the game and shakes the industry for the benefit of all, but I fail to see or understand some of your points, please elaborate on them, thanks
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1. Buy keyless, I mean no remote..nothing at all. Just Pure AI recognition and Biometric. Just like dogs can remember owners and their friends. We should be at that level now. Start with fingerprint would be nice. Just like iphone home bottom. It is simple. Car industry is just too lazy (or cost conscious) or lack of great hunan interface engineers I guess.

2. Seats. I just think about some kind of high tech seat that adjust to each personal preference with no gap on both side of the seat please. It is not minimalist. And show how lazy and cost-conscious the car industry.

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Glass windows..
I try to say.. Pls do something new about it. It should be adjustable to 50 shades or able to total block the inside view for privacy. Or allow more light in when drive at night.

My point is .. Human Interface in Auto industry have not changed much since the last 10 years. Maybe, it is the best we can do already. I just hope it is not.
 
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McGiord said:
There are plenty of keyless entry and ignition solutions out there in the market.
The child car seats, what about them? You want an option for the seats to be a baby seat? toddler?
There are some child boosters already incorporated in the seats, for kids that don't need car seats but still need a booster.
Different drivers adjusting seats, radio, pedals, steering wheel and mirrors exists since almost a decade ago, not all brands and models have it. It worked either with the keyfob or a button on the door.
What do you mean by color coating technology?
Glass windows- checked!
What about the windshield? what is wrong with it?
rear view mirrors what about them? there are some camera solutions out there still not so widespread though.

Surely it will be nice if a disruptive company gets into the game and shakes the industry for the benefit of all, but I fail to see or understand some of your points, please elaborate on them, thanks
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I know the original Model X concept didn't have rear view mirrors, but I believe that using cameras for mirrors isn't actually legal in the US.

Yuthopia said:
1. Buy keyless, I mean no remote..nothing at all. Just Pure AI recognition and Biometric. Just like dogs can remember owners and their friends. We should be at that level now. Start with fingerprint would be nice. Just like iphone home bottom. It is simple. Car industry is just too lazy (or cost conscious) or lack of great hunan interface engineers I guess.

2. Seats.
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How much power would be used by something like AI recognition and Biometrics? Seems like it would use more power to keep that stuff awake versus simple keyfob detection.
 
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Yuthopia said:
1. Buy keyless, I mean no remote..nothing at all. Just Pure AI recognition and Biometric. Just like dogs can remember owners and their friends. We should be at that level now. Start with fingerprint would be nice. Just like iphone home bottom. It is simple. Car industry is just too lazy (or cost conscious) or lack of great hunan interface engineers I guess.

2. Seats. I just think about some kind of high tech seat that adjust to each personal preference with no gap on both side of the seat please. It is not minimalist. And show how lazy and cost-conscious the car industry.

..
Glass windows..
I try to say.. Pls do something new about it. It should be adjustable to 50 shades or able to total block the inside view for privacy. Or allow more light in when drive at night.

My point is .. Human Interface in Auto industry have not changed much since the last 10 years. Maybe, it is the best we can do already. I just hope it is not.
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There are solutions already available for almost each one of your proposals,they are not massively adopted though.
You can open/lock your car with an App in your iPhone, there you have the touchId.
Seats with many features like massaging, cooling, heating, several adjustments for lumbar support and stiffness. What you described is more like one of those overpriced and expensive sleep number mattresses, how much more are you willing to it for it?
Laminated glass panels with adjustable light thru are here already in some Mercedes and the glas panel only as I recalled it costs around 3000 euros for a single pane roof, you have to add the controller and other costs to it.


HMI in the auto industry changed significantly in the last 10 years.
maybe the brands and models you are used to see haven't, but generalizing the whole industry is not accurate.
What are your preferred car brands and models?
There are many areas of opportunities and indeed the auto industry is not as fast as the consumers electronics industry, but saying that no changes in the last 10 years isn't right.
 
mrkramer said:
I guess, still seems like a lot more trouble than just carrying around the remote and being able to hand it to someone. It gets even worse if you have to go through all that trouble if you are somewhere you want to use Valet parking.
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Well.. I just think about future electric car in the next 5-10 years, where it can drive without human in it. Where I can "call" my car and tell it to pick me up in the front.
Hope my car can do that before I die.:)

danny_w said:
And what if your battery dies, then what? Without a key how are you going to get in?
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What if u lost the key. Same thing.
:).
 
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McGiord said:
There are solutions already available for almost each one of your proposals,they are not massively adopted though.
You can open/lock your car with an App in your iPhone, there you have the touchId.
Seats with many features like massaging, cooling, heating, several adjustments for lumbar support and stiffness. What you described is more like one of those overpriced and expensive sleep number mattresses, how much more are you willing to it for it?
Laminated glass panels with adjustable light thru are here already in some Mercedes and the glas panel only as I recalled it costs around 3000 euros for a single pane roof, you have to add the controller and other costs to it.


HMI in the auto industry changed significantly in the last 10 years.
maybe the brands and models you are used to see haven't, but generalizing the whole industry is not accurate.
What are your preferred car brands and models?
There are many areas of opportunities and indeed the auto industry is not as fast as the consumers electronics industry, but saying that no changes in the last 10 years isn't right.
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I do agree. There are some minor changes in some unpopular cars. And they mostly are so expensive.

I do believe the cost is why we have no features like that.

Many would feel it is not necessary and don't want to pay for it.

Again, it is a matter of costs though. If Apple ask for 200 euro for fingerprint scan, A few would want it. If for 20 euro, I want one. If apple sell 100,000 phones, the fingerprint scan would be very expensive. But when it can sell to 100 millions, it becomes cheap technology. Same with cars, if glass panel cost just an extra 3-500 euro, I want one. If they can sell 100 million panels, the cost may be possible.

mrkramer said:
A battery is far more likely to die than a key is to get lost. Also most people have more than one key for their car so if one gets lost they are still ok.
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That is our point of difference I guess. I never have die-battery situation in my last 3 cars and 10 years. But I lost (forget) my car key almost Every month.

In fact, maybe every 2 weeks :(
 
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Yuthopia said:
That is our point of difference I guess. I never have die-battery situation in my last 3 cars and 10 years. But I lost (forget) my car key almost Every month.

In fact, maybe every 2 weeks :(
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Just curious, do you leave your house keys with your car keys when you forget them?

Even in cars like Tesla where there is a small battery used to trip the contactor, and if it dies the whole car is dead and you have to jump through hoops to get the hood open and the battery jumped.
 
diamond.g said:
Just curious, do you leave your house keys with your car keys when you forget them?

Even in cars like Tesla where there is a small battery used to trip the contactor, and if it dies the whole car is dead and you have to jump through hoops to get the hood open and the battery jumped.
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I don't have house key (I use electronic lock, which open with touch code). But I do carry wallet almost all the time.
I guess simple solution is to have small rfid car key. So, it can be inserted into wallet. Anyway, I would prefer biometric way, if possible.
 
Yuthopia said:
I don't have house key (I use electronic lock, which open with touch code). But I do carry wallet almost all the time.
I guess simple solution is to have small rfid car key. So, it can be inserted into wallet. Anyway, I would prefer biometric way, if possible.
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From what I am reading the Model X is going to use Bluetooth to auto open the doors as you approach. Sounds neat but kinda expensive to fix.
 
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