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Are yall serious? The Apple Card has a $0 annual fee. The gold card has a $325 annual fee. The platinum card has a $695 annual fee. These cards aren’t even on the same playing field simply because of that. You cannot compare these cards against each other.

Secondly, the Amex gold and plat cards are charge cards. There is no credit limit as you are expected to pay off the balance in full each month. The Apple Card is a credit card.

Third, the Amex cards are coupon cards. Sure, you can make back the annual fee and then some, but nobody has gotten rich off of credit card points. Plus, the amount of time it takes to claim the deals and to remember to shop at the places is a hassle. AppleCard just works.

Fincial literacy is something schools need to teach. You cannot compare two different fincial products in different categories together.

Comparing the AppleCard to the Amex cash back card would be a more fair playing field.

Or if you are suggesting that Apple needs to come out with a premium Apple Card Titanium to compete with a gold or plat, fine.

Amex gold has a HEFTY fee though. Compared to no fee cards, 2% back when using Apple Pay is decent. Now that Apple Pay can work outside of Safari it increases opportunity for 2% back and most retailers accept it.

I think their missed opportunity is a Fee based card with better rewards. Amex Gold and up have fees starting at like $300-$600 a year. However, Amex Blue cash Preferred is $99 and gives you 6% at grocery stores and streaming subscriptions, 3% on gas, transit, parking, and 1% everything else. I make that fee back fast.

There are not really any great dining cards out there... throw out a $99/year falvor of Apple Card with 6% on dining and 5% on Apple purchases. Maybe a gas or grocery teir for 3%, and keep 2% on all other Apple Pay and 1% on the rest.

Considering Goldman wants to break up, I don't see any major changes occurring until Apple finds a different partner which doesn't sound like it's been going well....

Amex fees usually pay for themselves if you use all the benefits.
 
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Ah yes. Huge controversy. People who are highly satisfied with Apple products say they are highly satisfied with Apple products when asked how satisfied they are with Apple products.

How will we ever account for that madness?!?!? :D

:rolleyes:

I say SOME of this is simply a popularity contest and you interpret that as if it's some HUGE controversy? Seriously??!!

I was simply pointing out that fanboys of a particular company (and Apple has loads of them!) tend to overrate/exaggerate the positives of that company’s products and/or underrate/downplay the negatives which can skew results in studies like this JDP report.

The only "madness" here seems to be your overblown response. No, I wasn't suggesting this is a huge controversy. Geez.
 
:rolleyes:

I say SOME of this is simply a popularity contest and you interpret that as if it's some HUGE controversy? Seriously??!!

I was simply pointing out that fanboys of a particular company (and Apple has loads of them!) tend to overrate/exaggerate the positives of that company’s products and/or underrate/downplay the negatives which can skew results in studies like this JDP report.

The only "madness" here seems to be your overblown response. No, I wasn't suggesting this is a huge controversy. Geez.
Talk about overreaction! I just thought it was funny. Hence the "Big Grin". But you go on calling people names for liking things.
 
I'm not sure what the United States did to upset you so much.
Not much. And neither am I upset.

Just disagreeing with some of their policies and politics. Perplexed about the defeatism with which you stated nothing could be done about payment card fees. And, admittedly, got snarky about it. On the flip side, the country also some policies and laws that I very much agree with - much more than with continental European (let alone EU) countries.

🙂

Side note: I am using a card that provides cashback day-to-day. And I chose it (among “free“ cards) based on that the cashback benefits that benefit me most. And I certainly would be happy if I could get the Apple Card.

That said, I believe it’s good for the overall retail economy if payment card (and merchant acceptance) fees are as low as possible - that is, if cost-efficient payment systems exist. High bonus/cashback benefits indicate the contrary: consumers pay more.
 
Not much. And neither am I upset.

Just disagreeing with some of their policies and politics. Perplexed about the defeatism with which you stated nothing could be done about payment card fees. And, admittedly, got snarky about it. On the flip side, the country also some policies and laws that I very much agree with - much more than with continental European (let alone EU) countries.

🙂

Side note: I am using a card that provides cashback day-to-day. And I chose it (among “free“ cards) based on that the cashback benefits that benefit me most. And I certainly would be happy if I could get the Apple Card.

That said, I believe it’s good for the overall retail economy if payment card (and merchant acceptance) fees are as low as possible - that is, if cost-efficient payment systems exist. High bonus/cashback benefits indicate the contrary: consumers pay more.
Oh, I agree with you. I'm not saying nothing can ever be done about it, I'm saying nothing is currently being done about it. That doesn't mean I wouldn't vote for comprehensive reform if given the option. :)
 
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I get 100% free purchases with the National Public Data Card. Only drawback is that I have to use it at places that don’t ID.
 
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I've said it before, but if Apple can improve the wallet so it knows the cards and the card benefits and automatically picks the best card for a purchase, it would be amazing. e.g. It would know the Apple Card for Apple products from Apple. Or the Amex Platinum for Uber or Disney+ - since it gives cash back monthly for those. Or Discover for whatever their quarterly special is. etc.

That's an excellent idea! However, I don't think Goldman Sachs — or whoever takes over for them once they leave — would allow that.
 
I don’t feel the perks are there however. 1% is pretty basic.
The customer service is excellent. And it's 3% for Apple purchases, 2% for Apple Pay, 1% for everything else. And you can automatically send your cash back straight to Apple's savings account. On top of that, Apple Card does not have any fees, including no annual fees, over-the-limit fees, foreign-transaction fees, or late fees.
 
What do you mean you don't get the extended warranty on purchases? If I buy a TV with my Amex Gold card, I get a 12 month extended warranty at the end of the manufacturers warranty, as long as the warranty offered is less than five years in length. The Amex extended warranty offers the same protections as the original manufacturer's warranty as well.
The member I was responding to was referencing an Amex card that does not have the extended warranty protection.
 
You don’t need a credit card to get extended warranty. You just need to live in a country where the law makers are more concerned about consumer rights than corporate profits.
Cool, guess I’ll just pack up my whole
life and move to *checks map* literally nowhere. Any country with consumer protection laws you would have to make a claim and have the manufacturer approve it after the initial warranty is up.
 
Amex fees usually pay for themselves if you use all the benefits.
Reread. They’re coupon cards. It takes effort and time to make sure you make back the fees.

It’s still not a fair comparison either. They’re two completely different products. Compare the AppleCard to the Amex Blue Cash Back. It also has no annual fee and is an actual credit card and not a charge back card.
 
Reread. They’re coupon cards. It takes effort and time to make sure you make back the fees.

It’s still not a fair comparison either. They’re two completely different products. Compare the AppleCard to the Amex Blue Cash Back. It also has no annual fee and is an actual credit card and not a charge back card.
Not to butt in here or anything --

If I'm making a purchase, I trust AMEX to backup the purchase more than I would Goldman Sachs. This is one area where the cards shouldn't be different, even with the annual fee difference. Goldman's customer service is terrible on the Apple Card.

Also, while there are definitely "drip fed" perks on the Platinum, the airport lounges part aren't a "coupon." Priority Pass select is worth over $500, and so are the Centurion Lounges, nor are the $200 hotel credit, the $199 Clear Plus credit, or the $200 airline credit. These aren't drip fed perks.

Between the above, the "drip fed perks" and the trip delay/cancellation/return period (which are worth the fee by themselves) -- the card is a way better value for a traveler than the Apple Card is.

There's also this belief that the Platinum can't have a month-to-month balance on it. That is no longer the case. You can carry a balance over time with interest on the Gold, Green, and Plat now.
 
It was cool when it came out in 2019 but today it's been outclassed by so many other cards with better rewards like Fidelity 2%, amex gold and plat, etc.
no it hasn’t lol.

those cards were around when Apple Card came out. it’s not like they’re new. their rewards / fees have changed since.

different cards, different purposes. they can all exist.

Apple Card experience, rewards, simplicity etc seem to be working well for a lot of folks.

to each their own.
 
Good to hear this but still waiting for Apple Card to be available outside US
 
I use various cards, and make purchases based on which card offers the most in rewards, I do have Apple Card as well and have used it for Apple Store purchases for 3% Cashback and 12 months of no interest payments. I like the way it’s integrated into the wallet as well.
 
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$250 per year, but I get all of that back and then some in credits from different services I use (Uber, dining, etc). Therefore, it costs me $0 out of pocket each year. I also end up getting around $1000 back in rewards each year. The 4x points they offer on dining and supermarkets is really nice. The Apple Card seems like a pretty good card as well, I'm definitely not knocking it.
They are increasing the fee to $325 but the $84 in Dunkin' credits will offset that and you end up "making" money with the additional $100 Resy credit.
 
They are increasing the fee to $325 but the $84 in Dunkin' credits will offset that and you end up "making" money with the additional $100 Resy credit.
See, you get it. People think it's just $250 or $325 (next year) out the window. No, you get this money back and then some with the credits they offer each year.
 
See, you get it. People think it's just $250 or $325 (next year) out the window. No, you get this money back and then some with the credits they offer each year.
Plus: you pay fees and a higher price on whatever you buy because the shop has to cover the expenses to the credit card company. The only winner is the credit card companies.
 
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